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What happened to wages of native-born workers after Arizona passed E-Verify?
Yahoo ^ | 11/18/2011 | Liz Goodwin

Posted on 11/18/2011 2:15:49 PM PST by South40

Lawmakers in several states have vowed to pass undocumented employer sanction laws after the Supreme Court upheld Arizona's this year. Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) has drummed up some support to pass a federal version in Congress that would require all employers to use the government's E-Verify database to ensure their employees are authorized to work--or risk losing their business license.

Arizona provides a case study for the effects of a tough E-Verify law on the labor market.

According to a study released this year by the Public Policy Institute of California, about 92,000 or 17 percent of the Hispanic non-citizen population of Arizona left in the year after the state passed E-Verify legislation. The researchers say most of them were illegal immigrants

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; everify; illegalaliebs; labor; market; unemployment; wages
"E-verify would not make a hill of beans' difference in what's happening today," Perry said in a 2010 debate.
1 posted on 11/18/2011 2:15:53 PM PST by South40
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2 posted on 11/18/2011 2:16:49 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: South40

Dumbo can’t pass E-verify!


3 posted on 11/18/2011 2:17:30 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: South40

There is no good reason for a politician to oppose e-verify


4 posted on 11/18/2011 2:19:06 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: South40

No E-Verify, no workee.
No E-Verify, no public assistance.

It would be a good begining.


5 posted on 11/18/2011 2:20:09 PM PST by umgud
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To: GeronL
There is no good reason for a politician to oppose e-verify

No good reason, no. But if you were a panderer to the ILLEGAL population in America there might be.

6 posted on 11/18/2011 2:21:45 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: umgud

17% of the ILLEGAL population left AZ in the first year. I’d say that’s a heck of a good start.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 2:23:38 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: GeronL
There is no good reason for a politician to oppose e-verify

Maybe not E-Verify all by it's lonesome self. But Lamar Smith's E-Verify law is a sham.

It was written by the Chamber of Commerce, and it has a poison pill in it.

Section 6 of the law would forbid any state or local laws concerning immigration. Gone would be the laws of Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina, and numerous counties and towns like Costa Mesa (CA) and Prince William (VA).

The Chamber of Commerce knows this scam would sound good because it would look like a crackdown on employers. But the CoC knows that like all other federal immigration laws, it would not be enforced. Meanwhile all the state laws that are being enforced and that the Chamber of Commerce hates, would be done away with. And it wouldn't affect the 11-20 million already here.

If you think Smith is being sincere about his E-Verify law, tell him to remove the Section 6 provision that has nothing to do with E-Verify.

He has already said he wouldn't, because the CoC wants it. Don't fall for this hypocrisy. It is another stab in the public's back by a RINO establishment.

8 posted on 11/18/2011 2:33:54 PM PST by oldbill
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To: South40
17% of the ILLEGAL population left AZ in the first year. I’d say that’s a heck of a good start.

Good for AZ, not so good for CA.

This is why we need national E-Verify.

9 posted on 11/18/2011 2:39:22 PM PST by umgud
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To: oldbill

I agree with you.

It’s not the whole solution. Adding the poison pill should indicate to the voters who needs to be voted out of office.


10 posted on 11/18/2011 2:39:22 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: oldbill

Nothing is ever as it seems to be with sneaky, coniving politicians.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 2:41:29 PM PST by umgud
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To: South40

I wonder what has happened to crime and social costs?


12 posted on 11/18/2011 2:42:13 PM PST by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: umgud
Good for AZ, not so good for CA.

This is why we need national E-Verify.

I'd rather see it done on a state-by-state basis - I think it's more likely to get enforced that way.

13 posted on 11/18/2011 2:47:07 PM PST by Bob
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To: South40
E-verify would not make a hill of beans' difference in what's happening today," Perry said in a 2010 debate

Every hill starts with one beano,, I say let's start stacking em.

14 posted on 11/18/2011 2:51:00 PM PST by vinylsidingman
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To: Bob
I'd rather see it done on a state-by-state basis - I think it's more likely to get enforced that way.

The states that refuse to deal with it would get all the illegals then. Sounds like a good plan to me.

15 posted on 11/18/2011 2:54:29 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: big bad easter bunny
> I wonder what has happened to crime and social costs?

Some info ("We've saved over $500 million annually in K-12 (education), declining enrollment," Pearce said. "We're down 500 inmates (in the prison system) from where we were a year ago.") - and the usual whining HERE.

16 posted on 11/18/2011 3:07:22 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Bob
I'd rather see it done on a state-by-state basis - I think it's more likely to get enforced that way.

Absolutely!

17 posted on 11/18/2011 3:09:18 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: South40

The simple IRS administrative rule change could implement e-verify very easily. Require an annual I-9 form which must have the corresponding e-verify number / approval attached. If the number is not attached, the employee is taxed at the highest rate and the business is taxed at a higher rate. Once the e-verify is completed and filed and the employee is found to be legally employees, the tax rate reverts to the correct rate.


18 posted on 11/18/2011 3:18:42 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
Great idea but it would never fly.

We can't even get sensible laws passed that require ID to vote w/o the left screaming that it's a voter tax and/or an attempt to weed out minorities. Requiring substantive proof that an employee is eligible to work within the US would be met with similar opposition and for the same reasons.

Great idea if we could get it done.

19 posted on 11/18/2011 3:24:13 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: South40
According to a study released this year by the Public Policy Institute of California, about 92,000 or 17 percent of the Hispanic non-citizen population of Arizona left in the year after the state passed E-Verify legislation.

Wonder where they went?


20 posted on 11/18/2011 3:25:00 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: South40

Illegal aliens won’t even call the police when they are kidnapped, why would they answer any questions about work, etc?

I don’t believe the stats.


21 posted on 11/18/2011 3:28:21 PM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: Bob
I'd rather see it done on a state-by-state basis - I think it's more likely to get enforced that way.

There are 16 states with some form of E-Verify right now. Most just apply to gov't work or contracts. If more states would do it like Alabama, it could snowball.

22 posted on 11/18/2011 3:28:32 PM PST by umgud
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To: Oatka
From your link:

Despite its legal challenges, Arizona Senate President Russell Pearce, a Republican who is the chief architect of SB1070 -- said the bill is a success. He said more than 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona.

"We've saved over $500 million annually in K-12 (education), declining enrollment," Pearce said. "We're down 500 inmates (in the prison system) from where we were a year ago."

Despite these successes and the tax dollars saved, Pearce was recalled. Incredible.

Even more disturbing is this; note the biased headline and story.

Arizonans who ousted anti-immigration lawmaker set sights on sheriff

23 posted on 11/18/2011 3:30:39 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: umgud
"No E-Verify, no workee."

" No E-Verify, no public assistance."

" It would be a good begining."

No Photo Voter ID=NO VOTE

24 posted on 11/18/2011 3:33:49 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: donna
I don't believe the stats either. I think in reality they are probably much higher.

ILLEGAL aliens are bolder these days. If they will speak to the media, they'll answer a poll question.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/29/national/main6442729.shtml

25 posted on 11/18/2011 3:35:06 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: umgud
No E-Verify, no workee.
No E-Verify, no public assistance.
And in California . . . no free college degree.

26 posted on 11/18/2011 3:38:41 PM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: umgud
No E-Verify, no workee.
No E-Verify, no public assistance.

And in California . . . no free college degree.

27 posted on 11/18/2011 3:39:04 PM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: COBOL2Java
Here is a bit of information on the issue. Accurate? Maybe/partly.
28 posted on 11/18/2011 3:43:09 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: GOP Poet
California's uber-liberal governor Jerry Brown liked Rick Perry's instate tuition plan for ILLEGAL aliens so much he copied it.

California is now as bad as TX.

29 posted on 11/18/2011 3:45:02 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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30 posted on 11/18/2011 4:04:55 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: South40

Despite the headline, neither the story nor the research say anything about wages. The research does address total employment and finds that Arizona lost jobs faster than inland California or Nevada, Utah and New Mexico. The program has proven very successful in destroying jobs.


31 posted on 11/18/2011 4:16:21 PM PST by Qout
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To: COBOL2Java

Make that sign say “are eligible to fund their extinction” and it will be on target.


32 posted on 11/18/2011 4:20:29 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Qout
Buried in the story was this...

After this exodus of mostly illegal immigrants, wages did not budge for native-born residents, the study found.

33 posted on 11/18/2011 4:22:51 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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Buried in the story was this...

After this exodus of mostly illegal immigrants, wages did not budge for native-born residents, the study found.

Again


34 posted on 11/18/2011 4:25:33 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: South40

I don’t know what to believe anymore. I know they were strong enough to force AZ Senator Russell Pearce out of office.


35 posted on 11/18/2011 4:37:11 PM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: Qout

The research shows no such thing. It does address the effect of the recession on total employment.

LAWA is a great success. 92,000 more jobs available to legal residents.

The savings in welfare, education and health care services alone has been terrific.


36 posted on 11/18/2011 4:38:50 PM PST by free me (heartless)
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To: donna

“I don’t know what to believe anymore. I know they were strong enough to force AZ Senator Russell Pearce out of office”

Recall financed by the DNC and Soros


37 posted on 11/18/2011 5:03:35 PM PST by RBK
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To: RBK

And never one good or truthful word about Pearce on local news or talk radio.


38 posted on 11/18/2011 5:06:34 PM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: South40

“E-Verify, what the hell is that?”

Sincerely, Governor Perry.


39 posted on 11/18/2011 6:14:26 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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