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UN bashing is popular among Republican candidates (Perry a loud critic)
Google ^ | November 19, 2011 | ANITA SNOW

Posted on 11/19/2011 1:00:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

....Rick Perry says he would consider pulling the United States out of the U.N. altogether.

....One of the loudest U.N. critics among the candidates is Perry, the Texas governor who has recently slipped in the polls. "I think it's time for us to have a very serious discussion about defunding the United Nations," he declared in October.

Romney, the former Massachusettsgovernor, in 2007 characterized U.N. failures as "simply astonishing" but has been more measured during the current campaign.

U.N. supporters say that when the candidates bash the world organization, they are simply playing to the most conservative Republicans: the primary voters and caucus-goers needed early in the electoral contest.

"My sense is that if any of them were to be elected president, they would quickly realize that the U.N. serves American interests," said PeterYeo, vice president for publicpolicy of the U.N. Foundation, a nonprofit organization that supports the world body's work.

"They would find a way to constructively work within the U.N. system," Yeo added.

Detractors say that the candidates are just being truthful.

"I wouldn't call it U.N. bashing; I'd call it U.N. realism," said Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. "I think the issue for the United States is what to do to make the U.N. more effective, and the answer to that has to lie in how it is funded."

....The U.S. assessment is the highest — 22 percent of the total U.N. operating budget. By comparison, China pays 3 percent.

In the 2010 budget year, the U.S. provided $7.7 billion to the U.N. for its regular budget, peacekeeping and other programs, up from $6.1 billion the previous year.

House Republicans recently introduced legislation to force the U.N. to adopt a voluntary funding system. The administration opposes it and it is unlikely to become law.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: global; gopprimary; perry2012; un
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Nov. 11, 2011 VIDEO: Rick Perry interview today in Columbia 25 minute video – starting around 4:00 – 12:00 Perry speaks at length about Iran, allies and national defense.


1 posted on 11/19/2011 1:00:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All; shield
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2 posted on 11/19/2011 1:01:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Q: What are the three most important foreign policy issues facing the U.S. today?

Rick Perry: “Having a strong economy so that we have the economic ability to have an impactful foreign policy.

We must be able to keep up with our research and -development capabilities in the military.

And our very important foreign policy position must be that our friends know we’ll be there for them, whether it’s Israel in the Middle East or Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, or India in the sphere of influence where China is located.”

Perry Doctrine: "We Stand with our Allies"

3 posted on 11/19/2011 1:03:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
The CBS News/NJ GOP debate video

CBS News/NJ GOP debate Transcript

[snips]

Scott Pelley: ....Governor Perry, you advocate the elimination of the Department of Energy. If you eliminate the Department of Energy--

Rick Perry: Glad you remembered it.

Scott Pelley: I've had some time to think about it, sir.

Rick Perry: Me too.

Scott Pelley: If you eliminate the Department of Energy, what do you do with the nuclear weapons?

Rick Perry: Well, there are plenty of places in our government that can have oversight on our-- our nuclear energy. But let me back over to-- the question that you've asked before this about what is the most important thing from a strategic standpoint, commander in chief. For ten years, I have been the commander in chief of over 20,000-plus individuals in the State of Texas as we've dealt with a host of either natural disasters or having deployments-- into the combat zone. So, if there's someone on this stage who has had that hands-on commander in chief experience, it is me, as the governor of the State of Texas.

I've ha-- dealt with generals. I have individuals at the Department of Defense who have been at the highest levels both on the civilian side and on the military side that will help me make decisions about those issues that we face as a country. So, I feel very comfortable from day one of surrounding myself with individuals who have extraordinary backgrounds in national defense and will be able to put this country on a track that Americans will feel we know that we're gonna be secure.

Scott Pelley: And that's time, sir.

Rick Perry: Including the southern border of this country with Mexico.

Scott Pelley: And that's time, thank you.

[snip]

Rick Perry: Let me just address Congressman Paul. And I-- Congressman, I-- I respect that you wore the uniform of our country. But-- in 1972, I volunteered to serve the United States Air Force. And the idea that we have our young men and women in combat today, Senator, where there are people who would kill them in a heartbeat, under any circumstance, use any technique that they can, for us not to have the ability to try to extract information from them, to save our young people's lives, is a travesty. This is war. That's what happens in war. And I am for using the techniques, not torture, but using those techniques that we know will extract the information to save young American lives. And I will be for it until I die.

[snip]

Scott Pelley: Welcome back to South Carolina and the Republican commander in chief debate. Governor Perry, we just got a-- question via Twitter from Barbara McMann (PH). And Barbara asked this question of you. "Does Governor Perry's Foreign Aid Starts at Zero include Israel?"

Rick Perry: Well, as Governor Perry-- would tweet back to her that-- absolutely. Every country would start at zero. Obviously, Israel is a special ally. And my bet is that we would be funding them-- at some substantial level. But it makes sense for everyone to come in at zero and make your case. As a matter of fact, we oughta try that-- doin' that with some of those agencies that I was tryin' to think the name of the other night.

Starting at zero, zero-based budgeting, and Newt will share with you, is we've gotta go there. And everyone has to come in and make your case. It's what the American people are doin'. There's somebody at home sittin' watchin' T.V. tonight, lookin' for a job. And they're havin' to budget. Why in the world would our federal government get a pass on sending our tax dollars to any country--

Scott Pelley: And, Governor, I have to s--

Rick Perry: --without havin' an answer? Why?

[snip]

4 posted on 11/19/2011 1:08:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good idea.

Why Perry has not kept his appeal, has puzzled me. I am one of the few who do care about having a solid plan to deal with the illegale problem from the Washington end, which is why I am a Cainiac and not a Perrywinkle. But I’m not typical of the American who has fallen out of love with Perry and who yet cares very little about the illegales one way or another.


5 posted on 11/19/2011 1:17:12 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry is throwing out ideas he could never do, in order to get attention because his number is very low. Leave the UN (won't happen), cut congress to half time (won't happen). He's done this before in Texas, suggesting Texas secede from the US (wasn't going to happen).
6 posted on 11/19/2011 1:18:20 AM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Marcella
....He's done this before in Texas, suggesting Texas secede from the US (wasn't going to happen).

This is a flat out, bald-faced lie.

Show me where he did that.

7 posted on 11/19/2011 1:29:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Please present for this thread Cain’s “solid illegal plan.”


8 posted on 11/19/2011 1:30:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Anything which doesn’t consist of blowing hot and cold has got to be solider. (Heartless)


9 posted on 11/19/2011 1:37:11 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s no answer — because for you to answer, would mean you would have to give facts. And the facts don’t play well with your narrative.


10 posted on 11/19/2011 1:47:46 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All

The United Nations gave the world Secretary General Kurt Waldheim - former Nazi whose words are now sailing across the cosmos on Pioneer 10 and 11. Not saying you support UN just thread info.


11 posted on 11/19/2011 1:50:13 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; BillyBoy; Impy; South40

If I had a dime for every time you launched into that tired old schtick...

Face it, sugar, La Raza Rick would denounce anchovie sandwiches if he thought it would give him traction.


12 posted on 11/19/2011 1:53:55 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Nov. 18, 2011:

NEW YORK—Republican presidential hopeful Rick Perry says President Barack Obama and his administration are responsible for policies that have endangered agents patrolling the U.S.-Mexico border.

The Texas governor made his remarks while picking up an award from the Federal Law Enforcement Foundation.

Perry said lack of funding and “bureaucratic bungling” in Washington have made the border less safe.

He singled out one program in particular, Operation Fast and Furious. The arms-trafficking probe run by the Justice Department allowed AK-47s and other weapons to leak into the black market.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2809552/posts

“To say that the border is safer than ever is to turn a blind eye to the very real dangers of federal and state law enforcement,” Perry said. “Even worse he sweeps aside the fact there is bureaucratic bungling that has made the border substantially more dangerous. Through the ill-conceived operation know as “fast and furious,” for instance, our own federal government provided more than 2,000 firearms to some of the most dangerous criminals in North America, many of which are still unaccounted for. Federal law enforcement officials deserve an attorney general who displays the same courage and sense of responsibility with which they serve. And America deserves a president and a Congress willing to give law enforcement officials the support they need to truly support our border.”

http://blog.timesunion.com/capitol/archives/89626/perry-at-law-enforcement-lunch-blasts-the-border/

...”Perry, who was at the Waldorf Astoria event to receive the group’s State Service Award, often laments the dangers presented by drug cartels and describes parts of the border as “a war zone.”

On Friday, he reiterated that sentiment, saying, “Mexican drug cartels are a clear and present danger to America.”

Perry got an enthusiastic reception for his proposals for smaller government and for his assertion that members of Congress who use privileged information in stock dealings should be treated like criminals.

“Any congressman or senator who’s used their insider knowledge to trade, to make money in the stock market oughta go to jail, period,” he said to applause.”

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/18/8881560-perry-targets-holder-in-speech-to-law-enforcement-officials

NRO: “Perry Criticizes Administration Over Fast and Furious”

....”Perry pledged that if elected, he would increase by thousands the number of border patrol agents on the border, and use “aviation assets” to provide real-time information to those on the ground. “We must secure that border,” he emphasized.

Perry also touted his new “Uproot and Overhaul Washington” plan, particularly its elimination of lifetime terms for Supreme Court justices and its plank to cut congressional members’ pay in half and push for a part-time Congress. “In our home state, our legislature meets for 140 days, every other year,” he argued, noting that if a nation, Texas would be the world’s 13th largest economy.”...

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/283545/perry-criticizes-administration-over-fast-and-furious-katrina-trinko


13 posted on 11/19/2011 2:33:50 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"I wouldn't call it U.N. bashing; I'd call it U.N. realism," said Bolton, the former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. "I think the issue for the United States is what to do to make the U.N. more effective, and the answer to that has to lie in how it is funded."

Bolton is right on! As is Presidential candidate, Herman Cain. He said that the U. N. needs an "attitude adjustment." They are both correct.

The U. N. does have communist roots, and vile members; plus it favors "One World" government and would like to collect income taxes from Americans to empower itself. Democrats favor that U. N. position.

14 posted on 11/19/2011 3:00:37 AM PST by olezip
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It sure ain’t “aww, that poor camel that just about is all the way in the tent, why shove it out.”


15 posted on 11/19/2011 3:02:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Is that Cain’s position?


16 posted on 11/19/2011 3:08:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is a flat out, bald-faced lie.

Show me where he did that.

Here it is from April, 2009.......

Texans have a “different feeling about independence,” Perry told the group.

“When we came into the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a stand-alone nation,” the governor can be heard saying. “And one of the deals was, we can leave anytime we want. So we’re kind of thinking about that again.”

It suggests secession, no question about it. Whether he's joking or wrong can be argued, but not the fact he ever mentioned it.

17 posted on 11/19/2011 3:10:33 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: edpc

From the anti-Perry MSM article:

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/2012-presidential-election/more-perry-remarks-about-secession-come-light/

...”An obscure interview with Perry, posted on the internet more than two years ago, has resurfaced as part of a harsh video put together by a group of Texas Democrats who don’t want the Republican governor to be elected president. The Democrats found the interview on YouTube, originally posted in March 2009, and included it in a four-minute attack on Perry emailed to supporters last weekend.”....


18 posted on 11/19/2011 3:15:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s surprising his opponents would try to make use of the comment? Doesn’t change the fact he said it. I’m not entirely sure it’s not a legitimate option under certain circumstances.


19 posted on 11/19/2011 3:21:07 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Whatever Cain thinks, it doesn’t seem to be that. Like a myriad of issues, if pressed he’ll say he’ll field it to a team of experts. That doesn’t mean he’ll waffle once he’s heard from the experts.


20 posted on 11/19/2011 3:26:47 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: edpc

It’s a Texas thing — and a joke as well as a reminder of our independent streak — one that has held Texas in good stead during this Obama recession.

At the Tea Party rally while Gov. Perry was fired up and talking about the over-reach of the Federal government, someone shouted out, “Secede.”

Perry: “There’s a lot of different scenarios. We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we’re a pretty independent lot to boot.”

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But I see that the Dems want to make this a “racist Civil War declaration” — but the Dems do that, don’t they?


21 posted on 11/19/2011 4:10:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Morphing again HTRN?


22 posted on 11/19/2011 4:11:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Marcella; Cincinatus' Wife; edpc
Perry's secession statement is as meaningless as the "rock" issue. Both are non issues.

Click here to view

23 posted on 11/19/2011 4:25:04 AM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: Boston Blackie
These are issues:

The Vetoes of Rick Perry - As Texas governor, he broke records and earned conservative support.....In Texas, they called it the “Father’s Day Massacre.”....

Betting on Rick Perry - a winner in a GOP year, with no need in the world to win liberal approval ………..”IT WILL BE THE JOBS ISSUE—and Texas’s record in creating them—that will define Rick Perry’s presidential run. Since he became governor in 2001, the U.S. as a whole has had a net loss of private-sector jobs, while Texas—which has only 8 percent of the nation’s population—has had a net gain of 825,000 jobs.

Richard Fisher, president of the Dallas Federal Reserve Board, told me that if you look at the number of jobs created since the recession technically ended in June 2009, Texas has accounted for 48 percent of net new jobs created in the U.S.

Fisher also disparages claims that the jobs are all low-paying jobs at McDonald’s or Walmart, paying the minimum wage, or that they were primarily caused by the oil and natural gas boom. According to Tom Pauken of the Texas Work Force Commission, the annual median wage in Texas in 2010 for all occupations was $31,500 a year, only 7 percent below the national average. That difference is easily explained by the fact that Texas has a younger workforce than most states and a higher percentage of workers in lower-pay agriculture jobs near the border with Mexico. [ CW: Cost of living in Texas is lower than many other states; Texas has no state income tax; Texas is a right to work state.]

As for where the job growth has been, three sectors of the economy have grown faster than the energy sector, which alone added 40,500 net new jobs in 2010. Last year, Texas added 57,900 new jobs in trade, transportation, and utilities; a total of 53,400 jobs in professional and business services; and 44,900 net new jobs in the hospitality industry.

For each of the past seven years, CEOs polled by “Chief Executive” magazine have rated Texas first in the nation for economic development climate and job growth. What is the secret of Texas’s success? Rick Perry isn’t shy about his answer. “It’s all about four points,” he told me. “First, don’t spend all the money. Keep the taxes low and under control. Have regulations that are fair and predictable so business owners know what to expect from one quarter to the next. And reform the legal system so that frivolous lawsuits don’t paralyze employers who are trying to create real wealth.”

If there is on issue which Perry has made a personal crusade, it is lawsuit reform. Working with the legislature, he has helped pass curbs on frivolous lawsuits, implemented a first-in-the-nation system under which loser pays all court costs in many lawsuits, and reformed medical malpractice law.

Dick Weekley, the co-founder of Texans for Lawsuit Reform, says Perry showed genuine political courage in resisting calls for watered-down reforms that wouldn’t have addressed the core problem. He recalls that in 2002 Perry vetoed a bill strongly supported by doctors that would have required them to prompt payment from health maintenance organizations. In the eyes of the tort reform advocates, the bill was a Trojan Horse compromise negotiated between doctors and trial lawyers. “There was a huge response from physicians [against the veto],” Kim Ross, the former top lobbyist for the Texas Medical Association, said. TMA went so far as to endorse Tony Sanchez, Perry’s millionaire Democratic opponent in the 2002 election. “Perry sent a signal that he wanted real reform and would stand his ground,” Weekley told me. “Soon the medical lobbyists playing footsie with the trial lawyers were gone and the obstacles to real reform started falling.”………………..

*********************************************

AND now the TMA is endorsing Gov. Rick Perry. They understand now what he was doing would HELP them.

...."The Texas Medical Association’s political action committee recently endorsed him for president, and its members are helping him raise money and make connections with medical groups in other states.".... source

24 posted on 11/19/2011 4:54:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

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25 posted on 11/19/2011 5:05:44 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Marcella
He's done this before in Texas, suggesting Texas secede from the US (wasn't going to happen).

Typical of the Perry haters - they misconstrue facts with fanasy and buy MSM BS that's designed to pollute our Primaries with division. You take an off-hand remark that was designed to make a point and which cannot be construed as an intent in order to feed the lie (look it up and dig until you find the true words in context).

I'd hate to work with you - it's possible your personality might make you one of those who try to make others look bad so you look good - at least that's how you treat the candidates you aren't for....

26 posted on 11/19/2011 5:15:48 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

For anyone who might be interested, Rep. Ron Paul introduced H.R. 1146, 1997-03-20, a bill to withdraw from the United Nations.


28 posted on 11/19/2011 6:21:31 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: Designer

Good!

Another Texan.


29 posted on 11/19/2011 6:35:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

UN bashing? Yawn. Same empty threats the GOP has been trotting out for quite some time. If the GOP is so committed to the UN’s elimination, why was no action taken when Dubya was in office and the GOP controlled the Congress? Answer - its a useful bloody shirt to wave in front of the primary election crowd.


30 posted on 11/19/2011 7:01:04 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Marcella
Perry is throwing out ideas he could never do, in order to get attention

Every politician does this. It's hardly unique to Perry. Newt did a commercial where he sat on couch in front of the Capitol with Nancy Pelosi and ranted against Global Warming. Can you make that OK?

31 posted on 11/19/2011 7:18:18 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Yes, they’re obviously trying to link it to the Civil War, which is a huge stretch.


32 posted on 11/19/2011 10:27:57 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Boston Blackie

If you mean it’s a non-issue in the sense it’s related to 1860s secession, then yes....I’d agree. However, it was brought up here because there seemed to be some contention if he ever suggested secession, which he clearly did.


33 posted on 11/19/2011 10:31:53 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As you can see, I wasn't lying - I do not lie on this board or anywhere else. You owe me an apology. My point was, he's in trouble and using “get out of the UN”, “shut down congress to half time” in order to try to get interest back to him. He can't do either of those two things and I wish he hadn't said them. I know Perry and like him but he's not doing himself any good by throwing these comments out there. I live in Texas and have worked for his re-election since he first ran for Lt. Governor. I don't think he can debate Obama and that gives us Obama again and that would be a tragedy.
34 posted on 11/19/2011 11:20:03 AM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Marcella

I am sorry.

I thought you were talking about his address to the Tea Party rally.


35 posted on 11/19/2011 12:01:36 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Marcella
......I don't think he can debate Obama and that gives us Obama again and that would be a tragedy.

I totally disagree. Perry will wipe the floor with this poser, Obama.

36 posted on 11/19/2011 12:02:51 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks shield.


37 posted on 11/19/2011 2:40:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Cincinatus' Wife

LOL.

I almost admire your persistence CW.

Doesn’t Rick ever give you a day off?


38 posted on 11/19/2011 11:46:22 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Marcella
He's done this before in Texas, suggesting Texas secede from the US (wasn't going to happen).

He never suggested any such thing.

It's just one of the many lies being perpetrated here on FR and swallowed by those who don't bother to check.

Just like the ones going around saying he has an "open borders policy" when he has just the opposite.

But the Tiny Hyenas say it every chance they get because they know a few poor slobs will just eat it right up without bothering to look into it.

39 posted on 11/19/2011 11:52:53 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Impy

No rest for the wicked.


40 posted on 11/19/2011 11:55:37 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Allegra

What’s the difference between the UN on Turtle Bay and the protests that are going on at Zucotti Park ?


41 posted on 11/20/2011 12:11:43 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: Marcella
"He can't do either of those two things and I wish he hadn't said them."


There are a lot of things a President cannot do, but that does not mean he/she should not discuss them. The Presidential bully pulpit is a very powerful tool to shape the agenda by rallying public opinion. I am not a Perry supporter, but am glad to see him introduce such ideas in into the public debate.
42 posted on 11/20/2011 11:25:23 AM PST by rob777
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