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Portland [OR]tavern employee foils an early-morning robbery ['Being Armed' success story]
OregonLive ^ | November 16, 2011 | Tom Hallman, Jr.

Posted on 11/18/2011 8:42:00 AM PST by QT3.14

A 30-year-old man who allegedly tried to rob a Southeast Portland bar with a sawed-off shotgun early this morning got far more than he bargained for when he ran into an employee who goes by the nickname "Stub."

Instead of leaving with cash, the man was hauled off in an ambulance.

(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: beararms; robbery
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Amazed (then again maybe not] that other news sources referred to the shotgun as a rifle.

1 posted on 11/18/2011 8:42:04 AM PST by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14
Charged: David Moore


2 posted on 11/18/2011 8:43:17 AM PST by QT3.14 (Life is not a dress rehearsal - It is Showtime!!)
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To: QT3.14

I don’t think Oregon has a CCL. Verrrrry lib state. Hope Stubb isn’t the new focus of police attention.


3 posted on 11/18/2011 8:46:49 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: QT3.14

Multiple non-life threatening shots to the body = poor shooting?


4 posted on 11/18/2011 8:47:15 AM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: QT3.14

Another man arrested for robbing while black.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 8:49:38 AM PST by Venturer
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To: downtownconservative

Oregon has CCL....just no reciprocity....but, yes, IT IS VERY LIB, especially in Portland.


6 posted on 11/18/2011 8:50:37 AM PST by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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Let's bring this Freepathon
Wonder what it said
To the TAIL end!

7 posted on 11/18/2011 8:50:40 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

“Multiple non-life threatening shots to the body = poor shooting?”

I am going to guess...9mm. The right choice for when you want to use up all of your ammunition......


8 posted on 11/18/2011 8:51:17 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: goodnesswins

Glad to hear it! Yeah, I could not live there. It’s painful just to visit!


9 posted on 11/18/2011 8:53:15 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Truth is a Weapon

I would say that under stress he did well, the perp was carried away not him. But if it had been me, I have CC for 12 years the perp would have been pronounced dead at scene. practice practice practice.


10 posted on 11/18/2011 8:55:57 AM PST by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: downtownconservative

Before MN. had “shall issue”, a business owner or worker could obtain a pistol permit from county sheriff’s office.
Perhaps this was the case here.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 8:56:28 AM PST by Fireone (Heating the tar and readying the feathers.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

It might just be that ‘Stubbs” didn’t want to kill anybody that night.


12 posted on 11/18/2011 8:56:46 AM PST by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: buffaloguy
...Multiple non-life threatening shots to the body...

Other news links say he was hit in the legs.

13 posted on 11/18/2011 8:57:38 AM PST by QT3.14 (Life is not a dress rehearsal - It is Showtime!!)
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To: Venturer

“Another man arrested for robbing while black.”

VERY unusual.

(snort!)


14 posted on 11/18/2011 8:58:15 AM PST by Tigerized (Occupy Wall Street? Go find the real culprits in the Capitol Building...)
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To: downtownconservative

Explains why they have been featured in the recent OWS protests.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 9:00:35 AM PST by QT3.14 (Life is not a dress rehearsal - It is Showtime!!)
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To: downtownconservative

Actually Oregon has a pretty good CCL. Oregon is a “shall issue” state that prohibits local gun ordinances that conflict with state law. We can carry just about anywhere except,(if I recall correctly), police stations and courthouses.

In my home town of Newberg, we recently had a controversy over the local school district’s policy of prohibiting carrying of concealed handguns. They were forced to change the policy when our state rep pointing out that the prohibition policy was illegal under state law.

Stubb is likely on solid ground as far as criminal law. As someone else pointed out, he is likely in more jeopardy from a civil lawsuit.


16 posted on 11/18/2011 9:25:07 AM PST by Busywhiskers ("Once you have wrestled, everything else in life is easy" -Dan Gable)
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To: boomop1

Anytime you’re confronted by armed man and walk away is a great day. All the rest is nit picking. Putting the perp down should have been his primary objective and he did.

A lot of folks think simply having a gun means you’ll be prepared to use it. Shooting people while under stress is not the easiest thing in the world to do. Pistol accuracy—even as close as 8 or 10 feet—can only be achieved with lots of range time. I suspect the clerk was not an accomplished shooter. But he did manage to get the safety off and prevail. Kudos to him.


17 posted on 11/18/2011 9:33:44 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: QT3.14
...Multiple non-life threatening shots to the body...

Other news links say he was hit in the legs.

I've got two words for that:
"Femoral artery", hit that and you're dead!

Regards,
GtG

18 posted on 11/18/2011 9:54:19 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Fireone

And in Minnesota, if you do not have a carry permit, you could have one at your place of business.


19 posted on 11/18/2011 10:30:26 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: buffaloguy
I am going to guess...9mm. The right choice for when you want to use up all of your ammunition......

Actually, the jacketed 9mm has a higher kill-per-one shot statistic according to NYPD than the .45cal. Doesn’t speak to the knock-down effect, though, of course.
20 posted on 11/18/2011 10:52:00 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Gandalf_The_Gray said: "Femoral artery", hit that and you're dead!

While that may be true, it is not the preferred way to stop an attack. While the perpetrator is bleeding out he may well kill you.

I was taught: two to the center of mass, then evaluate the threat, and follow with a shot between the eyes. The change in tactic is due to the possibility that the person is wearing body armor or clothing which is reducing the effectiveness of the bullets.

Legally, one is justified in shooting to stop an attack. If the shots also kill the attacker that is merely an unintended side effect.

21 posted on 11/18/2011 3:51:16 PM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell
While that may be true, it is not the preferred way to stop an attack. While the perpetrator is bleeding out he may well kill you.

I agree that two to center mass followed by a cranial shot if required is the only proper way to address the described situation. My comment about the possibilities of a lethal result from hitting the femoral artery were meant to point out that "shooting to wound" does not guarantee the recipient a long and happy life. As you rightly point out you may just succeed in making him cranky enough to take you down as well during the last minute or so remaining to him.

Moral of the story, shooting to wound is a very bad idea. If force is required use as much as necessary to end the fight decisively.

Regards,
GtG

22 posted on 11/18/2011 9:14:43 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Hiddigeigei

“Actually, the jacketed 9mm has a higher kill-per-one shot statistic according to NYPD than the .45cal.”

1. NYPD also has the world record for number of 9mm shots that hit a perp without killing him: 21!

2. They also hold the world record for number of shots fired without anyone, perp or cop, being hit: 125!

I have never like 9mm because of the fast recoil but lately there have been a number of shootings in which a 9mm stopped the perp only after a number of rounds were fired and the last one hit a critical organ. It appeared that if the last shot had not hit a critical organ the gunfight would have continued ad infinitum (see #1 above).
I like big calibers: high mass, low speed bullets which have low speed recoil. I shoot only .45s because they are the only pistol that I have used that I can comfortably shoot all day long. The first time I shot a .45 it felt to me loke a “working pistol” comfy for the whole day. My body interprets the low speed recoil as much less total recoil than the higher speed, lower mass rounds and they are very comfortable to me. I also like all steel pistols as they seem to jam less. No idea why.
Every few months I feel the need to look at .45-70 pistols. But I have sort of decided that I really don’t want a video of me on Youtube being knocked on my can at the range by the recoil (And yes, my wife would certainly upload one). But I still look. A character flaw I guess.


23 posted on 11/21/2011 6:29:17 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: buffaloguy
Some personal observations, which you are free to disagree with.

The 45cal auto is a great cartridge, especially for the military. The 1911 auto is not hard to learn to shoot accurately, is pleasant to shoot, and is flat enough to carry concealed. It gives me the willies to carry cocked, which is the only sensible way. It does have the annoying habit of tossing the empties in all directions, even popping a hot case behind your glasses on occasions. Returning from the range I usually end up finding an empty in my shirt pocket. Like all autos, it has reliability problems. It is finicky about ammo, even store-bought. It will stovepipe on occasions, or fail to eject.

All things considered, I don’t like autos as a personal-defense carry weapon and therefore carry a revolver. Most modern autos are made with two things in mind. Prevent being sued (long, rough trigger pull) and cosmetics. Reliability is their last concern because most buyer take their auto home, load and put it in a drawer, feel defended, and forget about it. True, the Glock is a little more reliable than most, but still will give you problems.

If a revolver doesn’t fire because of, say, a bad primer, you can just pull the trigger again. I never have had a revolver not fire or jam. I’ve seen plenty of autos jam on the range. Hitting what you’re shooting at is more important than caliber or number of rounds in a magazine. For personal defense, six sure shots are more important that a magazine full of maybes.
24 posted on 11/21/2011 9:29:24 AM PST by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Hiddigeigei

I agree with all of your comments and will add this: I hate cleaning semis. I am going to be switching over to .45 revolvers this next year and I am really looking forward to it. I reload so it is going to be a hoot to shoot all those different bullets.

As far jamming goes, I have had all but one semi that I have owned jam. Very nerve wracking on the range.


25 posted on 11/21/2011 10:06:01 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Hiddigeigei

I had never thought about the role bad primers could play. Some of my semis have jammed because of bent magazines, which I find alarming.


26 posted on 11/21/2011 10:21:28 AM PST by buffaloguy
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