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SUPER FAILURE: Deficit Committee Certain To Announce Failure Tomorrow
TBI ^ | 11-20-2011 | Zeke Miller

Posted on 11/20/2011 7:14:06 AM PST by blam

SUPER FAILURE: Deficit Committee Certain To Announce Failure Tomorrow

Zeke Miller
Nov. 20, 2011, 8:33 AM

It's over. After months of posturing and secret negotiations, the super committee has failed at its task of reaching $1.2 trillion in deficit cuts.

Via POLITICO's Mike Allen:

The official deadline for action by the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction is Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving. The real deadline is Monday night, since any plan has to be posted for 48 hours before it's voted on. So conversations this weekend revolved around how to shut this turkey down. Aides expect some "Hail Mary" offers on Sunday, and there's something on the stove that could be inoffensive to both sides. But the committee may not even have a fig-leaf agreement to announce. Total, embarrassing failure. The markets and the country will hate it.

The most likely scenario: The co-chairs, Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas), on Monday will issue a short joint statement with the basic message: "This marriage is over." Other possibilities are to hold a short going-out-of-business hearing, or to vote down a Republican proposal and a Democratic proposal. But one aide says: "Few, if any, one either side, want a final, ugly food fight ... The chairs are working to figure out how to put the appropriate period on the sentence and do so in the most dignified manner possible. ... [Don't expect] a showdown of dueling voters and a ton of fingerpointing."

For weeks the committee has been stalemated over taxes — with Democrats refusing to extend the Bush tax cuts as part of an agreement, and Republicans unwilling to do so without it (though even their offers of new revenues didn't have the support of many in their caucus).

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(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cuts; debts; defense; deficits

1 posted on 11/20/2011 7:14:07 AM PST by blam
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To: blam
Your Guide To The Mandatory Spending Cuts That Will Take Effect When The Super Committee Fails
2 posted on 11/20/2011 7:17:17 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

We just need a super-DUPER committee to get this all solved. Big government solves all problems!


3 posted on 11/20/2011 7:17:27 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: blam
A statement of Nihilism: "Nothing s true. Everything is permitted."

Our government now represents Nihilism. There are no laws. No deadlines. Money means nothing. Debt means nothing. Nothing is true.

And government can do whatever the eff it wants.

4 posted on 11/20/2011 7:17:35 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Roll the stone away, Let the guilty pay, It's Independence Day)
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To: blam
And of course the lamestream media is already saying that the poor, elderly, leo's, firemen and all of those wonderful govt. employees will be severely hurt by this horrific automatic spending cut.

Pfft...

5 posted on 11/20/2011 7:18:35 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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6 posted on 11/20/2011 7:19:20 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: blam

THIS WAS A DECEPTION FROM THE START

They wanted the ‘automatic’ cuts that will gut the military, and the tax increases

So they get what they wanted all along, by purposely failing


7 posted on 11/20/2011 7:20:45 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: bigdirty

Obama came up with the SuperCommittee idea, to point the finger and blame for his big spending programs.


8 posted on 11/20/2011 7:21:09 AM PST by FreedBird
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To: blam
I think Conservatives are going to have to change tactics. During the Clinton years we thought split Government was a good thing because it paralyzed DC from doing anything stupid. However now that we need DC to actually clean up some of the messes the professional political class have created, split Govt in DC is paralyzing it.

We need to send an overwhelming message in 2012 that this "politics as usual" crap has got to end.

9 posted on 11/20/2011 7:21:36 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: blam

I’m not sure why anyone believed that a smaller subset of the same dysfunctional body would come up with any less dysfunctional of a result.


10 posted on 11/20/2011 7:21:40 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: blam

The Democrats keep looking at the poor job approval ratings for congress, so they’re trying to paint the congress as being controlled by the Republicans. Of course, their lapdogs in the old media are helping them. “Things would be much better if we could just get rid of these obstructionist Republicans and do what we want to do.”
Why, we’ve got problems...right here in River City! That’s Problem with a capital P and that rhymes with D and that stands for Democrat!


12 posted on 11/20/2011 7:24:39 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blam

Failure ordered by Obama.


13 posted on 11/20/2011 7:24:59 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: blam

We have to be the dumbest people on earth. Every one on that commitee should be booted in 2012 and the nutjob who came up with that idea.


14 posted on 11/20/2011 7:25:35 AM PST by Rappini (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: blam

This has been the plan all along. Why even pretend that this is somehow ‘news’?


15 posted on 11/20/2011 7:26:33 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Mr. K

“They wanted the ‘automatic’ cuts “
Yes, because the automatic cuts avoids a government shutdown.

If the congress worked as intended the House would pass a budget with it’s R majority and the Senate would not pass a budget because it’s R minority would filibuster.
A budget close to the House budget- with it’s Tea Party influence- would result. Unless the Senate was willing to shut the government down.

The RINOs and Dems teamed up to prevent that from happening.


16 posted on 11/20/2011 7:28:45 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: blam

$1.2 Trillion? Do they not understand that we are $15 Trillion in debt? They are looking at Military and Medicare cuts. Yes, these programs need to be looked at but what about everything else our government wastes money on? Like all the regulations that drive companies out of business?


17 posted on 11/20/2011 7:29:24 AM PST by RC2
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To: blam

"Super Committee Super Bowl: Scoring the Big Game"
By ERIC PIANIN and JENNIFER DEPAUL,
The Fiscal Times, November 18, 2011

Interesting "sports" analysis.[pages 1,2]

Pick Your Play:

18 posted on 11/20/2011 7:33:13 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: blam
[Don't expect] a showdown of dueling voters and a ton of fingerpointing."

You can bet Obama will be fingerpointing.

19 posted on 11/20/2011 7:34:19 AM PST by umgud
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To: Mr. K

The dirty little secret is the auto cuts don’t start till 2013!


20 posted on 11/20/2011 7:34:32 AM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: bigdirty

Like we didn’t see this coming...these partisan hacks have had their finger in this mess for years and now they are charged with fixing it? The more this administration comes up with “ideas” the more alarmed if become.

So typical of this not ready for prime time administration.


21 posted on 11/20/2011 7:36:37 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland ( Obama, President of the Democrats and Joe Biden, VP are the top morons of the DNC.)
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To: blam
From Super Super Committee Bowl Scoring the Big Game Most Valuable Player[above wth photo] --

If any committee member deserves a political trophy, it would be Republican Sen. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. When Toomey was first appointed to the panel, it was seen as a nod to the Tea Party which helped sweep him into office last year. But over the past few months, he has morphed into a key negotiator. It was Toomey who authored the GOP $1.5 trillion deficit plan that would raise $500 billion in new revenue by closing some loopholes and capping deductions.

22 posted on 11/20/2011 7:37:31 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: RC2

The media believe that
facts are boring and people
just want opinions—the
more strongly held the
better because that
makes for better television.

[Except]"Twenty years ago, billionaire Ross Perot captivated the country with charts and graphs showing the true nature of our budget problem and he received a substantial number of votes for president in 1992 and 1996. Why no one is doing the same today is a mystery. I even had to Google Perot’s name just to see if he is still alive. (He is.) Unfortunately, the media believe that facts are boring and people just want opinions—the more strongly held the better because that makes for better television. And politicians are by nature purveyors of lies and mischaracterizations. But at some point, people need to know the truth."

"Sadly, the super committee missed an opportunity to use its mandate to help educate the American people, spending most of its time behind closed doors search for a painless cure for deficit spending that won’t increase anyone’s taxes or cut anyone’s benefits. But the real failure of leadership is President Obama’s. He alone has the power to get the nation’s attention and give them the facts the way Perot once did. But Obama has never done it and now it may be too late to avoid a budgetary train wreck when the super committee inevitably fails in its mission."

"Given these misperceptions, it’s not surprising that people consistently oppose cutting popular programs like Social Security and Medicare or raising taxes to deal with the deficit. They don’t think it’s necessary. Just cut foreign aid, many apparently believe."

"What is critically necessary if we are to solve our budget problem is for people to get the correct information about the composition of government spending. Since it is rare for anyone in politics or the media to ever tell them, average people can be forgiven for not knowing basic facts. Unfortunately, their ignorance allows demagogues to lead them down the primrose path of costless and painless cures for deficits.

Source

23 posted on 11/20/2011 7:47:53 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Jeff Chandler

I think in that picture he found out that his favorite tanning place was going out of business


24 posted on 11/20/2011 7:58:03 AM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: blam
Of course this is going to fail, that was the intention all along. Did anyone for one second think that a committee with an equal number of R and D would compromise in an election year? The truth is that at least the GOP came up with some ideas, but they were promptly shot down because they didn't include tax increases. Of course the MSM basically ignores this.

So now, as we conservatives figured out, it gives Hussein cover for the lousy economy ["Hey the committee couldn't come to a decision, not my fault."] and he gets another chance to blame the minority party ["the GOP wouldn't compromise."]. This plan was about giving Hussein cover during the election all along.

My prediction: The next act in this comic farce will be SCOTUS taking up 0bamacare during the height of the campaign. I have no proof, but I believe the fix is in and through twisted logic it will be approved in a 5-4 vote. Now Soetoro gets a big win on the eve of the election, the economy goes off the front page for awhile and we get shafted with another permanent entitlement set in stone.

25 posted on 11/20/2011 8:10:17 AM PST by YankeeReb (Even in front of 3rd graders, 0bama is still the least qualified person in the room.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Toomey turned out to be a dud.

He supported the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”
(DADT).


26 posted on 11/20/2011 8:10:25 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The "Occupy Wall Street" losers should try occupying their local employment office. GET A JOB!)
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To: blam

Did we expect anything else for both parties. Our government is saturated with corruption.


27 posted on 11/20/2011 8:19:24 AM PST by Logical me
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To: blam

Why are they calling this a failure? It was wildly successful, if you consider that this was designed to cut the budget in a way that every elected official can avoid blame. Take the automatic cuts, and keep going.


28 posted on 11/20/2011 8:22:16 AM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: blam

We have leaned so far over the cliff that I doubt for generations nothing will save us. We have been raped.


29 posted on 11/20/2011 8:23:13 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Jeff Chandler
Fun with "Weepy B":


30 posted on 11/20/2011 8:29:38 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: bigdirty

Well who among us is shocked? We all need to call or email our GOP congressmen/women and ask them why they weren’t busy doing what we elected them to do and come up with the necessary spending cuts themselves. Instead most of them voted for this illegal, unconstitutional Supercommittee so it could meet in secret for months and fail.


31 posted on 11/20/2011 8:34:01 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: edge10; All

“The dirty little secret is the auto cuts don’t start till 2013!”

Yep, which guaranteed failure, as opposed to IMMEDIATE tax cuts THIS year! By 2013, no one in this country will even remember that there was such a thing as a super committee, and a new Congress will quietly overturn the “automatic” cuts with some minor, obscure provision in some spending bill. And the Republicans will be complicit in this conspiracy because, just like Democrats, their primary focus is buying votes for their re-election with deficit spending.


32 posted on 11/20/2011 8:39:20 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: blam

Deficit Committee Certain To Announce Failure.
Incompetence at it’s finest.Par for D.C.


33 posted on 11/20/2011 8:55:39 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: fight_truth_decay

I’m convinced that most, if not all, of the “tea party” candidates are the same kind of people who were already in office. They simply saw the tea party as a way to get elected so they could cash in like the rest of them. It takes a certain kind of person who wants to be a congressman. And the majority of them are all alike.

As we know the congress people will know about the crash a long time before the people know. They will have plenty of time to get their riches and families to a safe place, probably on an island somewhere that nobody knows about. We’ll wake up one day and they will all be gone. A note on the capital door will say “So long, suckers!”


34 posted on 11/20/2011 9:03:01 AM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: MNJohnnie; All
We need some better strategists on our side in the process.

I'm tired of constantly getting set up for failure by the slick commie leftsters.

This entire super committee was set up from day 1. We realized it,saw it coming yet still took part!Insanity! Since when is it not the Presidents job to consult with Congress both at the levels of the house and Senate to first provide a budget which he has not done in 900 days and gets no heat whatsoever for then take responsibility for what is in or not in the budget.

We have let him off the hook for no good reason I can see!!

The fact that we let their side off of these responsibilities is UNNEARVING and a rookie move, IMHO.

Zero's handlers knew all the time that they could get lots of mileage out of blaming us for not raising taxes, not getting along with their side, and not caving to the left on everything they wanted including the Bush tax cuts. And the media has compounded the problem for our side and made it even worse which we should have been able to see before we ever agreed to this super committee farse!! The regimes handlers figured it out that they could get on a path to destroy Defense and take that money and use it in social welfare programs and if we try and reverse it when we are up in 2013 they will claim we are busting the budget on the backs of the poor. Slick and slicker and we fell for it hook line and sinker.

We need smarter pubbies running the show who will not fall for this kid of crap.Especially since its been one trap after another after another.And we fall for them all!!

35 posted on 11/20/2011 9:23:40 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: catnipman
Lots of ‘defense functions’ to consider.
The National Defense Education Act, lots of fat there.
The National Interstate and Defense Highway Act. I'll bet that gets cut.
The National Defense Act
The National Defense Production Act.
With all these, the active Military may not get cut too much.
‘And the Republicans will be complicit in this conspiracy because, just like Democrats, their primary focus is buying votes for their re-election with deficit spending.’..catnipman
You have given the concise definition of The Era of Two Failed Political Parties.
TWB
36 posted on 11/20/2011 9:41:04 AM PST by TWhiteBear (Jobs, Peace, Food, Security .... Down with Obama(Peacefully))
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To: Terry Mross
Unlike Insider Trading, which I am surprised that only now this subject is finding recognition, when many of us have complained for years. I was very surprised when Rush brought it to the attention of his audience as he just learned about it back a month ago? or Hannity started to raise the issue. Hannity asking did you know?? Those who are supposed to be in the know?? You are suppose to educate?

Now because it becomes a political weapon to call people on the other side out on "insider trading", after sending Stewart to jail and many others[Martha-maybe not the charge but went along with]. What must they be saying, would like to be a fly on the wall. Politics as usual. Makes one want to give up on the whole lot of them.

37 posted on 11/20/2011 9:44:00 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: blam

This Super Committee was doomed to failure from the start. Just looking at the uber liberal Democrat members appointed meant that no compromise was possible. I also seriously doubt the whole Super Committee concept is Constitutional.


38 posted on 11/20/2011 10:00:54 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Mr. K

And, they wanted to be able to make it appear that the Republicans were responsible for the failure. It’s a win-win for them. And, a lose-lose for us.


39 posted on 11/20/2011 11:12:40 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: blam

The GOP establishment is so bloody stupid. I could see this coming months before. Say hello to a gutted military, which is always a keystone goal of the Democrat Party.

I would express shock at the stupidity of the GOP agreeing to this Democrat booby trap but no amount of idiocy by the GOP surprises me anymore. It is the status quo.


40 posted on 11/20/2011 11:51:05 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be fooked.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Starve the beast. There are many individual ways to do so. Be creative.


41 posted on 11/20/2011 11:54:54 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Ain’t it the truth! I’ve known this for years. I can’t believe Hannity and Rush didn’t know abou it. They’re mouth pieces for the GOP and they kinda’ have to say something now that it’s out there.

What makes me angry is the media acting all surprised and current politicians now calling for it to end. They get caught then they want to do something.


42 posted on 11/20/2011 3:27:45 PM PST by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a second party)
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To: dirtboy
I’m not sure why anyone believed that a smaller subset of the same dysfunctional body would come up with any less dysfunctional of a result.

It's rather obvious, isn't it? A SuperCommittee composed of seven Republicans and six Democrats would've returned a plan that reduced the debt by the requisite $1.2 trillion by cutting spending -- without raising any taxes.

On the other hand, a SuperCommittee composed of seven Democrats and six Republicans would've returned a plan that cut the deficit by the requisite $1.2 trillion solely by raising taxes -- without cutting spending.

A six-by-six construction ensured the eventual deadlock.

The Democrats and Republicans are what they are. Just like the Israelis and Palestinians are what they are. If the Palestinians laid down their guns, there would be peace. But, if the Israelis laid down their guns, there would be a slaughter.

In this particular struggle, the Republicans (and we conservatives) are the Israelis.

43 posted on 11/20/2011 3:45:39 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01
Maybe they thought they could mimic the base closings commission. But in this case, the end result is not closing someone's pet obsolete military base in their district. The end result instead gets to the underlying philosophical gaps between the two parties.

And I have an odd prediction - if there is a major market crash tomorrow, and the pundits blame the gridlock of the Super Committee, expect them to suddenly find middle ground and propose a dog's lunch to deal with the deficit. Kinda like TARP passing the second time around.

44 posted on 11/20/2011 3:53:03 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
And I have an odd prediction - if there is a major market crash tomorrow, and the pundits blame the gridlock of the Super Committee, expect them to suddenly find middle ground and propose a dog's lunch to deal with the deficit. Kinda like TARP passing the second time around.

You're probably right. There is nothing responsive about Washington nowadays -- it's all reactive.

Regrettably, I don't see a single GOP presidential candidate who is likely to alter the atmospherics in Washington. Even if we win, we're going to end up with McConnell and Boehner in charge of Congress and a president who won't challenge the "business as usual" approach.

What this country desperately needs is a President who will fundamentally challenge Washington -- a leader who will forcibly dismantle the whole "business as usual" mentality.

In short, to save the Republic, we need an electoral Revolution. We're not going to get one.

Wishing for Sarah Palin...

45 posted on 11/20/2011 4:14:45 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Terry Mross

I even remember old Joe Lieberman being asked the insider question quite a while ago,[so, it was known in the media] and he admitted that they, if I remember correctly, were aware no controls existed with teeth in it; and no one had seemed to find the time to act further on the issue. Of course, they could not find the time....ah huh~


46 posted on 11/20/2011 4:37:35 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: okie01
it's all reactive

for...when they get caught!

47 posted on 11/20/2011 4:39:16 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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