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The Bipartisan War on Liberty
Reason ^ | 2011-11-18

Posted on 11/21/2011 6:08:38 AM PST by rabscuttle385

Liberal and conservative elites agree on one thing: Americans are too free for their own good.

BY A. BARTON HINKLE

To outward appearances, it might seem as though the left and right have never been more at odds. And for the average man in the street, drawn to the Tea Party on one side or the Occupy movement on the other, this might be true. But it is not so true for elite opinion. The nation's high and mighty may be divided about many things, but on one point they often agree: Americans are still too darn free.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; bloodoftyrants; communism; crushfedgov; donttreadonme; fedgov; fedzilla; freedom; govtabuse; liberalfascism; liberty; lping; nannystate; rapeofliberty; tyranny; waronliberty

1 posted on 11/21/2011 6:08:39 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
This is what power fetishists always do: assume the power will be used in ways they like. (And since the ends are noble, they surely must justify the means, right?) Sometimes it is. But power changes hands, and the inheritors may be a rather different sort. The people pushing for more government power never seem to think of that—until it's too late.

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2 posted on 11/21/2011 6:10:39 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

Last time I checked we outnumber them So why do we let them run our lives and steal our freedom?


3 posted on 11/21/2011 6:21:37 AM PST by o_zarkman44 ("When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rabscuttle385

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”

Daniel Webster


4 posted on 11/21/2011 6:28:39 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: o_zarkman44
Last time I checked we outnumber them So why do we let them run our lives and steal our freedom?

Because we are factionalized, and using factions within the government to do our bidding. The parties are rackets, running protection and doling out goodies to their customers.

5 posted on 11/21/2011 6:33:25 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: dagogo redux
"If we admit this Consolidated Government it will be because we like a great splendid one. Some way or other we must be a great and mighty empire; we must have an army, and a navy, and a number of things:

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, Sir, was then the primary object. We are descended from a people whose Government was founded on liberty: Our glorious forefathers of Great-Britain, made liberty the foundation of every thing.

That country is become a great, mighty, and splendid nation; not because their Government is strong and energetic; but, Sir, because liberty is its direct end and foundation: We drew the spirit of liberty from our British ancestors; by that spirit we have triumphed over every difficulty:

But now, Sir, the American spirit, assisted by the ropes and chains of consolidation, is about to convert this country to a powerful and mighty empire: If you make the citizens of this country agree to become the subjects of one great consolidated empire of America, your Government will not have sufficient energy to keep them together:

Such a Government is incompatible with the genius of republicanism: There will be no checks, no real balances, in this Government: What can avail your specious imaginary balances, your rope-dancing, chain-rattling, ridiculous ideal checks and contrivances?"

-Patrick Henry, June 5th, 1788

6 posted on 11/21/2011 6:38:31 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: Huck

The Anti-Federalists were right. Long live the republic! (What’s left of it.)


7 posted on 11/21/2011 6:42:10 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Yes they were. Amazingly so. And conversely, the federalists were dead wrong--none more so than Madison, whose most famous Federalist Papers read like absurdist comedy (#10 and #46).

Our system will prevent factions? Instead it created a civil war. Federal powers will be few and defined? More like infinite and boundless. And the antifederalists prove that this was quite foreseeable at the time, and not merely a post-New Deal anomaly.

8 posted on 11/21/2011 6:46:12 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: o_zarkman44
Zebras outnumber lions too, but they huddle together and run when the lions attack. The zebra dosn't fight back. No one wants to be the straggler at the back of the pack that gets taken down. Unfortunately, many people also like the idea that the lion is taking from the fat zebra and giving to his starving neighbor. That isn't natural in the wild, but we humans deceive ourselves more than the animals on the savanna.
9 posted on 11/21/2011 6:47:16 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Huck

The party mentality is group think. People are part of the collective and sign away individuality for common cause when they join a party. Although many compromise with their values in the belief they will be heard later when the party candidate is elected. It never happens and they have compromised away their individuality. Party politics is responsible for the destruction of America. Only individualism and idealism will bring meaningful repair to our Republic.


10 posted on 11/21/2011 6:52:36 AM PST by o_zarkman44 ("When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rabscuttle385

We the People are a truly ugly lot...keep getting in the way of the elites/RinoCracy utopia...


11 posted on 11/21/2011 6:58:02 AM PST by mo
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To: rabscuttle385

They aren’t “conservative elite.” They are “Republican elite.”

BIG difference!!!


12 posted on 11/21/2011 7:00:34 AM PST by piytar (The Obama Depression. Say it early, say it often. Why? Because it's TRUE.)
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To: rabscuttle385

They trying to show that Tea Partiers don’t have leanings to personal liberty? Maybe they aren’t head over heels for free dope of any and all sorts with no adult supervision, but otherwise they overlap greatly with libertarian ideals.


13 posted on 11/21/2011 7:07:31 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Huck

I guess there are to types of people, those that despise central authority and those that kowtow to it.


14 posted on 11/21/2011 7:09:25 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dagogo redux

“Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”

Daniel Webster

Bears repeating over and over and over. This is one of the best political quotes I’ve ever read.


15 posted on 11/21/2011 7:36:30 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: Huck

Amazing how accurate some of the founding fathers were. Human nature does not change, and they knew that. Too bad so many people are such sheep.


16 posted on 11/21/2011 7:38:14 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: o_zarkman44

No, no. You have it all wrong. We are ONE! /MAJOR SARCASM


17 posted on 11/21/2011 7:39:23 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: central_va

“...two types of people...”

I’ve been thinking along the sames lines - true liberty-loving, individualistic, freedom loving people who favor equal opportunity for all - versus - culture of death, government loving, hypocritical, and discriminatory group of RATS.

However, it occurs to me right now that there are probably very few true Rats. My belief is that most rat-types are brainwashed into the “party-group think-rat” mentality due to schools and mass media. Most of the Rat leaders are probably aware of “group think” tendency and obviously use it to their advantage, as referenced by the Daniel Webster and Patrick Henry quotes above.


18 posted on 11/21/2011 7:47:59 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: o_zarkman44
The party mentality is group think.

I think it's more of like organized crime. Pay me for protection or you'll end up paying someone else.

19 posted on 11/21/2011 8:31:14 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: central_va

“I guess there are to types of people, those that despise central authority and those that kowtow to it.”

I think this is more accurate:
I guess there are to types of people, those that despise central authority and those that aspire to it.

We have an abundance in both parties who aspire to be in control.


20 posted on 11/21/2011 8:40:30 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Yooper4Life; Huck

You might enjoy some of the quotes here as well:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2810248/posts


21 posted on 11/21/2011 9:30:25 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Daybreak! Sunshine! About time this was discussed.


22 posted on 11/21/2011 10:04:20 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Huck

If this was facebook I would “like” your post. Government IS a protection racket. Protection from the enemies government created.


23 posted on 11/21/2011 10:53:31 AM PST by o_zarkman44 ("When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: o_zarkman44
Unfortunatley, I think it's part of human nature. The unaffiliated either keep out of site or get crushed. Otherwise, you join a faction to protect you from the other factions.

This is what keeps gangs going, in and out of prison. It's what keeps crime families going. It's what keeps political parties going. You need to organize to resist hostile organizations.

That's what these retarded OWS anarchists fail to understand. There is no such thing as anarchy. Gangs are as natural as wolf packs, and they move in to fill the void. The strongest of those gangs eventually become governments. And losers like the OWS crowd are dogmeat.

24 posted on 11/21/2011 12:01:23 PM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: dagogo redux

““Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.”

Daniel Webster”

I suppose I should be easier on Daniel Webster given that there were so many men made hypocritical by the corruption of power.

But I find much in his history and policy’s that were indeed designed to usurp power and authority to those most distant from the people.


25 posted on 11/21/2011 12:17:17 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: dagogo redux

Thank you.


26 posted on 11/21/2011 12:45:26 PM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: Huck

“Yes they were. Amazingly so. And conversely, the federalists were dead wrong—none more so than Madison, whose most famous Federalist Papers read like absurdist comedy (#10 and #46).

Our system will prevent factions? Instead it created a civil war. Federal powers will be few and defined? More like infinite and boundless. And the anti-federalists prove that this was quite foreseeable at the time, and not merely a post-New Deal anomaly.”

While it may have been foreseeable in the flaws of the 1787 Constitution, as pointed out by the anti-federalist, It was also most clearly unintended & unauthorized as sold by Mansion.

The more active defense of our liberty is authorized. The patriots cry for liberty must be channeled with the entitlement of the lessons of history.

Like it or not we now have an overbearing and imperial Goverment to deal with. We must out-think and out maneuver our enemy and remember the art of War.

While this evil may be more dug in then ever before it is also old and its practices reviled. Like an enemy who has been to battle too many times we can predict how it will behave as well as how to manipulate it.

The Object now is to wrassle it to the ground using both political cunning and situational entrapment.

The political forces with control this monster can be manipulated to weaken & cripple it before us. Unfortunately that means we are going to have to abandon somethings that are important to us at least for a short time.


27 posted on 11/21/2011 1:26:17 PM PST by Monorprise
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