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Sen. David Vitter pushes for caps on food stamps
http://www.nola.com ^ | November 19, 2011, 9:00 PM

Posted on 11/19/2011 7:27:23 PM PST by BBell

Sen. David Vitter, R-La., joined last week with three other conservative GOP senators to propose caps on means-tested federal social welfare programs. It would require that funding for food stamps and 76 other federal welfare programs be capped at pre-2007 levels by 2015 or when unemployment falls below 7.5 percent, whichever comes sooner.

It would require that food stamps be limited to essential foods such as milk and bread, as the senators said the program was originally envisioned, not, as it is in four states -- California, Florida, Arizona and Michigan -- for purchases at fast-food restaurants.

"One of the most significant substantive accomplishments coming out of the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress was welfare reform," Vitter said. "But as significant as this reform was, we are overdue to renew welfare reform efforts and make additional gains because the welfare state has grown enormously since then -- even factoring our recession."

Democrats have said that the reason that food stamp use is up substantially is because of the current high unemployment levels and pay cuts for many Americans.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: foodstamps; sourcetitlenoturl; vitter
The Dims and the MSM will brand this a Republican anti-poor campaign.
1 posted on 11/19/2011 7:27:24 PM PST by BBell
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To: BBell

How about a cap on section 8 grants, I hear in NYC some of the “poor” have higher rents than half of America earns.


2 posted on 11/19/2011 7:29:47 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: BBell

Its not going to go anywhere. Let David Vitter and Senators cut their obscenely fat pay checks before they put Americans on a starvation diet!


3 posted on 11/19/2011 7:30:42 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: BBell

Food stamps are federal but doled out by the states. When Jenny Granholm was governor here, she gave them to all college students regardless of need. (Even wealthy trust fund babies could get them)

A couple months back we cut some 30,000 students off grub stubs saving some $75 million.


4 posted on 11/19/2011 7:31:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: BBell

I want to abolish all 76+ federal welfare programs and replace them with a single monthly cash lump sum. Imagine dumping all of that bureaucracy on the unemployment line. Imagine the cost of overhead dropping 80%, heck half of the welfare budget doesn’t even get to the recipients.

A monthly cash dole. You gotta show up once a month and your residence must submit to the possibility of an “audit” to make sure you are poor enough.

That would be my idea. I’d have no chance to be elected. lol


5 posted on 11/19/2011 7:32:22 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: BBell

in the state of the californicate everyone hates to discover

that the mexicans ahead of you in the supermarket line

are using food stamps.

it slows the line d...o...w...n.


6 posted on 11/19/2011 7:33:59 PM PST by ken21
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To: GeronL

I would also add random drug tests, just like in the work place. If you have enough money for drugs, you don’t need welfare.


7 posted on 11/19/2011 7:35:19 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: BBell

“Sen. David Vitter pushes for caps on food stamps”

Forget caps, how about Pork Pie Hats?


8 posted on 11/19/2011 7:36:13 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: American in Israel

and make it only available for US citizens or at least LEGAL residents


9 posted on 11/19/2011 7:36:42 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: goldstategop

I haven’t hunted in years but I’m seriously considering a return to it. Two reporting stations in my area reported 1000 deer taken in the first 48 hours of the season. That’s up considerably from recent years and I think the economy has a lot to do with that.


10 posted on 11/19/2011 7:36:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: GeronL
It's easier than that. Just watch for a change of address. That's usually a sign of significant economic adjustment ~ could be up, could be down.

The Roosevelt regime established that as a touchstone for CUTTING OFF WELFARE until a case worker could get out to visit you at your new address.

11 posted on 11/19/2011 7:37:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Sounds good to me.


12 posted on 11/19/2011 7:38:08 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ken21

“Means test” is political pablum. How about citizen test?


13 posted on 11/19/2011 7:40:09 PM PST by charleywhiskey
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To: GeronL
It's still the law. Although most Republicans are supposed to believe (and many Democrats also fear) that Welfare Reform cleaned the rolls the cold hard facts are that the USPS "move update" standard did the job.

Without going into the convoluted discussion of how that works, I was there, present, when Virginia ran its list against the Move Update file and saw HALF of their welfare recipients DISQUALIFIED pending a visit by a welfare case worker.

It was truly startling. Word spread nationwide and before it was over half the welfare rolls in America had been cut in half.

I'm sure there are still some welfare cheats but the fact there's been recent growth in the rolls is probably due to LONG TERM UNEMPLOYMENT ~ and that's caused by JOB LOSS.

If Vitter is of the impression food stamp demand is driven by greed to the exclusion of need he's trying to avoid the real problems.

It's not likely he can balance the budget out of the Food Stamp Program.

14 posted on 11/19/2011 7:43:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ken21

Watched an obviously new illegal alien walk into a CVS with his friend who was teaching him all the tricks....his friend showed him how to swipe his EBT card as he bought a candy bar for 1.00, and got 25.00 cash using his card. They walked across the street to a package store and came out with a brown bag, doing scratch tickets.

America...what a country!


15 posted on 11/19/2011 7:44:14 PM PST by bitt ( Obama is so unpopular now that the Kenyans say he was definitely born in Hawaii)
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To: bitt

In Maryland its called the “independence card”. The steamed crab place has a huge sign that reads: “Independence Card Welcomed Here”. Steamed crabs? Seriously?


16 posted on 11/19/2011 7:48:03 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: BBell

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17 posted on 11/19/2011 8:00:40 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: goldstategop
I have no problem with some people being put on what you call "a starvation diet".

I know a couple who got $400 a month on food stamps, for 2 people.

I make a good hourly wage. I commonly work 50-60 hours a week, and shop sales and spend $200 a month on food. I think I eat pretty darn well too. If I can, so can others.

If $200 chuck is good enough for me, its good enough for others who are getting food stamps. When they're back to work and not on government aid, they can buy and pay whatever they want for food.

18 posted on 11/19/2011 8:03:01 PM PST by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: icwhatudo
In Maryland its called the “independence card”. The steamed crab place has a huge sign that reads: “Independence Card Welcomed Here”. Steamed crabs? Seriously?

I find it ironic that something called an "Independence Card" is being carried by people who are dependent on the taxpayer for at least a portion of their sustenance. ;-)
19 posted on 11/19/2011 8:03:57 PM PST by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: icwhatudo
I don't have any problem at all with limiting what can be bought with food stamps. Fruit, vegetables, bread, milk, eggs, and staples. No snacks, candy, sodas, convenience food, fast food, and no change back.

Better yet, go back to handing out dried beans and peas, rice, powdered milk, peanut butter, flour, cornmeal, canned tuna, butter, cheese, and the like.

If people are hungry and really need the food, they will take it. If not, then they didn't need it in the first place, now did they?

20 posted on 11/19/2011 8:09:51 PM PST by susannah59
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To: icwhatudo

shaddup and eat your peas. with no ham.

I checked out behind a woman with $300. of steak, pork and lobster, gatorade, soda, prepared meals, ice cream, candy, etc. etc. First she used her WIC card and got some of the stuff FREE. Then she paid the rest using her EBT card.

The people in line with me were all muttering, as we shuffled our spam and eggs along the checkout, readying our coupons...

here’s my new favorite video...

Judge Judy “here’s who you support with your taxes”

http://revolutionarypolitics.tv/video/viewVideo.php?video_id=15915


21 posted on 11/19/2011 8:12:01 PM PST by bitt ( Obama is so unpopular now that the Kenyans say he was definitely born in Hawaii)
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To: Milton Miteybad

Bread and milk? It should be confined to rice and beans-a complete protein. Just think of all the fatties who will lose weight rather than eat the boring stuff.


22 posted on 11/19/2011 8:12:08 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: BBell

EVERYONE is yelling about the outrageous behavior of Congress and their meaningless vote buying spending.

The best Vitter can come up with is CUT FOOD STAMPS in the middle of 9% unemployment.

I mean save us from the brain dead Repub members of Congress.

I can’t believe Vitter is THIS stupid.


23 posted on 11/19/2011 8:17:31 PM PST by marty60
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To: icwhatudo
Crabs are a very rich source of protein, and around the Chesapeake Bay they probably aren't as expensive as they are inland (where you have to start with dead frozen crabs of unknown origin that may contain deadly toxins).

So, yeah, you can walk in a Safeway or Giant around here and when crabs are in good supply, and cheap, you can get them steamed ~ all the stores have giant steamers to handle seafood here.

I'd suggest you stay away from crabs (which will leave more of them for those of us who live here where we can get them fresh).

24 posted on 11/19/2011 8:20:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: GeronL

But you’re still means testing it, and still need your poverty auditors.

Milton Friedman pointed out that the only redistribution program which does not create perverse incentives by “subsidizing poverty” (as Jack Kemp used to say, if you subsidize something, you get more of it) is a guaranteed minimum income paid to everyone, regardless of other income, but then treated as part of one’s taxable income.

If being “poor enough” is the criterion for getting money for nothing, folks who are almost “poor enough” will not do anything to earn money to insure they are “poor enough”.

Under Friedman’s scheme, there would be no disincentive for working. Of course, besides abolishing all the other poverty programs, and tossing out all the poverty bureaucrats, one would have to jigger the tax code, esp. at the bottom end, to pay for it — among other things abolishing the earned income tax credit, cutting probably personal exemptions (after all everyone’s getting the monthly check, why have exemptions?) and probably raising the bottom marginal rate slightly.


25 posted on 11/19/2011 9:08:04 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: ken21

Food stamps are swipe cards today. If it’s an all food purchase the customer can get in and out as fast as with a normal debit card.

The slowdown comes when the customer is unfamiliar with the nomenclature or system used by the particular store’s point of sale terminals, and when it’s a mixed transaction. Walgreen’s for one, does not know how to do “use up my Link (Illinois food stamp) card on this all food purchase, then present me with a balance due in cash that I will pay.” You have to say exactly how much you want to use from the Link card, and it won’t show you what you got. Ah, and Spanish speaking customers only add another level of difficulty navigating the system. Do any of these terminals have a “mash this button for Espanol”? I think Wal-Mart does but I’m not positive.

Fast-foods, it depends on what the fast food is whether it’s a frugal buy. Some are, like WhackDonald’s $1 double cheeseburger with only one piece of cheese, as are beverages that can be endlessly refilled on that visit.

Several years ago, the USDA supposedly found that food stamp users were virtually no more likely to buy particularly junky foods (like salted snacks) than the ordinary cash customer. That makes sense, because the monthly limit on the card is denominated in dollars, and such foods are not usually frugal purchases. Even bums aren’t spendthrifts when their budget is fixed. So the USDA recommended forgoing the overhead required to supervise the types of foods purchased with food stamps.


26 posted on 11/19/2011 9:12:47 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: bitt

She’s either planning to put on a spread, or will quickly discover no more food for the rest of the month.


27 posted on 11/19/2011 9:14:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: The_Reader_David

Dumping 75 of the bureaucracies would leave a lot of people available for the the auditor jobs, lol.

I don’t like the idea of a “guaranteed minimum income” because who is paying it? The government? He$$ NO. I want to get government out of the business of handing out money to ANYONE personally. My idea of merging all welfare is just one step.


28 posted on 11/19/2011 9:15:52 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Who’s paying for your means-tested cash dole?

Ideally, Friedman’s plan would be implemented in such a way that the net cost would be about the same as your suggestion, but the mechanism would be different — no need to check that folks qualify, just recollect a lot of it in taxes, and (the important thing) it creates no disincentive for the poor to get work, because unlike a means-tested dole, getting work doesn’t cut off their benefits, just obliges them to pay taxes.

It’s not actually ideal. It would be better to have the government not in the income-redistribution business at all. But it might be politically feasible to get to from here, whereas just abolishing poverty programs probably isn’t.


29 posted on 11/19/2011 9:29:44 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David

*sigh*

Any plan that basically puts everyone on the government payroll is anathema to liberty. My idea is to step phase out all transfer payments to individuals.

In the real world once you start a “guaranteed minimum income” it will be increased by politicians until those who choose not to work are better off than those who work. Then we’re even worse off than we started.

Any politician who calls for stopping the checks will never get elected.

Conservatism in any form will be OVER.


30 posted on 11/19/2011 9:38:32 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: marty60

Vitter is indeed that stupid. I seriously think some of these GOPers want to stay in the minority


31 posted on 11/19/2011 9:41:31 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

or, as is also common, will sell the stuff for cash....


32 posted on 11/19/2011 9:54:00 PM PST by bitt ( Obama is so unpopular now that the Kenyans say he was definitely born in Hawaii)
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To: bitt

Common scam unfortunately. Some are owners of small stores and can turn a profit. It’s hard to know what kind of monkey would be on someone’s back to starve but sell $200 worth of food for $100.


33 posted on 11/19/2011 9:56:54 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

‘Bread and milk? It should be confined to rice and beans-a complete protein. Just think of all the fatties who will lose weight rather than eat the boring stuff.’

Wild curiosity compels me to ask: where are the homeless people supposed to cook the rice and beans? There are more people living in their cars than you might think.


35 posted on 11/20/2011 1:26:26 AM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: GeronL

HOW ABOUT TEACHING THEM TO CUT coupons.


36 posted on 11/20/2011 2:28:07 AM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: All

Every EBT card should have the recipients face on it and merchants that don’t check ID should be fined heavily. A few undercover stings leaked to the media would stop this.

This would also cut down on the EBT cards being traded for crack and heroin.

Heroin abuser needs to “get good” so they trade the balance on their EBT card to the local dealer then report it lost. They then get a new one with a new pin number. It’s a racket and with no end in sight.


37 posted on 11/20/2011 3:01:56 AM PST by Molon Labbie ("It's free, swipe your EBT!")
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To: ken21

That or WIC. I got behind a gal and her boyfriend or husband that had 3 kids in the basket and one in her belly.
I gripe and moan to the cashier every time.


38 posted on 11/20/2011 9:09:22 AM PST by sheana
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