Skip to comments.Portland [OR]tavern employee foils an early-morning robbery ['Being Armed' success story]
Posted on 11/18/2011 8:42:00 AM PST by QT3.14
A 30-year-old man who allegedly tried to rob a Southeast Portland bar with a sawed-off shotgun early this morning got far more than he bargained for when he ran into an employee who goes by the nickname "Stub."
Instead of leaving with cash, the man was hauled off in an ambulance.
(Excerpt) Read more at oregonlive.com ...
Amazed (then again maybe not] that other news sources referred to the shotgun as a rifle.
I don’t think Oregon has a CCL. Verrrrry lib state. Hope Stubb isn’t the new focus of police attention.
Multiple non-life threatening shots to the body = poor shooting?
Another man arrested for robbing while black.
Oregon has CCL....just no reciprocity....but, yes, IT IS VERY LIB, especially in Portland.
“Multiple non-life threatening shots to the body = poor shooting?”
I am going to guess...9mm. The right choice for when you want to use up all of your ammunition......
Glad to hear it! Yeah, I could not live there. It’s painful just to visit!
I would say that under stress he did well, the perp was carried away not him. But if it had been me, I have CC for 12 years the perp would have been pronounced dead at scene. practice practice practice.
Before MN. had “shall issue”, a business owner or worker could obtain a pistol permit from county sheriff’s office.
Perhaps this was the case here.
It might just be that ‘Stubbs” didn’t want to kill anybody that night.
Other news links say he was hit in the legs.
“Another man arrested for robbing while black.”
Explains why they have been featured in the recent OWS protests.
Actually Oregon has a pretty good CCL. Oregon is a “shall issue” state that prohibits local gun ordinances that conflict with state law. We can carry just about anywhere except,(if I recall correctly), police stations and courthouses.
In my home town of Newberg, we recently had a controversy over the local school district’s policy of prohibiting carrying of concealed handguns. They were forced to change the policy when our state rep pointing out that the prohibition policy was illegal under state law.
Stubb is likely on solid ground as far as criminal law. As someone else pointed out, he is likely in more jeopardy from a civil lawsuit.
Anytime you’re confronted by armed man and walk away is a great day. All the rest is nit picking. Putting the perp down should have been his primary objective and he did.
A lot of folks think simply having a gun means you’ll be prepared to use it. Shooting people while under stress is not the easiest thing in the world to do. Pistol accuracy—even as close as 8 or 10 feet—can only be achieved with lots of range time. I suspect the clerk was not an accomplished shooter. But he did manage to get the safety off and prevail. Kudos to him.
Other news links say he was hit in the legs.
I've got two words for that:
"Femoral artery", hit that and you're dead!
And in Minnesota, if you do not have a carry permit, you could have one at your place of business.
While that may be true, it is not the preferred way to stop an attack. While the perpetrator is bleeding out he may well kill you.
I was taught: two to the center of mass, then evaluate the threat, and follow with a shot between the eyes. The change in tactic is due to the possibility that the person is wearing body armor or clothing which is reducing the effectiveness of the bullets.
Legally, one is justified in shooting to stop an attack. If the shots also kill the attacker that is merely an unintended side effect.
I agree that two to center mass followed by a cranial shot if required is the only proper way to address the described situation. My comment about the possibilities of a lethal result from hitting the femoral artery were meant to point out that "shooting to wound" does not guarantee the recipient a long and happy life. As you rightly point out you may just succeed in making him cranky enough to take you down as well during the last minute or so remaining to him.
Moral of the story, shooting to wound is a very bad idea. If force is required use as much as necessary to end the fight decisively.
“Actually, the jacketed 9mm has a higher kill-per-one shot statistic according to NYPD than the .45cal.”
1. NYPD also has the world record for number of 9mm shots that hit a perp without killing him: 21!
2. They also hold the world record for number of shots fired without anyone, perp or cop, being hit: 125!
I have never like 9mm because of the fast recoil but lately there have been a number of shootings in which a 9mm stopped the perp only after a number of rounds were fired and the last one hit a critical organ. It appeared that if the last shot had not hit a critical organ the gunfight would have continued ad infinitum (see #1 above).
I like big calibers: high mass, low speed bullets which have low speed recoil. I shoot only .45s because they are the only pistol that I have used that I can comfortably shoot all day long. The first time I shot a .45 it felt to me loke a “working pistol” comfy for the whole day. My body interprets the low speed recoil as much less total recoil than the higher speed, lower mass rounds and they are very comfortable to me. I also like all steel pistols as they seem to jam less. No idea why.
Every few months I feel the need to look at .45-70 pistols. But I have sort of decided that I really don’t want a video of me on Youtube being knocked on my can at the range by the recoil (And yes, my wife would certainly upload one). But I still look. A character flaw I guess.
I agree with all of your comments and will add this: I hate cleaning semis. I am going to be switching over to .45 revolvers this next year and I am really looking forward to it. I reload so it is going to be a hoot to shoot all those different bullets.
As far jamming goes, I have had all but one semi that I have owned jam. Very nerve wracking on the range.
I had never thought about the role bad primers could play. Some of my semis have jammed because of bent magazines, which I find alarming.