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To: Eleutheria5


The specific phrases have to be put in the complete context of what was going on to be intellectually honest.

There are SEVERAL AND VARIOUS ethnic groups that are part of the American citizenry who are very concerned with the situation within the nations of their ancestry.

Now we see the wisdom of Vattel’s commentaries on NATURAL-BORN citizen. The first-generation immigrant will very often retain a mental connection to the “old country”.

I have ancestors from foreign nations. But it’s been so many generations - I CONSIDER MYSELF AN AMERICAN. I do not, therefore, believe that America has any responsibility or right to place the interests of what’s going on in those nations higher in priority than American national interests.

So here we see the rub. An “old country” has problems, the newly minted U.S. citizens from the “old country” cry to the American government for help. ANY country that cries to America for help, and has a cause that is righteous and not nefarious, like perhaps overthrowing a tyrant, is a country that America should begin to think of in terms of helping to achieve their righteous aims (none other). After all, French assistance was essential to the founding of the U.S. That being said, it is a dangerous and risky business which might damage diplomatic relations with other nations. This help, therefore, can become quite difficult if offering it will cause serious damage to America’s reputation and own cause.

IMHO, an American President should make it clear to any and every nation that America helped in ANY way - that we expect SUPPORT FROM THEM IN RETURN. Our help is not free. We are a Judeo-Christian nation - AND A NON-COMMUNIST nation. Also, most important - we would need that nation to stand up for itself in the face of their enemies, not continually give in to them, as this throws away the good that came of our help. How angry would France have been if America had the British force at Yorktown on the ropes and then just let them go, and sent a letter of surrendor to King George, promising to pay whatever tax the British Parliament desired and not requesting anything like “representation”. France would have wasted all it’s efforts on a bunch of cowards who could not complete the deal. Instead, America forged a new nation and repaid it’s war debts.

If a nation seeking help finds it impossible to support us on those principles, both publicly and behind the scenes, then I’d see no reason to provide any help.

The last thing I’d want to do is sacrifice blood and treasure helping A SOVEREIGN NATION - which has a responsibility to have all the answers for the protection of it’s citizens - out from between a rock and a hard place and then have that same sovereign nation stab us in the back down the road. Pieter no like that. Pieter no do business that way.

IMHO, you’re either for us or against us, and it is wisest to let nations be against us if they’re not 100% for us.

America seems to be in the business, over the last 150 years, of letting tons of immigrants in for cheap labor and cheap votes. The immigrants are coming to grab the golden eggs laid by the American goose. That “goose” is when people live by faith in God, which provides moral, i.e., pleasant living conditions including moral education and entertainments, the rule of law and prosperity. Some number of immigrants (certainly not all), retain the thinking that ruined the country where they emmigrated from and actually pass it on to their children. Generations later the children of those same immigrants try to idiotically impose the stupid thinking of the country of their ancestry on America - refusing to admit to themselves that the golden eggs are coming from the American goose and that their “old country” ideas are killing it.

Most Americans are no so foolish to ignore the fact that the Bolshevik revolution, despite it’s stated aim of ending miseries under the Tsar, yielded nothing but misery itself. It became, in essence, the new Tsar; nothing really changed. And when most Americans hear the same old 100-year-old tired, worn-out phrases of the communists coming out of bill ayer’s mouth, they see a small core leadership of the communists in America trying to paint the U.S. government as the old Russian Tsar. And they clearly see these communists asking the young and the confused of America to pursue their faux Tsar under their leadership in a manner most pathetically naive and Quixotic, yet brazenly treasonous.

Immigration can work exceedingly well. Living in NJ I see immigrants from Korea - by the second generation - rising from almost no net worth on arrival to fully embracing America and realizing all the benefits of living in this great nation. Notably this embrace often includes the Christian faith. And this is done with long days of diligent work, not waiting for government checks. They do not seek to “take over America” or to “change” America.

There is, therefore, no excuse for anyone wanting to change the principles America is based on - it’s possible to embrace the ideals of faith and freedom and to reap their rewards.

To really help the “old country”, those who immigrated from there to America should really be championing those ideals in the minds of those still in the “old country” so that it may be best able to protect itself, prosper and make the best use of a friendly relationship with America. The nations of the world have come to think that regardless of how much they oppose America, that America somehow owes them a guaranteed paycheck and guaranteed protection; islamic nations even go so far as to think that America not only owes them, but should subjugate herself to them despite their continued attacks on her and her allies.

Many Americans, like Pieter, are really fed up with the whole mess.


29 posted on 11/19/2011 12:50:17 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Excellent points. Thank you.

30 posted on 11/19/2011 12:55:20 PM PST by thecodont
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