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What Killed JFK (barf alert: "right wing" hatred threatens Obama..just as it "ended" JFK's life)
New York Magazine ^ | November 20, 2011 | Frank Rich

Posted on 11/21/2011 8:38:16 AM PST by Seizethecarp

Immediately after the assassination and ever since, the right has tried to deflect any connection between its fevered Kennedy hatred and Oswald’s addled psyche with the fact that the assassin had briefly defected to the Soviet Union.

America’s violent culture wars had started before JFK was shot. They were all on display in Oswald’s Dallas. At least in 1963, polling showed that only 5 percent of the country—a fringe—subscribed to the radical anti-government views championed by the John Birch Society and other militants of the right. These days, that fringe, whether in the form of birthers or the tea party or the hosts of Fox & Friends, gives marching orders to a major political party.

…read Manchester or 11/22/63 or any other account of that time, and the vitriol that was aimed at Kennedy in life seems as immediate as today. It’s as startling as that “You lie!” piercing the solemnity of a presidential address like a gunshot—or the actual gunshots fired at the White House last week by another wretched waif. In the end, that political backdrop is what our 44th and 35th presidents may have most in common. The tragedy of the Kennedy cult is that even as it fades, the hothouse brand of American malice that stalked its hero stalks our country still.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aqueersfairytail; conspiracytheory; dallas; jfkassassination; jfkhit; kennedy; obama; oswald; queersfairytail
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To: Genoa

And I should have added in my previous post that there WERE plenty of other groups mad at JFK and probably would have killed him given the opportunity. It was just the mob got there first.

I believe old Joe also promised the MOB that his son’s administration would ease-up, not go after them twice as hard.

And there is no disputing the fact that JFK could not have been elected (he didn’t win the popular vote) without Chicago, and the MOB delivered Chicago.


51 posted on 11/21/2011 9:17:52 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Seizethecarp
Good Lord! Only Frank Rich could pretzel-fit Oswald to Tea Paties.

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

Besides, Johnson killed Kennedy.


52 posted on 11/21/2011 9:18:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (Monkeys do not like getting slapped, contrary to popular belief.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Looks like he's setting things up for an assassination from the left of Obama, with the suggestion already planted in people's minds that it was from the right. Very worrisome. Their version of the Reichtstag fire.

With regard to his life, Obama has zero to fear from the right, but had better watch his back when dealing with the left.

53 posted on 11/21/2011 9:18:31 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Seizethecarp

It was a mob/CIA hit..pure and simple. JMHO


54 posted on 11/21/2011 9:20:12 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Seizethecarp

Frank Rich is an insane Ruling Class moronic Libtard who hates America.


55 posted on 11/21/2011 9:21:13 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Darkwolf377

The Left is exempt from the criticism it heaps upon Conservatives.


56 posted on 11/21/2011 9:22:36 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Oatka
Yep.

It sounds like a repeat of what Clinton did in 1995.

Following the 1994 election, the left started a talking points campaign that the right wing extremist wanted to assassinate Bill Clinton and Rush was leading the charge.

Clinton took a trip to the Philippines in early 1995 and low and behold there was supposed to be an attempted assassination of Bill Clinton by al Quaeda.

Why did they choose the Philippine's for the set up, that's where Terry Nicholes was going.

Clinton knew about the OKC bomb plot well in advance and wanted to make it appear as if the right wing extremist had teamed up with the terrorist.

There was also a story fabricated before the OKC bombing about the Iraq govt. being involved with a bomb plot in the US.

They fabricated that story because the knew Tim McVeigh was running around with an Iraqi.

Shorty after the 08 election, the left started this exact same talking points only instead of Rush leading the charge to assassinate Zippo, the left said it was Glenn Beck leading the charge.

When UBL got popped they found one of the plots was to assassinate Zippo or other members of the adm. except for Biden.

Truly is amazing how the left always has their talking points in place for al Quaeda’s plots.

57 posted on 11/21/2011 9:24:44 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I didn't know LBJ was a "right-winger?"

With the help of J. Edgar Hoover. Robert Kennedy as Attorney General did not bow to Hoover as others had and none of the Kennedys liked LBJ. They considered him a hick. Hoover was protecting the mafia, claiming there was no such organization, and RFK was going after them hard, probably to protect his families own interest in nefarious activity.

LBJ killed others before the Kennedys, starting with an Agriculture Department investigator looking for the phantom silos from which LBJ's friend and close associate, Billie Sol Estes, was collecting storage fees from the government. Exposing Estes would also expose LBJ. The inspector was shot in the back six times with a bolt action rifle that was left at the scene. The coroner's ruling was suicide. The coroner was a friend of LBJ.

After JFK they killed RFK because of his political threat to LBJ and continuing opposition to Hoover. The prize in LBJ's fevered mind, other than continued political power, was Jackie. You should listen to the creepy calls he placed to Jackie, wanting to be John Jr. and Caroline's daddy. She also thought LBJ was behind her husband's death but she only said so in her last interview.

Hoover had rid himself of a pesky adversary.

58 posted on 11/21/2011 9:26:19 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Seizethecarp
The success of the MSM in transforming the act of what Jackie (correctly) called a "stupid little communist" into a crime of "right wing hate" was their most successful act of subversion, ever. Nothing else even comes close.

And it only took four days.

Do not ever think that this is not their preferred solution to the enormous problem that Obama poses for them.

Hillary cannot take him out (politically) because she cannot win without 95% of the black vote.

IF, however, the forces that created Obama can destroy him with a plausible right wing patsy, they would consider it very seriously - for that is the one way, the only way, for Hillary or another one like her to go into November 2012 with the black vote intact.

Pray that the Secret Service continues to be as effective as they have been since that day in November, now so long ago.

59 posted on 11/21/2011 9:26:26 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Seizethecarp

frank rich is a communist that is deflecting the guilt of the cuban/russian agent known as oswald... the man that killed JFK.

LLS


60 posted on 11/21/2011 9:26:54 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Seizethecarp
I believe our own government took out Kennedy. He was going to pull the advisors out of Vietnam and 'they' weren't going to let that happen.
61 posted on 11/21/2011 9:27:15 AM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Seizethecarp

What Killed JFK?

The bullet of a Commie Defector. (and possibly some friends)

Certainly not a person from the “right”.


62 posted on 11/21/2011 9:27:15 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Lazamataz

Are you sure that CIA chart is allowed in the public domain?

My supervisor says it’s EO material and I trust him.


63 posted on 11/21/2011 9:27:58 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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To: Genoa

Cuban Mafia payback.


64 posted on 11/21/2011 9:28:42 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Jim Noble
Do not ever think that this is not their preferred solution to the enormous problem that Obama poses for them.

You said it, Brother FReeper. You're right about praying for the effectiveness of the Secret Service in protecting that bastard from being assassinated by his own. Will add it to my prayer list. I'm a big believer in the power of prayer.

65 posted on 11/21/2011 9:30:08 AM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Seizethecarp
This sounds like a rerun of 1963-1964, when the media tried to blame the assassination on conservatives. For example, a bestselling book, Dallas, Public and Private: Aspects of an American City by Leslie Warren (New York: Grossman, 1964) portrayed Dallas as a right-wing hotbed. Oswald's leftist background was just an inconvenient truth.
66 posted on 11/21/2011 9:32:34 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Jim Noble
Pray that the Secret Service continues to be as effective as they have been since that day in November, now so long ago.

You mean like Squeaky taking a shot at Ford, or maybe Hinkley actually shooting Reagan?

There is no stopping a determined individual from doing harm if he decides to do so.

67 posted on 11/21/2011 9:35:24 AM PST by 11Bush
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To: Seizethecarp

ahh...Frank Rich: Theatre Critic, foreign policy analyst and political pundit all rolled into one....

Or maybe not....


68 posted on 11/21/2011 9:36:20 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Genoa
I say it was a mob hit. Was the Cosa Nostra liberal or conservative?

The Cosa Nostra practiced population control by killing a lot of people, so it was liberal.

69 posted on 11/21/2011 9:36:25 AM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Seizethecarp

I’ve seen this factually incomplete accounting of Kennedy’s assasination often, including something on the History Channel.

Kennedy was going to Dallas
Kennedy was facing protests by conservatives
Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald.

While all three statements are true, they leave out the fact that Oswald was a radical Marxist.


70 posted on 11/21/2011 9:37:05 AM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: Seizethecarp

http://viewzone2.com/lbj/indexx.html


71 posted on 11/21/2011 9:38:36 AM PST by gitmogrunt (Lessons In Disaster: LBJ, Carter,Clinton,Obama.)
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To: Seizethecarp

A bullet from the grassy knoll area killed Kennedy

As a Physicist there is NO WAY they can convince me otherwise, after seeing the Zapruder film.


72 posted on 11/21/2011 9:40:03 AM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: Seizethecarp

When the RATS bring this up ALWAYS REMIND THEM THAT OSWALD WAS A COMMUNIST 8*> JUST LIKE THEM!


73 posted on 11/21/2011 9:41:52 AM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Seizethecarp

I remember as a 10-year-old kid being puzzled at how much difficulty everyone was having trying to identify the killer. As a kid it just seemed like common sense to me that the killer must be the new President.


74 posted on 11/21/2011 9:46:31 AM PST by The Duke
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To: Seizethecarp

****the right has tried to deflect any connection between its fevered Kennedy hatred****

There was no such thing as ‘right’ and ‘left’ in the 50’s-60’s. You were a Democrat anti-communist or a Republican anti-Communist. Women loved JFK’s looks and men loved his Navy exploits. He was ‘popular’ not hated.

The movement for racial desegregation was still embryonic and Southern whites were still Democrats - so it was not a racist-motivated assassination either.


75 posted on 11/21/2011 9:47:42 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Gingrich-Cain 2012)
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To: Seizethecarp

Ooh, ooh! I know! I know! A bullet? Am I right, huh, huh? Am I right?


76 posted on 11/21/2011 9:55:37 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Ah, yes,
‘Tis the season.
Nov 22.
Kennedy Konspiracy Krismas.
Gentlemen, start your goofball theories!


77 posted on 11/21/2011 9:56:14 AM PST by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: Seizethecarp
I guess this is what end-stage syphilis looks like in writing.
78 posted on 11/21/2011 9:57:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Seizethecarp
the political polarization then was nothing compared to now. The Democrats controlled every part of government and could and did whatever they wanted.
79 posted on 11/21/2011 9:59:23 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Seizethecarp

Odd....in this day, Oswald would be part of an OWS event, not the Tea Party.


80 posted on 11/21/2011 10:04:09 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: Reeses
Most conservatives are really anti-waste, not anti-government.

When someone tells me that I'm anti-government because I am
a conservative I tell them I'm not anti-water just because
I don't want to drown. Too much is too much.

81 posted on 11/21/2011 10:07:12 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Seizethecarp

the real danger to Obama’s life and limb comes from Leftists who if his polls continue to drop may come to see him being more valuable to them as a martyr.


82 posted on 11/21/2011 10:17:42 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Seizethecarp
What Killed JFK

Duh! Frank, you're a moron!

As any idiot knows, Oswald killed Kennedy. Why? To impress his hero Fidel Castro!

Yes, Frank, a commie killed your hero. Progress killed the President. LOL! Live with it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ8U_ixXouA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdHHndbrCxI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_JChyrXkU 57-minute radio interview with Oswald August 17, 1963.

83 posted on 11/21/2011 10:21:10 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: Seizethecarp

Mr. Rich has finally slipped the bonds of reality. It’s like he was up all night desperately trying to blame any and all for the abject failure of his pluperfect marxist President Obama. Isn’t he the guy that commented on how perfect Obama’s pants were creased? I’m afraid he should seek medical help.


84 posted on 11/21/2011 10:22:30 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Seizethecarp

This proves that the moron Frank Rich can’t even write good fiction.


85 posted on 11/21/2011 10:22:39 AM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: Lady Lucky

“Oswald handing out “Fair Play For Cuba” flyers...yeah, dead giveaway. He was a Goldwater boy!”

Obviously that was just misdirection to hide his true right wing roots.

But seriously only a leftist could twist the facts to blame Kennedy’s death on disapproval from the right wing instead of the USSR/Cuba loving marxist who actually pulled the trigger.


86 posted on 11/21/2011 10:22:39 AM PST by Hacklehead (Maniac has responded with a scornful remark.)
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To: Seizethecarp

After all, it was you and me.


87 posted on 11/21/2011 10:26:00 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I like you, friend.


88 posted on 11/21/2011 10:31:51 AM PST by Lazamataz (Monkeys do not like getting slapped, contrary to popular belief.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Cui bono? Follow the money. Kennedy was killed by a CIA/Mafia hit team lead by Poppy Bush. See E. Howard Hunt's deathbed confession. LBJ, Nixon, and Hoover ran the cover up. Kennedy was going to break up both the privately owned, for profit corporation known as the Federal Reserve and the CIA, the private intelligence and para-military organization of the same Federal Reserve. Globalist Banksters do not subscribe to the left-right paradigm. That's political pablum used to distract the gullible public. They care about power and they'll kill who ever they need to hold on to it.
89 posted on 11/21/2011 10:42:23 AM PST by Roninf5-1
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To: Seizethecarp
I actually attempted to read this article in its entirity.

It is unreadable. I made it only halfway through the first page -- and there were 3 more pages.

It is flowery, indirect, and makes a million loop-de-loops without actually GOING anywhere.

Brevity, it is said, is the soul of wit..... and Frank Rich is witless.

90 posted on 11/21/2011 10:49:49 AM PST by Lazamataz (Monkeys do not like getting slapped, contrary to popular belief.)
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To: Seizethecarp

I was 13 years old on that day, and I vividly recall how the assumption was made that the assassin had to be a right-winger, until Oswald was captured. The left has never gotten over the reality that Oswald was one of them.


91 posted on 11/21/2011 10:57:58 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: w1andsodidwe
It reminds me of TWA 800. We that saw it happen that night were pretty sure that a missile hit it,

Oh good, I'm glad I'm not the only kook who said a missle hit TWA 800. I was boating in Long Island Sound and I heard someone on the VHF Radio that he saw somthing around the time 800 exploded.

that fuel tanks just occasionally explode on planes and that is what happened.

wait a second...that is what happened on 9/11. It wasn't TERRORISM it was a spark from the fuel tanks!! /s

Of course, with the amount of flying I do...why hasn't it EXPLODED on my plane??

92 posted on 11/21/2011 11:03:54 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Seizethecarp

Everyone needs to read:

“Me and Lee” by Judith Vary Baker

and

“Dr. Mary’s Monkey” by Ed Haslam

and

“The Virus and the Vaccine” by Bookchin and Shumaker

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mrs. Esopman


93 posted on 11/21/2011 11:16:52 AM PST by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere, and Their Supremely Intelligent Designer)
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To: Seizethecarp

I have my own theory on why JFK was assassinated, if not who was responsible for the assassination.

1) JFK had Addison’s disease, an established fact, among all his other medical problems. It is a chronic endocrine disorder in which the adrenal glands do not produce sufficient steroid hormones.

2) For years, JFK had been taking the only known treatment for Addison’s at the time, large doses of very expensive natural cortisone.

3) However, in the early 1950s, a drug company had devised a way to inexpensively synthesize cortisone. It was a new wonder drug used for all sorts of problems. But it was *mistakenly* believed that large doses of cortisone could make a person dangerously insane. Paranoid. This is not true, but it is what the medical community believed at the time.

4) In 1955, one of America’s top box office actors was James Mason. He starred in a movie called Bigger Than Life (1956), as a man with a deadly disease whose life is saved by taking cortisone. But he takes too much, and it turns him into a murderous maniac. Mason’s performance in the movie was reviewed as “chilling”.

5) This meant that not only doctors, but the public at large suddenly thought of cortisone as a dangerous drug that could drive people insane.

6) Everyone around JFK that knew he had Addison’s kept his secret, but one of the oddities of the disease is that it can, and in JFK’s case, *did* cause a significant change in the appearance of the upper body and facial skin. A change that could be seen from a good distance, and can even be seen in some of the videos of JFK at the time.

7) So put the pieces together. Any doctor could tell just by looking at JFK that he had Addison’s disease. He would also know that the only treatment for Addison’s was large doses of cortisone. And that cortisone could or would drive a person dangerously insane.

And this insane person could start a nuclear war, and had already come close during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Added up, with the “common knowledge” of the time, and there is a superb motive for the assassination of JFK.


94 posted on 11/21/2011 11:30:55 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Seizethecarp
Didn't read the article and don't care to read the article.

All I had to see was New York Magazine and Frank Rich to know the whole thing was Bravo Sierra!

95 posted on 11/21/2011 2:51:45 PM PST by TexanByBirth (Free Republic: where they may agree with the message, but they love to shoot the messenger!)
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To: Seizethecarp

Well afterall, it was you and me.


96 posted on 11/21/2011 2:52:16 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: I cannot think of a name
And it really had nothing to do with JFK or his policies - it was all about promises and deals old Joe made that weren’t kept.

I've read many books about the Kennedys and I've reached the same conclusion. If old Joe had not been incapacitated, he would never have allowed RFK go after the mob. He was an old scoundrel, but a smart one. He only screwed over other people when he knew he could get away with it.

97 posted on 11/21/2011 3:02:01 PM PST by Huntress ("Politicians exploit economic illiteracy." --Walter Williams)
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To: Lazamataz; hiredhand

Awesome !

That’s been printed out and placed on my sheep pen wall...........:o)

Thanks !


98 posted on 11/21/2011 3:39:17 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos; Lazamataz

That’s a keeper! I’ll print it tomorrow and stick it to my wall too! :-) Thanks!


99 posted on 11/21/2011 3:49:35 PM PST by hiredhand
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To: Mr. K
A bullet from the grassy knoll area killed Kennedy As a Physicist there is NO WAY they can convince me otherwise, after seeing the Zapruder film.

As a shooter there is NO WAY I'd shoot from the "grassy knoll" with a target moving left-to-right across my field of view. I want the target effectively stationary (moving away from me). At 60-70 yards it's an easy shot.

The shot did not come from the front as many have stated, because the windshield is in the way. A shot from the rear is ideal.

What killed Kennedy: Two 160gr 6.5mm rounds from a Italian Mannlicher-Carcano rifle moving at approximately 2200 fps.

100 posted on 11/21/2011 4:10:08 PM PST by nonsporting
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