Skip to comments.Having Kittens Over E-Cat.
Posted on 11/21/2011 7:47:23 AM PST by count-your-change
Acland quotes another cold fusion researcher at the E-Cat World page:
"In the last 8 weeks I have been astounded by a superior nanotechnology that will capture the imagination of even the greatest foes of LENR. I believe all of LENR is just a new and unanticipated form of nanomagnetism.
(Excerpt) Read more at ecatnews.net ...
Now he is using made-up words to describe it- what on earth is nanomagnetism?
I can’t find anything about nano or Acland at your links - do you have a specific page number or date?
I don’t blame Rossi a bit for keeping people out of his factory. It’s a private business and every business operates with some level of security.
The real story here that I saw was the new thermoelectric concept that is supposedl up to 15% efficient, which is referenced from some 3rd party developer.
If this worked, he would ALREADY be a multi-billionaire
He is doing EVERYTHING that previous scammers have done, and not one thing to prove it works
Maybe he’s paranoid about industrial espionage. Doesn’t want to see a Chinese knock off hit the market before HIS machine does.
It's a short article and I didn't want to post the entire article. I should have been a bit more clear, yes.
I notice Rossi is going to outsource production. What about secrecy? What about the self destruct mechanism?
1- IS MY TECHNOLOGY FIT TO MAKE WEAPONS? ANSWER: NOT AT ALL
That's pretty obvious, unless the military wants to take five hours to brew a pot of coffee.
I can’t believe you missed this...
“If this worked, he would ALREADY be a multi-billionaire”
Here's what we'll do...Let's go with a “Big Oil” conspiracy to spice things up!
Seriously...Rossi has suffered from an excess of hype...both his and others. Now the competition is showing up and mickey mouse in a tin box won't cut it anymore.
Somebody found Tesla’a missing papers?
Not to mention that two of his factories have burned down.
1) The one where he supposedly heated his whole factory for over six months with an ECAT, BTW, where's that ECAT?
2) He was supposedly producing TE devices (Thermolectric Device which produces electricity from heat) Rossi's TE was supposed to be 20% efficient. When it came time for independent tests, that factory burned down and he can't produce the 20% ones anymore, now, his are no more efficient than others and they had an extremely high failure rate.
I design and build proprietary process equipment and would never let “casual” observers in for a “look see” on our processes or equipment.
Anyone who has intellectual property (IP) has to have his head examined if he allows anyone, other than an absolute need to know folks under his factory roof.
His activity is not strange it is just in keeping with good IP practice, and to do otherwise he would certainly loose his proprietary and confidential IP status.
You are obviously unfamiliar with IP or confidential process property or you would not bring it up.
Yes, I understand paranoia about theft of ideas, money has no morals, but the only part he was going to manufacture was the “reactor” and that a simple machine shop could do with ease.
So again I suspect he's inflating the truth with his hopes and hype.
In Rossi’s defense, Brian Ahern is the one who used the nano-magnetism term and it is a real term.
” What about the self destruct mechanism?”
That's a bit worrying. But maybe there's thermite in the thing to melt it down unless opened correctly. OOOps! E-Cat on the barbie-b-cue!
Hey- I am totally with you- I am a PHYSICIST
I would love to see this work
But the effort he is going through to prevent access and examination is ridiculous to the point of making me VERY skeptical- all scammers I have seen over the last 30 years behave this same way.
If I had something that was generating more electricity than I put in, I would document it, and then invite the whole world to see.
Those reactors are pretty small. I wonder why they take hours to warm up.
Very cool. I don't want to pry but what do you do, teach, work at a LHC type place, nuclear research???
What do you think of the physics of the Ecat? Did Rossi really discover something new, something already known or a complete scam. I say it's a scam but I want it to be true. That is how I think he keeps it going, people wanting, against all odds, to believe that it works.
Very small magnetism!
I mean, come on, he-LLOOO-ooo.
Maybe the factories don't exist. Not in fifth floor apartment or a mail drop office certainly. If people are going to be hired to work in these factories I assume they'll have to look at what they're doing.
“You are obviously unfamiliar with IP or confidential process property or you would not bring it up.”
An unwarranted assumption.
Rossi isn't designing something proprietary to the customer. Anyone who purchases his device can tear it down and see exactly what is in it how it was constructed.
“His activity is not strange it is just in keeping with good IP practice, and to do otherwise he would certainly loose his proprietary and confidential IP status.”
Take a tour of a Coca Cola bottler and you still won't know the formula for the syrup.
If Rossi has no factories to tour the whole question is moot.
Maybe it will be used for Steam Bomb!
Just the CliffsNotes.
Why not? Reagan used a cold fusion scam to help bankrupt the USSR.
It’s like the gas tank on a big SUV, It’s not what you put in that counts, it’s what you get out.
The yeast has to rise first and that is an excellent point. The temperature can't rise to infinity and is seems it shouldn't take the nickel that long to get to the right temp. I thought Rossi's said something along the lines of that it takes a while for the LENR to get going.
Now Defkalion is saying they're going to announce something in 15 days?
Here's an interesting link:
Now, is the Hyperion their version of the Ecat or the device that converts what the Ecat puts out into electricity?? If you look at the circuit board in the little square container, it has silkscreen on the component side. If this thing was a prototype, I wouldn't expect them to have what looks like a production board.
Didn't Rossi and Defkalion have a falling out? I don't trust Rossi as far as I could throw him but it would suck to have Defkalion get all the attention and credit if this thing happens to work. I'd actually be PO'd on Rossi's behalf.
One other thing is, if you look at those pictures, they're all close up so you can't see how big the place is except for the top picture. They also label the pics as test lab, lab 1 and lab 2 and production so either they have a decent sized facility or they're pulling a fast one. Again though, like Rossi, they built something too. It sure would be nice to have this thing subjected to a rigorous test and settle once and for all whether this works or not. They've had more than one qualified person or company volunteer to test one. They only need to prove one works and since they're the size of a microwave, what's the big deal? Rossi could protect his secret by having his folks watching round the clock but he won't do it.
because it’s COLD fusion, they have defrost the reactor. In a pinch they can be put into the microwave for on 30% power for about 5 minutes.
I have no idea. But I can dream. I would love to see traditionally non-magnetic materials become magnetic. Imagine a tiny ceramic device at the bottom of a container, that converts heat into electricity. It could keep a beverage cool, while the energy is converted into stirring a drink. I've got lots of ideas.
In Rossis defense, Brian Ahern is the one who used the nano-magnetism term and it is a real term.Interestingly, Brian Ahern has made it very clear that he thinks Rossi is a fraud.
“If I had something that was generating more electricity than I put in, I would document it, and then invite the whole world to see.”
As a “PHYSICIST” I would think you would have paid more attention to what the claims have been. At no point did anyone involved say it put out any electricity at all. It puts out low level heat at this point which is not particularly useful in generating electricity.
From your link:
Rossi has been clever enough to change the trick on each successive demo. Using a secret customer is a great way to allow him to fulfill his promise to demo the 1 MW unit in October. He then evaded conducting the demo transparently by saying that the customer demanded the demo conditions. The customer signed off when Rossi gave him the wink and he shut things down without any measurements by anyone except the shill.
Occams Razor, on the other hand, says that 12 inconclusive demos in succession are not random. It is well planned and orchestrated. He has used the journalists like a team of puppets.
Isn't the Rossi fan club saying NASA is saying positive things about the Ecat?Yes, that's part of Kevmo's ostrich droppings. (If he can call us seagulls, I think we can call him an ostrich; you know, burying his head in the sand).
As far as I can tell, almost all of that junk was rumor and speculation from Sterling D. Allan, Rossi's partner. He's been spreading rumors about what companies/government organizations were the "secret customers". Even though Allan is working with Rossi, his rumors seem to be almost completely wrong. I don't know if that's because Allan is so gullible, or because he is intentionally misdirecting everyone; either theory seems reasonable to me.
Sterling Allen is the reason I posted the picture of Joe Isuzu.
Heat can be transformed to electricity very efficiently with a stirling engine.
Isn’t it a bit strange that Rossi doesn’t just generate electricity and sell it to the power grid?
Generating a small amount of heat would be an actual money machine.
To me, this is a telling sign of something fishy. Rossi is not following the path of least resistance to cash flow.
I didn't realize it was Ahern who wrote that. Isn't the Rossi fan club saying NASA is saying positive things about the Ecat?To be fair, Ahern's comments were not part of any information from NASA. It was his personal opinion on Rossi's demos.
However, that same page does show the NASA PowerPoint slide stating that Rossi has not sufficiently demonstrated that his E-Cat is producing energy beyond what could be done chemically (i.e. cheating).
duhhhhhhhhhh it was AN EXAMPLE duhhhhhhhhhhhh
I don’t see anyhing from the ECat that says anything other than FRUAD yet
After you have studied physics you just look at things differently - I look at this and think I am NOT convinced.
I am sure there is a lot of data to go through, but you can wade though a ton of documentation for everything you see- you would never get any work done- you look at it from an overview, and see if it passes the smell test- then if it does, you look further into the data
I have not seen enough to convince me to look further.
you are sadly misinformed.
SPAWAR, the Navy Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command has been doing independent research and has replicated the physics behind Nickel-Hydrogen’s LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) that Rossi mentions as the basis of his invention. They conclusively proved radiation emissions.
I believe, but have not confirmed that SPAWAR is one of the groups who have purchased one of Rossi’s plants.
In addition, Rossi has a US patent application on his invention see here: http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/USeCatPatentApplication.pdf
So he has his cards on the table, except for his hole cards, which somehow you think he should show you ...
that’s funny who are you that he should show you his proprietary intellectual property?
What is “FRUAD” and why should we care what you think?
“I have not seen enough to convince me to look further.”
The following are Yes or No answers:
Have you read Rossi’s US patent?
Have you watched SPAWAR’s videos which show radiation from Nickel-Hydrogen?
Do you know what LENR are?
Can you explain why Copper is a result of Nickel-Hydrogen interaction?
If the answer to any of the above is NO then you are a FRAUD (not a FRUAD) yourself.
then it was A BAAAAAAAAAD EXAMPLE because Rossi’s unit produces heat not electricity.
No particular reason. In this case, the ceramic would be a part of the beverage container, built-in at time of manufacture. Imagine having mugs that when you pour soda, the beverage self-cools. No ice, no watered-down drink. Or other beverages that stay cool without ice, and self-stir. No batteries or wires to contend with, and can be placed in a dishwasher without harm. I would patent it if I had a working prototype.
Believe it or not.
Small quote about SPAWAR
Rossis Mystery Customer Performs Disappearing Act, Twice Posted on November 12, 2011
On Nov. 2, John Brandon published a story on Andrea Rossi and his claim of an energy catalyzer on Fox News.
Brandon speculated, based on what he read on Sterling Allans free energy blog, that U.S. Navys Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center San Diego was Rossis mysterious customer and that they measured and verified Rossis test.
On Nov. 9, I asked James Fallin, the director of public affairs at SPAWAR San Diego, is there any truth to the suggestion published on Fox News that SPAWAR is, or is considering purchasing any device from Andrea Rossi?
No truth at all, Fallin wrote.
On Nov. 11, Mark Gibbs, writing for Forbes.com, wrote that Craig Brown, who operates the Free Energy Truth Web site, claimed that Rossis first customer was Austin, Texas, based National Instruments Corp.
Gibbs checked with National Instruments. According to John Pasquarette, Vice President of Corporate Marketing and eBusiness, National Instruments did not purchase a 1 MW cold fusion plant from Rossi.
Sander Olson, a writer for Next Big Future, contacted me yesterday about the SPAWAR rumor.
After having read your articles on E-CAT and receiving independent confirmation from SPAWAR that they are not taking possession of any device from Rossi, Olson wrote, I have decided that he is almost certainly a fraud and [I] will not pursue an interview. I always suspected that he was a fraud and I now find the evidence overwhelming. Thank you for providing assistance in this matter.
that doesn’t change the fact that
1) SPAWAR doing their own independent research, positively confirmed radiation from Nickel-Hydrogen LENR. They have several hour long videos describing their research and results.
2)Someone confounded the fact that NI’s instrumented system was being used to control Rossi’s reactors - as flogged to death on other threads - with the possibility that NI had bought Rossi’s units. That does not change the fact that Rossi is using NI’s control systems to control his process as confirmed in multiple places.
3) Just because Sander Olson takes it as fraud - does that mean it is a fraud - hell no. Barak Obama believes in in the 13th Imam is coming - does that mean he is?
4)When Sander Olson applies for his own US patent claiming an opposite effect from Rossi then maybe I would be mildly interested in what he said.
However, Sander Olson is an Historian: “Sander Olson, 33, is Vice President of NanoApex Corp., has a bachelors degree in History, and a Masters degree in the History of Technology and Science.”
Good old Sander is a history buff and I always consult my high school history teacher when I am checking on the validity of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
you’re joking right?.