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Can Gingrich Win Over Social Conservatives?
National Review ^ | November 18, 2011 | staff

Posted on 11/18/2011 1:51:58 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion

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To: BarnacleCenturion

The more important question is, should he be nominated can Gingrich win over the independents?


81 posted on 11/18/2011 3:31:38 PM PST by Signalman
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To: C. Edmund Wright
He didn’t handle that well and he was too cozy with Hillary - but that doesn’t change the fact that you are apparently oblivious to the fact that the bond option (which could be handled much simpler than a bond) and the health savings account option make what he wanted to do much less oppressive than Obama Care. And based on your soundbyte gotcha out of context way of debating, I do, yes, doubt that you understand just how significant those changes are.

Yep, somehow in my stupid non-Moderator of a Tea Party little brain I just can't seem to fathom the difference between the Federal Government forcing you to buy Health Care ---- Or purchase a bond. Either way if you don't comply eventually Federal Goons will show up to haul you to prison.

Somehow the position of the Florida Tea Party seems to be that this is ok.

Or how saying he believes in an individual mandate is somehow a gotcha. It was a straight answer to a question.

82 posted on 11/18/2011 3:33:34 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: TBBT

You like digging holes apparently.

Where did I say that Cain was perfect? He’s not. He is, in my opinion, the best conservative out there.

Why are we doing what we did in 2008, in nominating a moderate? We already did that and failed. Why repeat the process with Newt?


83 posted on 11/18/2011 3:38:53 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

You do know that Bigfoot isn’t real don’t you?


84 posted on 11/18/2011 3:46:51 PM PST by TBBT
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To: RicocheT

“Which one do we pick if it’s Mitt v. Gingrich? Which LESSOR of the 2 evils must I vote for?”

“LESSOR”........They both may be for sale to the highest bidder!

As a potential “Lessee” I will not buy from either!


85 posted on 11/18/2011 3:47:45 PM PST by outhousepatrol
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To: outhousepatrol

You can come to terms... or cast a vote for Obama by omission...

I’ll even pull the lever for Mitt before that happens...


86 posted on 11/18/2011 3:50:16 PM PST by TBBT
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To: outhousepatrol

Besides... Don’t you like Mr. Hankey?


87 posted on 11/18/2011 3:51:45 PM PST by TBBT
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To: BenKenobi
You do know that Bigfoot isn’t real don’t you?

...about as real as Cain's chances - based on the way things look now... Just for the record.
88 posted on 11/18/2011 4:04:06 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

I thought it was that I was taking the perfect over the good, now you are arguing that he’s not electible?

Hey, if we want to follow the polls and elect the man with the best chance against Obama, that’s Mitt Romney. Good luck with that.


89 posted on 11/18/2011 4:14:53 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

I thought I was being clear... You can make a real choice between viable candidates. Or you can continue to cling to the idea of an ideal candidate that just isn’t real. He/she is not on that stage. Cain isn’t it. The trend doesn’t show it. Even if his numbers weren’t headed in the wrong direction, Cain’s own performance has shown that he’s no more ideal than the rest of them. In fact - with his demonstrated lack of depth and seriousness - he’s worst than most and likely would get clobbered in the general.

You have another option. Stay home and don’t vote. But that’s a vote for Obama.


90 posted on 11/18/2011 4:33:38 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

You were awful quiet when Cain was leading the polls. All of a sudden, Cain isn’t viable?

Sorry, I ain’t buying what you’re selling. You were nowhere to be seen, and all of a sudden you show up saying that the Cain supporters need to back Newt.

Look, if I wanted Newt I never would have backed Cain in the first place.


91 posted on 11/18/2011 5:08:31 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Brookhaven

B I N G O.


92 posted on 11/18/2011 5:41:21 PM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: BenKenobi

Not that it’s really relevant to this discussion, I’ll solve the mystery for you in terms of my reemergence here at FR.

A few years back, FR just lost it’s appeal to me. Most of the banter on it was too predictable to maintain any appeal. The intensity of my interest in things political tends to wane a bit between elections. Usually I find a satisfying amount of content thats sufficient to keep me informed at a handful of blogs that I frequent often. The level of commentary and analysis they provide far exceeds what you find here.

So why am I back?

1) The day I started poking around here again was a slow day on the blogs. It actually was a series of slow days - as if they all went on vacation. FR has always been a good aggregator of news - looking through Latest Articles provides decent one stop shopping. I was bored at work and needed something to fill the gap. So hence, I stopped by FR.

2) The proximity of the silly season is getting close - coming to a point when stuff is starting to really count. When this happens I tend to get more obsessive about it. Usually I just lurk and read at most places. But when the season starts ramping up I get the urge to start throwing my two cents into ring.

The rise and fall of Cain has merely been coincidental to my recent activity. He has made it more fun though...

Mystery solved... For the record...


93 posted on 11/18/2011 5:41:25 PM PST by TBBT
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To: BenKenobi

I have not selected any candidate yet.
Each has issues but that will always he the case.

I really really like Cain but I do not udnerstand why he hasn’t made an effort to learn the issues. sometimes he is so exposed it makes me cringe. Can he learn it?> sure
but I am disappointed at his apparent lack of studying issues so far
I will fervently suppport whichever GOP is running.
On FRthere have been many who say they will not vote if the candidate is Cain or Newt or Romney,
I do not understand that. Those who will refuse to vote for a Pub if he isn’t perfect for them merely assure that POS 0dumbo stays


94 posted on 11/18/2011 5:49:27 PM PST by RWGinger (Simpl)
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To: TBBT

So, you think that by saying the same things to us as the Perry supporters told us, and you ALREADY told us back in May, that Cain was done, that we should listen to you now?

It’s a broken record. Cain ain’t done till the primaries comes around. You’d better hope that Newt can ride the hurricane, because the waves’ a-coming.


95 posted on 11/18/2011 5:55:33 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: RWGinger

Well I hope I can make my position to you clear.

I do not believe in good conscience that I can pay for abortions under any circumstances. O-care, as a healthcare mandate forces me to pay for abortions included in ‘health coverage’, that I cannot opt out (as the Muslims can).

This makes this coming election a matter of faith for me. I cannot, cannot, vote for Romney without violating my faith. Same with Newt. I cannot vote for anyone who supports a healthcare mandate that would require me to pay for abortions.

Right now, it seems that my views are in the minority, which is sad, because I have nowhere else to go.


96 posted on 11/18/2011 5:58:15 PM PST by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: TBBT
Cain is the only steadfast conservative on deck.

In case you haven't noticed, people are demonstrably anti-professional partisan politics.

That general position will harden as things get even worse, and it will.
And as more information becomes available that makes it clear that our two party political system is pure theater, the corruption on both “sides” is endemic and pervasive.

We citizens will either vote them all out of elected office, and/or endure a violent revolution that reduces the USA to anarchy.

97 posted on 11/18/2011 6:02:47 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: BenKenobi
I cannot, cannot, vote for Romney without violating my faith. Same with Newt... I have nowhere else to go.

In a way I can almost sympathize with that.

Still... some thoguts:

1) I don't think Newt is currently advocating for a mandate. Of course that's today...

2) Whether you want it or not - your choice may come down to Newt vs. Obama, or Mitt vs. Obama. What are you going to do sit it out?
98 posted on 11/18/2011 6:21:34 PM PST by TBBT
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To: BenKenobi

If enough go with #2, you are guaranteeing that tax payer dollars will go to fund abortions.


99 posted on 11/18/2011 6:24:33 PM PST by TBBT
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I suspect Land’s focus groups are the equivalent of push polling and, voila!, he gets the result he directs.

Is there a reason evangelicals think they are voting for a religious leader, yet 1/3 vote Dem on a regular basis?


100 posted on 11/18/2011 6:27:37 PM PST by EDINVA
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