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Swinging to Romney
The Wall Street Journal ("Lie back and think of England") ^ | NOVEMBER 21, 2011 | ALLYSIA FINLEY

Posted on 11/21/2011 6:18:15 PM PST by presidio9

Republicans might not particularly like Mitt Romney, but they may have to learn to live with him if they want to take the White House next year. So suggests a poll released today by Purple Strategies, which surveys voters in 12 swing states: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.

President Obama's approval rating in the swing states is in peril -- just 41% overall and 37% among independents -- but his saving grace seems to be that voters there are even more sour on the Republican candidates. This critical block of voters gave all of the top GOP contenders lower marks than the president, which may be due in part to the barrage of negative media that Republicans have been facing as the race heats up. The scrutiny, however, will only intensify after the party settles on a nominee, so Republicans may want to choose a candidate who can withstand criticism.

Mr. Romney has the lowest negatives of the field, with 45% of voters giving him the thumbs down. Those numbers aren't great, but compare them to Herman Cain's. Fifty-two percent rate Herman Cain negatively and 22% say they definitely wouldn't vote for him. Just 10% say the same of Mitt Romney. Mr. Romney also fares the best of all the candidates in a head-to-head match-up against the president, running even with him at 45.

"Based on traditional metrics,

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1 posted on 11/21/2011 6:18:15 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

No to the Nth power.

Where N is an immeasurably large number.

RINOmney is an Obamahole.


2 posted on 11/21/2011 6:20:41 PM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: presidio9

If Romney gets the nomination, can we please have a third party candidate?


3 posted on 11/21/2011 6:21:45 PM PST by reasonisfaith (Or, more accurately---reason serves faith.)
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To: Da Coyote
quote “Republicans might not particularly like Mitt Romney”

ROFL

that's the understatement of the century!

I hate him, it's like a Mormon Bill Clinton is running on the Republican ticket, and somehow fooling ~20% of republicans into supporting him.

Let me make this very clear to any insiders that may be listening... I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ROMNEY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. If you push that him and his magic Mormon underware on me I will stay home or write in someone that doesn't make me want to hurl.

4 posted on 11/21/2011 6:24:25 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: presidio9

FUMR!!!

Step aside you A hole!


5 posted on 11/21/2011 6:27:46 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: presidio9

Swinging Romney?
I’m all in; where is the gallows?


6 posted on 11/21/2011 6:28:52 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: reasonisfaith
If Romney gets the nomination, can we please have a third party candidate?

Short answer: No we may not.

It is a source of constant amazment to me how many people on this conservative website need to be reminded that, in a two-party system, any failure to vote for the least undesirable candidate is mathmatically equivalent to a vote for the MOST undesirable candidate.

The whole point of this primary season is to annoint the most likely to suceed "not Romney" candidate so we don't end up with a McCain/Obama sequel. Thus far we on FR are doing a very good among ourselves ensuring that Romney will end up with the nomination.

That being said, if it comes down to it, best to simply take Queen Victoria's advice: Spread you legs, close your eyes, lie back, and think of England.

7 posted on 11/21/2011 6:31:47 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

I’d vote for the OTHER unpopular with GOP Newt. Never Romney. Aside from his politics, I just can’t stand the son of a bitch and don’t trust him as far as I could throw him. And I wouldn’t mind putting him in a cage and taking him for a spin on the highway, either.


8 posted on 11/21/2011 6:32:33 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: presidio9; reasonisfaith

You don’t have to worry. If Romney is the nominee, there WILL be a third party. It would probably happen with Newt as well. People will want an alternative.


9 posted on 11/21/2011 6:35:46 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: presidio9

I can’t find in the constitution where it says we are a 2 party system. Where is it?


10 posted on 11/21/2011 6:35:59 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: presidio9

Every voter owes it to their families and to their country to read “Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters?” A thorough history of Romney’s pre-political and his political careers.

Also, Google The White Horse Prophecy written by Joseph Smith early in the 19th century. Ronney is NOT a conservative by any stretch of the imagination! He just might be Smith’s White Horse!


11 posted on 11/21/2011 6:40:41 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: presidio9

I think all the Newt bashers deserve a nice round of applause. Way to go! Now we get Romney, job well done.


12 posted on 11/21/2011 6:41:46 PM PST by jpsb
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To: wolfman23601
I can’t find in the constitution where it says we are a 2 party system. Where is it?

Who ever said it did? Not me.

I'm dealing logically with political realities. Save your pointless strawman arguments for someone else. We have third party futility to thank for the Bill Clinton and Woodrow Wilson.

13 posted on 11/21/2011 6:42:40 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
If romney gets the nomination... I will work to destroy the republican party by supporting what is surely to rise up against the elite... a Conservative army of pissed off American voters!

LLS

14 posted on 11/21/2011 6:42:49 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: Ingtar
It would probably happen with Newt as well. People will want an alternative.

Really? Who would the candidate be? Not Donald Trump or Sarah Palin, I assure you.

15 posted on 11/21/2011 6:43:35 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Ingtar
You don’t have to worry. If Romney is the nominee, there WILL be a third party. It would probably happen with Newt as well. People will want an alternative.

Then we will have obama for another 4 years. No question about that.

16 posted on 11/21/2011 6:45:51 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: Ingtar

A third party means Obama wins.


17 posted on 11/21/2011 6:46:40 PM PST by floridarunner01
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To: TexasFreeper2009

The 15-20% represent the NE Country Club clinging to their power.

Pray for America


18 posted on 11/21/2011 6:46:51 PM PST by bray (Take the Cain Train off the Plantation)
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To: presidio9

19 posted on 11/21/2011 6:47:15 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: presidio9
If Romney becomes the nominee of the Repub party, he might well be the “Winfield Scott” of the Repub party (e.g. the last repub presidential nominee).
20 posted on 11/21/2011 6:47:58 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Irish Eyes; presidio9

So? If the stupid party gives me a choice between Obamacare and Romneycare, what choice is that? You want to stand for something, you have to differentiate yourself. Romney is Obama-lite.


21 posted on 11/21/2011 6:48:42 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: jpsb

“I think all the Newt bashers deserve a nice round of applause. Way to go! Now we get Romney, job well done.”

And, just what do you think Newt’s role in this whole game?

Do your homework.


22 posted on 11/21/2011 6:49:03 PM PST by maggief
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To: presidio9

*sigh* Yea, I know its anecdotal, but I have yet to speak to a conservative who will vote for Romney. It’s 3rd or write-in.

Again, I will NEVER EVER vote for RINO-Romney.


23 posted on 11/21/2011 6:52:06 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: presidio9
I believe with almost certainty... that Jim will allow no promotion of mitt romney on Free Republic... nomineee or not. Right wingers like myself swore an oath after mccain, that we would never again vote for a rino.

IF mitt is nominated... the republican party will no longer represent a positive force for America... she will be a second progressive party.

There are just too many reasons why some of us can never vote for romney. romney is a baby killer... I will not vote for a pro abortion communist... and mitt can lie and flip flop all that he wants... he is still a liar... once a liar... always a liar.

LLS

24 posted on 11/21/2011 6:52:09 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: icwhatudo
Cain is trending up 14, 15, 16, 17

You are reading this incorrectly. These are seperate polls from different sources over the same period. In all of these, Cain is trending WAY down from the low to mid 20's he was at two weeks ago. He can still rally, but he is definitely not trending up this week.

25 posted on 11/21/2011 6:52:10 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

Polls like this are utter non-sense this far out. They sold us this same line of b.s. 4 years ago and told us we HAVE to learn to live with McCain, cause he’s a “moderate” that can attract independents in swing states. How’d that work out for us?

What amazes me is how many conservatives fall for this line of crap every election cycle, when RINOs like Romney have a proven track record of failure. You have to go back to Nixon in 1972 to find the last time a GOP “moderate” actually won a presidential election. True-George H.W. Bush won in 1988, but that election he ran as a conservative, although he governed quite differently once elected, which explains his loss in 1992.

Bottom line-there is no reason to buy into this b.s. Let’s just agree that Romney does NOT represent the thinking of over 75% of the GOP, and work to nominate the best conservative alternative.


26 posted on 11/21/2011 6:52:33 PM PST by lquist1
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To: floridarunner01

That depends. A strong enough conservative third party might actually pull it off. That slim chance might be the best we have. Obama and Obama lite make little difference at this point. Obama lite could well be worse, giving the RINO congresscritters cover.


27 posted on 11/21/2011 6:52:49 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: presidio9

“That being said, if it comes down to it, best to simply take Queen Victoria’s advice: Spread you legs, close your eyes, lie back, and think of England. “

We quit taking British Royalty advice over 200 years ago.


28 posted on 11/21/2011 6:53:04 PM PST by Rebelbase (Yes we Cain!)
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To: jpsb
I think all the Newt bashers deserve a nice round of applause. Way to go! Now we get Romney, job well done.

You are not doing your cause any favors by continually mislabeling those who are pointing out Newt's FACTUAL failures where conservatism is concerned as "Bashers".

If anything, by that type of continual action, you only further magnify his deficiencies.
29 posted on 11/21/2011 6:53:04 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: LibLieSlayer
If romney gets the nomination... I will work to destroy the republican party by supporting what is surely to rise up against the elite

Thus insuring a second term for Michelle and her husband.

30 posted on 11/21/2011 6:53:36 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: presidio9

I refuse. It is what they have expected us to do for decades (been voting since Goldwater). They bank on taking advantage of us. Not this time. I WILL NEVER EVER vote for Romney. And no conservative I’ve spoken to will.

If they wanna scare me with Hussein, so be it. STILL not gonna vote for Romney.


31 posted on 11/21/2011 6:53:54 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: presidio9

If ““Republicans might not particularly like Mitt Romney” why on EARTH would we want him as our candidate?!

As I’ve said elsewhere, I don’t think ANY of our choices are acceptable. They all have problems. They all have baggage. However, I think that only Newt and Romney have a chance of beating Obama in a debate, so, out of the two, I’d go with Newt. If we go down in flames, at least we’ll have the debate of a lifetime to remember it by.


32 posted on 11/21/2011 6:55:05 PM PST by Pravious
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To: presidio9

Swing with Romney.

What a double entendre, that is given his perversions.


33 posted on 11/21/2011 6:55:56 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: presidio9
"he is definitely not trending up this week.

He is up 3 points from last weeks CNN poll (14%) to this weeks CNN poll (17%). Romney has gone down from 26, to 24, to 20 in the last 3 CNN polls and has faced no scandal or gaffes.

34 posted on 11/21/2011 6:56:43 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: wolfman23601

John Adams:

“There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.”

George Washington:

“The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.”


35 posted on 11/21/2011 6:57:06 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: jpsb

Newt had to be there so that when the conservatives started coalescing around a single candidate, they would still feel they had an alternative that could be easily removed once that candidate was trashed.


36 posted on 11/21/2011 6:57:39 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: presidio9

If the GOP takes Romney,
the entire GOP will lose (Romney and Obama smile).


37 posted on 11/21/2011 7:02:20 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: ladyjane
Bull... the party leadership and those weak of faith in our ideology will share the blame... not those of us that have warned all of you since 2008. It will be the linguine spined moderates of the republican brand that will be the culprits... not those of us that stand firm in our beliefs... and as Ronald Reagan so eloquently stated:

“Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?

Let us show that we stand for fiscal integrity and sound money and above all for an end to deficit spending, with ultimate retirement of the national debt.

Let us also include a permanent limit on the percentage of the people's earnings government can take without their consent.

Let our banner proclaim a genuine tax reform that will begin by simplifying the income tax so that workers can compute their obligation without having to employ legal help.

And let it provide indexing—adjusting the brackets to the cost of living—so that an increase in salary merely to keep pace with inflation does not move the taxpayer into a surtax bracket. Failure to provide this means an increase in government's share and would make the worker worse off than he was before he got the raise.

Let our banner proclaim our belief in a free market as the greatest provider for the people.

Let us also call for an end to the nit-picking, the harassment and over-regulation of business and industry which restricts expansion and our ability to compete in world markets.

Let us explore ways to ward off socialism, not by increasing government's coercive power, but by increasing participation by the people in the ownership of our industrial machine.

Our banner must recognize the responsibility of government to protect the law-abiding, holding those who commit misdeeds personally accountable.

And we must make it plain to international adventurers that our love of peace stops short of “peace at any price.”

We will maintain whatever level of strength is necessary to preserve our free way of life.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

I do not believe I have proposed anything that is contrary to what has been considered Republican principle. It is at the same time the very basis of conservatism. It is time to reassert that principle and raise it to full view. And if there are those who cannot subscribe to these principles, then let them go their way.”

mitt romney is the antithesis of every single point that Ronald Reagan gave to us in his above speech. Anyone voting for romney is NOT voting for Conservative ideology... they are voting for a progressive kennedy-esqe leftist.

LLS

38 posted on 11/21/2011 7:07:33 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: icwhatudo

I have no interest in attacking Herman Cain, but I will question your methods. The MOE on the CNN poll is 6.5%. Cain may very well rally at some point in the next month, but any sane observer will agree that he is currently trending downwards.


39 posted on 11/21/2011 7:12:16 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: reasonisfaith

I guess we have to consider what happens after a few primaries and whom are the people still standing. Right now it looks as if Romney, Newt, Paul will be the final three with Romney getting very few of the votes which would have gone to the others running against him. I hope no one “swings” to Romney. To me that means Newt, Paul and Romney, in that order will be the “winners” going into super tuesday. I would give Romney no chance in such an event. Perhaps none of the three will have a majority before the convention. As long as Paul is in the mix, he will not bolt to a third party, which is good. It promises to be quite a convention.


40 posted on 11/21/2011 7:13:54 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: presidio9

It is obvious that emotion, hostility, and reflex are the norm on this subject.

Question: Did anyone watch Sean Hannity’s interview of him (it its entirety) this evening?

Thoughts?


41 posted on 11/21/2011 7:18:38 PM PST by JimInMO
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To: presidio9

Tough, WSJ Rinos.

I won’t vote for Romney, so it will do you no good to think he might win Ohio.

The Constitution party will run a candidate. I will vote for that candidate or for a 3rd party conservative should they run.

Read my lips: Romney will NOT get my vote. Ever.


42 posted on 11/21/2011 7:20:35 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Ingtar

What is wrong with the true conservative, Herman Cain, who is winning most of the straw polls every where and getting some very nice endorsements? Can’t risk MItt; Don’t trust liberal and flip flopper Newt; Perry may be a great governor, but is not presidential material.

Herman Cain has the focus and all of the skills needed so desperately today. He has no baggage. Either Santorum or Bachmann may be a good vp, though John Bolton would be really good vp, IMO.

FOX is really playing Romney up tonight!


43 posted on 11/21/2011 7:21:07 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: presidio9

I thought it was forbidden to show support for Mitt in any way on FR?


44 posted on 11/21/2011 7:23:44 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Mouton
Right now it looks as if Romney, Newt, Paul will be the final three with Romney getting very few of the votes which would have gone to the others running against him.

While I have no doubt that Paul will continue to get the consistent 8-10% of the Republican vote that is libertarian, I sinserely doubt that he can ever build on that number. The man has been running for president for 12 years now and he has never been higher. The majority of the Repubican party is rightly suspicious of his insane foreign policy ideas. However, if Ron Paul decides to run 3rd party again (and he would not deny this on Hannity's radio program yesterday), the only thing he will accompish is 4 more years of Obama.

45 posted on 11/21/2011 7:30:06 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: stuartcr

Is posting the article “support”, or is that merely informing us about the present lay of the land, according to some “experts”?

Why would we NOT want to be informed, of all the “good” and the “bad”?


46 posted on 11/21/2011 7:31:01 PM PST by JimInMO
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To: presidio9
Thus far we on FR are doing a very good among ourselves ensuring that Romney will end up with the nomination.

So true. I no longer think FR as a conservative website but rather an Evangelical website. I still love the interesting selection of links posted by members but the discussions that follow are often offensive, immature and hateful. These comments from anonymous members has really killed the mood here. I prefer the format of Facebook with people posting under their true identities in a way that fosters personal responsibility. As all true conservatives know, personal liberty cannot exist without personal responsibility.

47 posted on 11/21/2011 7:31:01 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: stuartcr

Just to be clear: I am definitely NOT an Romney supporter. I favor Santorum, but I will get behind Gingrich if he is the only candidate left who can upset Romney.


48 posted on 11/21/2011 7:31:29 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

“any failure to vote for the least undesirable candidate is mathmatically equivalent to a vote for the MOST undesirable candidate.”

So very true. But don’t waste your time fighting the suicidal groupthink on this thread!


49 posted on 11/21/2011 7:33:18 PM PST by balls (0 lies like a Muslim (Google "taqiyya"))
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To: Zevonismymuse

At the very least, there should be a rule on FR forcing critics to identify an alternative: “I can’t get behind GOP candidate X. because... That’s why I’m going with candidate Y.”


50 posted on 11/21/2011 7:35:30 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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