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MF Global Trustee Estimates Shortfall Could Be $1.2 Billion+ (double original estimates)
NYTimes ^

Posted on 11/21/2011 8:50:41 AM PST by quesney

The court-appointed trustee overseeing the liquidation of MF Global’s brokerage now estimates that the shortfall in the firm’s customer funds could be more than $1.2 billion, double previous estimates.

(Excerpt) Read more at dealbook.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: corzine; cultureofcorruption; joncorzine; mf; mfgh; mfglobal; wallstreet; wallstreetbashing
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To: ken5050

Re your post 31: That’s exactly what I think happened, too. They tried to cover what they hoped was a temporary margine fund with customer cash. What part of “segregated funds” didn’t Corzine and his underlings not understand?


41 posted on 11/21/2011 9:48:40 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: quesney

They really need to take these financier terrorists who steal billions of other peoples money (including taxpayers) and put them in front of a firing squad, instead of dealing with them judiciously with kid gloves and fancy prisons. The level of these thefts should require capital punishment.

The policy should have been implemented starting in 2008 with Madoff and then moved on to the many others. It would put an end this financial thievery and skullduggery.


42 posted on 11/21/2011 9:50:08 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Kartographer

The Ferengi Rules Of Acquisition from Star Trek -

I like that, and it certainly applies.


43 posted on 11/21/2011 9:52:05 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: quesney

Anyone told The Messiah that this outfit is jut too big to fail?


44 posted on 11/21/2011 9:52:11 AM PST by Flint
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Thanks..did you see my #20 to you...how I think it went down?


45 posted on 11/21/2011 9:55:41 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050
The Feds wan direct testimony linking Corzine to the criminal acts..

Do you actually know that, or is it wishful thinking on your part?

(If the latter, I'm wishing too)

46 posted on 11/21/2011 10:04:38 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ml/nj
The big question really is: why hasn't Jon Corzine been indicted yet?

Bigger question: "Will he ever be indicted? Or even banned from the Securities industry?".

47 posted on 11/21/2011 10:09:22 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ml/nj

-————other people’s kids’ college money.——

Well, not exactly. The gambler does not have access or signatory authority to other kids college money.

He is however able to co mingle the money in his kid’ s with his own family general account.

The MF’ers co mingled customer money over which they had signatory authority with MF general funds. Lawyers co mingle trust money a lot and many get caught at it


48 posted on 11/21/2011 10:13:53 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: DuncanWaring
Of course I have no direct knowledge..but it's how the Feds work. If you accept the premise of my post #20, as to how the fraud went down..the "mechanics" of how it happened..then the Feds want to get clear direct testimony from those low on the food chain..you get 5-6 people all testifying to the same thing..that they were told by Corzine to move the funds out of the customers' accounts..and it's a slam dunk case.

You have to realize..Corzin was stupid...really stupid..he never in his dreams thought that he couldn't fix this in a few days, save his positions and the firm, and return the money back to the account. He acted on impulse, never considered the consequences...and never concealed his actions. I'd even wager that the clerks, the back office people who did the actual transfers, asked for email instructions..

Corzine has been quieter than even Madoff ( after he was arrested..) not a good sign, normally..he's in deep doo-doo..and he will be thrown under the bus....unless he has enough dirt on Obama, to force a pardon from Obama after he is defeated next November...

49 posted on 11/21/2011 10:22:02 AM PST by ken5050
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To: ken5050
Thanks..did you see my #20 to you...how I think it went down?

It sounds plausible. One other possibility is that Corzine delegated a lot, and the fund transfer came from below from detail people afraid of him after they carried out his top-level instructions on the bonds. "What--we lost money because you bought THOSE Italian bonds? I'll have your head!"

Even if that's not what happened, I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes the defense story.

50 posted on 11/21/2011 10:22:09 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: silverleaf
they floated the name of Jamie Gorelick

And what else floats?

51 posted on 11/21/2011 10:49:53 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: ml/nj
The big question really is: why hasn't Jon Corzine been indicted yet?

To give him time to flee to a safe haven? (Has his passport even been seized yet? But then, his type probably doesn't need a passport to leave the country...)

52 posted on 11/21/2011 12:00:54 PM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: quesney

From the comments:

I never read a story reporting that “due to a rapid withdrawal by armed men with masks, the bank has a shortfall of $100,000 in its cash drawer”

Or the bank opened 1000 customer safe deposit boxes which were surprisingly found to be empty. This shortfall is being investigated.

or The valet parking lot reported that 5000 cars could not be located. The shortfall is being investigated.

Larceny is the correct term.


53 posted on 11/21/2011 12:08:16 PM PST by denydenydeny (The moment you step into a world of facts, you step into a world of limits. --Chesterton)
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To: quesney
The game is rigged.

I just wish I could afford the hit to jump out of the market. Oh well, I never counted on the 401K lasting past the Boomers anyway.

54 posted on 11/21/2011 12:55:05 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: quesney
This Times story mentions Deloitte as part of the investigative team at MF. An analyst from Deloitte was featured in an OWS story last week.

Report: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Bunk in $700-a-Night NYC Hotel

These slimeballs are all tied together.

55 posted on 11/21/2011 12:56:25 PM PST by buschbaby (....not witty enough to utilize this space)
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To: quesney
We are seeing how really corrupt our government is if there are no criminal charges. Corzine needs to be held accountable, and money tracked down.

It is almost as if they know the system is going down across the board, steal it now.

56 posted on 11/21/2011 2:06:50 PM PST by opentalk
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To: crosshairs

Talk about a winning split.


57 posted on 11/21/2011 4:41:02 PM PST by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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