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A Pause in the Tebow Argument
ny slimes ^ | Nov. 2011 | Zinser

Posted on 11/18/2011 11:13:52 AM PST by doug from upland

A Pause in the Tebow Argument

To enjoy the conclusion of Thursday night’s Broncos-Jets game, you did not have to buy into the legend of Tim Tebow or care one whit about his religion or politics or the ridiculousness of the Tebowing craze. You didn’t even have to hate the Jets or detest the word “Sanchize,” although that would be a plus. Even without all of that, it was possible to sit back and marvel at how preposterous Tebow’s winning touchdown drive was, after 54 minutes of acting as if he had stumbled into a football game for the first time and decided to play quarterback.

Of course, to enjoy the conclusion of Thursday night’s Broncos-Jets game, you had to watch the first 54 minutes of two teams acting as if they had stumbled into a football game for the first time. But the ending was sublime, unless you’re a Jets fan, in which case we fear for the safety of your television screen.

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Tebow has been lucky in many respects. One or two plays here and there and he could be 1-4 instead of 4-1 as a starter. But the bottom line is that he is 4-1. Part of the magic, I believe, is what Tebow brings to the game and to his teammates - hope (not the Obama hope). He is a leader who is making his teammates believe that a team with less talent than many other teams can actually win. He inspires them to give their all because he gives his all. Tim Tebow adds a dimension that can't be readily explained. He makes those around him better. That is a key to success, and I hope it continues.
1 posted on 11/18/2011 11:13:57 AM PST by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland

Broncos outplayed the Jets the entire game. That was what I saw. I didnt see a guy who “stumbled into a game”. First play from scrimmage was a great pro level pass, they went on from there.

Tebow won, in my view, because at the end he was willing to do whatever it took to win. He wanted it more. the jets couldnt respond and were dazed by the intensity the broncos showed on the last drive.

thats the story, not religion.


2 posted on 11/18/2011 11:17:14 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: doug from upland
I agree wholeheartedly with DFU. Tebow is a winner. Winners win with expertise, grace, luck and determination.
3 posted on 11/18/2011 11:17:36 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: doug from upland

All he does is win.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 11:18:24 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Tebow is a leader, his attitude has trickled down to the rest of the team. Denver’s defense has looked much better since he’s started, that’s not a coincidence.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 11:19:19 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: doug from upland
All Tebow has done is win at every level.

He is a special kid with many talents.

I wish he could learn to throw a football.

6 posted on 11/18/2011 11:19:21 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: doug from upland
DFU, my hat is off to you for this post.

Very well stated.

'Nuff said old FRiend.

7 posted on 11/18/2011 11:19:35 AM PST by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: doug from upland

8 posted on 11/18/2011 11:20:14 AM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: doug from upland
You should hear Champ Bailey talk about Tebow. That guy has seen it all and done it all in this league. He talks about Tebow the same way you do.

I don't know what Tebow's long term future is, but he is a smart guy who will work his butt off to remedy his shortcomings.

All that said, it is Denver's defense that is winning games. They are keeping games close enough to win in "Tebow Time." Keep your eye on Von Miller, a rookie linebacker who is already playing like a Pro Bowler.

9 posted on 11/18/2011 11:20:35 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: doug from upland

Luck is when it happens once.

When it happens again and again, there’s a pattern.


10 posted on 11/18/2011 11:21:06 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: doug from upland

Tebow has something special, but I was more impressed with Denver’s defense, especially Von Miller.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 11:22:11 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: doug from upland
I'm just tickled pink to see the triple option play resurrected in the NFL. It adds so much depth to an offense and an additional 'Wow' factor to the game.
Of course, a team needs a QB who is a master at it with the tools to execute properly. Tebow has those tools.
12 posted on 11/18/2011 11:22:53 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: dfwgator

Other than in the Detroit game, the defense has been great. Part of the reason is ball control by the offense.


13 posted on 11/18/2011 11:24:02 AM PST by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: dfwgator
Denver’s defense has looked much better since he’s started, that’s not a coincidence.

Defenses like a QB who doesn't make big mistakes that turn the ball over and can win the game on the last drive. It lets the defense know that their effort won't be wasted.

14 posted on 11/18/2011 11:24:15 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: doug from upland

For 13 rounds, Jersy Joe Walcot pulverized Rocky Marciano but with one blow Rocky won. That is what Tebow is. A guy who never gives up no mater what.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 11:24:15 AM PST by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Give Tebow a Percy Harvin, like he had at Florida, and he will become every bit as good as he was in college, he just needs some weapons around him.


16 posted on 11/18/2011 11:24:15 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: doug from upland
To me, the two best parts of the game were when the Jets coach was just walking down the sidelines shaking his head after Tebow ran it in for a touchdown, as if he was saying to himself "Damned if we didn't just allow ourselves to be Tebowed". The second best part, was ALL the talking head know-it-alls on the panel picked the Jets to win, in the pregame show. And they seemed real sure of it.
17 posted on 11/18/2011 11:26:07 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: doug from upland
"in which case we fear for the safety of your television screen. "

Don't forget small dogs, cats, children & wives.

18 posted on 11/18/2011 11:26:13 AM PST by DeaconRed (My Hat Don't Hang on the same Nail to Long. I am a CAT adjuster.)
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To: All

I’ll give my take on Tebow’s praying and thanking his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is not praying for a victory or thanking the Lord after a victory. God does not wear a particular team’s jersey on game day. He is praying for and giving thanks for the Lord giving him all his blessing. He prays so that he will be inspired, win or lose, to be the best he can be and cause his teammates to be the best they can be.


19 posted on 11/18/2011 11:27:23 AM PST by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

there is a reason the nfl doesnt run the option, the potential for a fumble/6 is way high. that almost happened last night. sooner or later it will happen to denver.
but i still think tebow is a winner.
agree with comment above: darn it i wish he could pocket pass.


20 posted on 11/18/2011 11:29:46 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: doug from upland
Tim Tebow adds a dimension that can't be readily explained.

Well, it's certainly not his passing game, that's for sure. That said, he has heart, and he certainly ran the option well.

I'm glad he won and all, being a Patriots fan, but Tebow has a LOT to prove before he can be considered an average NFL quarterback, let alone an elite one.

21 posted on 11/18/2011 11:29:49 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: dfwgator
"Give Tebow a Percy Harvin, like he had at Florida, and he will become every bit as good as he was in college, he just needs some weapons around him."

He also needs a coach that believes in him. Fox hopes he fails and tries his best to get him to fail.
Don't forget Tebow is the poster boy (MAN) for the "Right To Life" movement. The doctor told his Mama she would die if she didn't abort him.
I love me some TEBOW

22 posted on 11/18/2011 11:31:14 AM PST by DeaconRed (My Hat Don't Hang on the same Nail to Long. I am a CAT adjuster.)
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To: doug from upland

For those who claim all he has is luck, I go to the words of Thomas Jefferson: I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have.


23 posted on 11/18/2011 11:32:44 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Voter#537
Fox hopes he fails and tries his best to get him to fail.

Yep, it reminds me of the movie "Major League", when the owner gets upset once the Indians started winning games.

24 posted on 11/18/2011 11:33:18 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: beebuster2000
darn it i wish he could pocket pass.

He has sort of a side arm slinging motion in his passing. Just a bit. A good QB coach can do some video taping sessions and work on his arm motion and follow through and improve his passing. Of that I'm certain. Just like running wind sprints will improve stamina. John Elway oughta step up and work with him.

25 posted on 11/18/2011 11:34:03 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: beebuster2000

Really good game, especially the 4Q. He tightens up his pass game, watch out.

After watching him, I thought, yeah, he could run on my Saints S if we played them in the SB, but we have Brees who knows how to win.

Except for that crappy pass he through for an interception in the end zone that cost them the Tampa win.


26 posted on 11/18/2011 11:34:12 AM PST by VicVega (Geaux LSU, Geaux Saints)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

If a good throwing motion was the only prerequisite to being a good NFL quarterback, Ryan Leaf would be in the Hall of Fame.


27 posted on 11/18/2011 11:35:48 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: doug from upland
Tebow has been lucky in many respects. One or two plays here and there and he could be 1-4 instead of 4-1 as a starter. But the bottom line is that he is 4-1.

If I had some eggs, I could make some bacon and eggs - if I had some bacon!

People can play "what if" all day long, and it wouldn't matter, because the only record Tebow actually has is 4-1.

28 posted on 11/18/2011 11:37:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: doug from upland

They get a Checkmark under ‘Intangibles ‘ with him at the helm. Elway is definitely enjoying the ride..


29 posted on 11/18/2011 11:38:36 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Elway doesn't want him either.

I do wonder what will happen at the end of the season. If Denver makes the playoffs, do they still cut Tebow loose?

30 posted on 11/18/2011 11:41:38 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: doug from upland
He prays so that he will be inspired, win or lose, to be the best he can be and cause his teammates to be the best they can be.

What no foxhole prayers?

31 posted on 11/18/2011 11:41:45 AM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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To: Snickering Hound
If only he'd played at ND..



32 posted on 11/18/2011 11:42:11 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s not a statue of Jesus at the bottom, it’s Willem Dafoe in ‘Platoon.’


33 posted on 11/18/2011 11:43:07 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: doug from upland
Part of the "magic" is that Denver has been playing teams that seem to be hell-bent on self-destruction.

I love Tebow's attitude and approach, but he simply isn't a bona fide NFL quarterback despite the 4-1 record. Against the Chiefs last weekend, he completed 2 of 8 passes. That's a QB line for an entire NFL game?! You must be kidding.

Last night he was 9 of 20, and the Broncos had scored a grand total of 3 offensive points before that final drive . . . and this despite the fact that Denver started five of their offensive possessions on the Jets' side of midfield up to that point.

Like I said ... I love the guy for his principles and attitude, but he's "living on borrowed time" as an NFL quarterback.

34 posted on 11/18/2011 11:44:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: doug from upland
close but not quite....the football field is his mission field. Tebow is playing football to fulfill the great commission.
35 posted on 11/18/2011 11:45:05 AM PST by FreedomProtector
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To: Alberta's Child
Like I said ... I love the guy for his principles and attitude, but he's "living on borrowed time" as an NFL quarterback.

I'm betting there will be lots of people still saying that, even if he takes the Broncos to the superbowl this year.
36 posted on 11/18/2011 11:48:48 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Tebow is a crappy QB by today’s NFL standards.

But he is a GREAT football player, and that is all he really needs to be right now.


37 posted on 11/18/2011 11:51:29 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: doug from upland

Imagine how the media would be singing the praises of Tebow IF HE WERE A MUSLIM.

Imagine, for a moment, if after every touchdown he screamed “Praise to Allah!” or bowed to Mecca. He would be interviewed, respected, and loved.

He is a Christian, and so he is mocked.

Accident? I don’t think so.


38 posted on 11/18/2011 11:51:29 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: doug from upland

I’m happy for Tebow...but all this game really shows is that Rex Ryan’s an overrated blowhard. The Jets KNEW what he was gonna do, and they still couldn’t stop it..defensive genius my tuckas...


39 posted on 11/18/2011 11:52:45 AM PST by ken5050
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To: doug from upland

I like Tebow and I’m tired of every talking head has-been or never-was talking trash about him and making him out to be a joke.

Why is it when a team runs the Wildcat, they’re offensive geniuses but Denver runs it full time and they’re running a “collegiate offense”?


40 posted on 11/18/2011 11:53:01 AM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: doug from upland

Tebow is front and center in a major culture war right now.

I have a liberal friend (first mistake) that is a huge Broncos fan, yet hates Tebow, even though he is 4-1.

God is showing, thru Tim Tebow, what he can do.


41 posted on 11/18/2011 11:53:38 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

It’s not as if Tebow has a decent offensive line, and offensive weapons to work with, maybe other than McGahee, when he’s healthy.

And at least he doesn’t throw interceptions like Orton was.


42 posted on 11/18/2011 11:54:00 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: doug from upland

BTW, Mark Sanchez is the worst quarterback I’ve seen leading a major NFL franchise in the my lifetime.

He’s just a terrible passer, has terrible, girlish form on his throws and his release — in fact the only reason he isn’t picked off 5 times a game is that more often that not, neither his receiver nor the defensive back is anywhere near the pass.


43 posted on 11/18/2011 11:57:05 AM PST by WL-law
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To: Voter#537

I honestly agree with your assessment of Fox... until Tebow ran in for that touchdown last night... Fox seemed to change a bit in that moment. I still saw a concerned look on Elway’s face, but Fox was genuinely impressed.


44 posted on 11/18/2011 11:58:54 AM PST by ican'tbelieveit (Washington,DC is FULL of people with Political Experience... How's that Working out for you??)
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To: ZX12R

We Gator fans knew all along that Tebow would be the man to beat in the pros.


45 posted on 11/18/2011 12:00:54 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: doug from upland; All

doug from upland posts - “”He is a leader who is making his teammates believe that a team with less talent than many other teams can actually win. He inspires them to give their all because he gives his all. Tim Tebow adds a dimension that can’t be readily explained. He makes those around him better.””

Thank you DFU. Excellent insight on an great thread.
Would not trade anything for the memory of the first time Tebow took the field at Florida, or any of the memories since. He is truly an exceptional young man.

May God guide our course.
Tatt


46 posted on 11/18/2011 12:02:23 PM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: NormsRevenge

that’s in ohio.

the comedian cowboy pastor lawrence bishop.


47 posted on 11/18/2011 12:02:49 PM PST by ken21
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To: doug from upland
Part of the reason is ball control by the offense.

Amen to that ... time of possession is a huge plus. Offense controlling the ball on sustained drives keeps the defense fresh. 3 & out Orton wasn't helping his defense ... Tebow is their hero.

48 posted on 11/18/2011 12:03:11 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: dfwgator

Tebow still can’t make some of the essential NFL throws right now (over linebackers, under safeties), mostly because of the closing speed of NFL defenders. So I’m not sure he’ll be quite the passer that he was in college (he’s under 50% completions right now).

However, I don’t think it matters. He is very hard to defend in the two-minute drill. His teammates believe in him. He believes in himself.

It’s fun to watch, and I’m rooting for him every step of the way.


49 posted on 11/18/2011 12:03:49 PM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Just like running wind sprints will improve stamina. John Elway oughta step up and work with him.

That was a great shot of Elway in his skybox last night after the Tebow score. Elway had a huge smile on his face not only because Denver took the lead in the closing seconds, but because he can rest assured that his passing records at Denver aren't about fall any time soon.

50 posted on 11/18/2011 12:04:57 PM PST by Labyrinthos
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