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Can Gingrich Win Over Social Conservatives?
National Review ^ | November 18, 2011 | staff

Posted on 11/18/2011 1:51:58 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion

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To: TBBT
1) I don't think Newt is currently advocating for a mandate. Of course that's today... To be fair I don't think Mitt currently is either - at least on a national level. He's just defending the one he imposed on his state and leaves it open that other states have the right to do it to (10th Amend). That's one of the many reasons that I part company with Mitt. Constitutional or no - I don't jive with the notion that it's legit for the state to force anybody to buy any good or service.
101 posted on 11/18/2011 6:36:51 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

I’ve had that choice on the ballot before. I will vote for the candidate who is closest to my own position. I feel it is my responsibility to vote.

I have no qualms about voting third party. None whatsoever, when I fight hard for my candidate, and the party goes another direction.


102 posted on 11/18/2011 6:46:42 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

Vote 3rd party?

Guaranteed to result in another Obama term and by extension is also a vote for tax payers dollars going to abortion. How does that square with your religious beliefs?


103 posted on 11/18/2011 6:55:38 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

Absolutely.

I cannot in good conscience vote for a pro abort republican.


104 posted on 11/18/2011 7:24:16 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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105 posted on 11/18/2011 7:25:16 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: TBBT
I sniff utopianistic idealism vs. pragmatic realism...

No you smell principled honesty vrs GOP Establishment Bot stupidity.

Like McCain in 2008 and Dole in 1996 Newt is the good old GOP Establishment boy that the GOP machine will convince themselves is political “genius” to run.

And then, when confronted by the most fabulously unethical, dishonest well funded Campaign machine in US History, their “good old boy” will be painted as part of the corrupt Washington DC Establishment that “wrecked” the Economy.

Newt will be lucky to win 200 Electoral votes.

The GOP is about to make a major mistake.

It is going to run yet another GOP bot who the incumbent Democrat machine will be able to demagogue and out populist.

Newt is DOA in the General Election.

Too bad the GOP-bot machine is too politically incompetent to realize it.

106 posted on 11/18/2011 7:28:47 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: RitaOK

Yes you did miss quit a bit about Newt

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-health-care-insurance/2011/05/15/id/396426

Gingrich Backs Obamacare’s Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance (May 2011)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gingrich-obamacare-and-individual-mandate_607924.html

Nov 2011

In response to a follow-up question from Charles Krauthammer about whether he opposed the mandate as a matter of policy or constitutionality, Gingrich replied, “I believe that it is unconstitutional for the Congress to require you to buy something…because then the Congress could require you to do anything.”


107 posted on 11/18/2011 7:33:00 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

No what they are trying to do is wake up the worshipers at the shrine of ST Newt to the fact the GOOD in Newt is almost all 20 years in the past, the bad is all very recent.


108 posted on 11/18/2011 7:34:21 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: TBBT

Where you don’t even bother looking for a Conservative candidate instead merely looking for the most reliably GOP Establishment candidate.

Odd how you people who pimped McCain in 2008 learned NOTHING from your disaster.


109 posted on 11/18/2011 7:38:15 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Even if one grants you all of the above... The other two frontrunners still will have a better shot at it than Cain. Cain flaws - lack of depth and seriousness - will not fly in the general.

Yes it’s a crap sandwich.


110 posted on 11/18/2011 7:39:57 PM PST by TBBT
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To: BarnacleCenturion

There’s one group the GOP candidates need to sway to their side and it isn’t “social conservatives”. It’s the Pissed-off Conservatives that should cause them worry.


111 posted on 11/18/2011 7:44:11 PM PST by upsdriver
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To: BarnacleCenturion

He can’t win with all his shilling for a healthcare mandate...NewtCare...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/267273/gingrich-tacks-left-slams-ryans-medicare-plan-andrew-stiles


112 posted on 11/18/2011 7:59:47 PM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The smart ones he can. Sure. The brain dead zombies, not so much.
113 posted on 11/18/2011 8:11:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Richard Land is the "evangelical" that liberals love to quote. He is a non-factor in 2011 but they flatter him that he makes a difference, so he will burp up some ominous observation to please them.
114 posted on 11/18/2011 8:14:46 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why the worry about social conservatives? This guy was on the Healthcare reform bandwagon with Romneycare, he was on the climate change bandwagon with Pelosi, he was on the medicare expansion bandwagon with Bush and Santorum. I mean his divorce and probably cheating is the least of his problems in my book. I’d like to think the man has changed but he always seems to go with the flow. He has held strong on some issues but he has a tendency to take a bad idea and try to make a conservative version of a bad idea. He also got his clock cleaned by Clinton after grassroots conservatives like Cain and Rick Scott stood up against Hillarycare.

Newt would be preferable to Romney but that is like choosing between two types of inadequate choices.


115 posted on 11/18/2011 8:18:00 PM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Newts support is not baggage ignorant - it is because they are either baggage forgiving or baggage apathetic.

It is because when your ship is approaching an iceberg the last thing on your mind should be your frickin' baggage. You should be worrying about an imminent course correction.

116 posted on 11/18/2011 8:20:20 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: BenKenobi
Newt, I could see. Romney, why would he bother? Part of the reason why McCain nominated Palin is because McCain was older. Romney’s not suspected of having any health problems.

Once he gets the nomination, he doesn’t have to pander anymore. The conservatives are stuck. All he has to do is run a hair to the right of Obama.

The impression I get with Romney, is that he would pick anyone that he thinks is on the right, if it'll help him, he'd pick Jim DeMint, if he thought it could get him more votes. I don't think Romney has any principles, liberal, conservative, moderate, etc. It's all a means to an end.

If he thinks getting a liberal or moderate would get him more votes, he'd tab someone like that as his V.P., if he is worried that conservatives will stay home (or go 3rd party), he'll pick a conservative, if he thinks that the picking a stray puppy will get him more votes, say hello to V.P. Lassie.

If its Romney (and God, I hope its not), he'll be looking at demo info, someone conservative, but not a typical white male, either someone black and conservative or latino or a women. Keep in mind, none of this means those people would say yes, it just means, it'll make his short list. Also, I would not be surprised in the least, if he hasn't already cut a deal with someone for an endorsement (i.e. you endorse me, and I'll make you my V.P.)....if he did that already, then your right, and then he's gonne be tabbing Chris Christie (not a conservative, but still to the right of Romney).

117 posted on 11/18/2011 8:23:40 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M

Well, we shall see what the campaign season brings. I hope it’s not Romney either, but if it is, it all depends on which votes he thinks he needs.

If he wants cachet from indies, what if he brought someone like Rudy G in?

Conservatives may squak all they like, but our last chance to be heard is in the next three months. That’s it.


118 posted on 11/18/2011 8:28:05 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
If the tea party, is to have any kind of credibility, any kind at all, they must, keep Romney from the nomination.

If a liberal, can win the presidential nomination of the Republican party, then the conservative wing, is impotent and irrelevant. Romney winning GOP primaries, to get the delegates, winning via the votes, would mean, that the tea party is over.

119 posted on 11/18/2011 8:50:05 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Can ANYBODY win the “social conservative voting majority”, for the ‘12 POTUS general election race?


120 posted on 11/18/2011 9:41:26 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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