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Happy Halal Thanksgiving (Boycott Butterball)
American Thinker ^ | November 21, 2011 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 11/21/2011 6:47:27 PM PST by Mount Athos

Did you know that the turkey you're going to enjoy on Thanksgiving Day this Thursday is probably halal? If it's a Butterball turkey, then it certainly is.

I discovered that only two plants in the U.S. that perform halal slaughter keep the halal meat separated from the non-halal meat. At other meat-packing plants, animals are slaughtered following halal requirements, but then only a small bit of the meat is actually labeled halal.

Wendy Howze, a Butterball Consumer Response Representative, responded: "Our whole turkeys are certified halal."

Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein, and letting the blood drain out while saying "Bismillah allahu akbar" -- in the name of Allah the greatest. Many people refuse to eat it on religious grounds.

Others object because of the cruelty to animals that halal slaughter necessitates.

Still others refuse to do so on principle: why should we be forced to conform to Islamic norms? It's Islamic supremacism on the march, yet again.

Non-Muslims in America and Europe don't deserve to have halal turkey forced upon them in this way, without their knowledge or consent.

The same Islamic law that mandates that animals be cruelly slaughtered according to halal requirements also teaches hatred of and warfare against unbelievers, the oppression of women, the extinguishing of free speech, and much more that is inimical to our freedom. Don't support it on this celebration of freedom. Join our Facebook group, 'Boycott Butterball'.

Don't buy a Butterball turkey for Thanksgiving.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: butterball; cosco; halal; turkey
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To: DManA

Isn’t that the same Mohammedan chant used when they behead Infidels?


51 posted on 11/21/2011 7:46:48 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: DManA
If they have a worker who does this, more power to them. Doesn't a Rabbi have to be present at the preparation of the food product for it to be considered 'Kosher'?

My point is a company should not be penalized simply for providing a product that is acceptable to some number of the population of this country.

52 posted on 11/21/2011 7:56:42 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: mockingbyrd

The turkey must be faced towards Mecca and a prayer said when it is killed.


53 posted on 11/21/2011 7:58:26 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Great barter! Good for you guys, I love that!
54 posted on 11/21/2011 7:58:59 PM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I believe you skipped over a relevant part.

1 Corinthians

27If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if anyone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience’ saked

I believe what you quoted was KJV. NIV and others say do not eat it.


55 posted on 11/21/2011 8:02:45 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: DManA

That question came up last night on FR. Every Islamic source I can find, and I looked onto Halal certification websites, say that a prayer to Allah must be said for it to be Halal.


56 posted on 11/21/2011 8:05:00 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Liberty Valance

Perfect addition to this thread.


57 posted on 11/21/2011 8:06:45 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: marty60

Halal and Kosher are not equivalent. Halal requires that the slaughtered animal be made to face Mecca and prayer to Allah be said.


58 posted on 11/21/2011 8:10:04 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

That’s not what the passage teaches. You clipped two verses out of context:

10:23 “Everything is lawful,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is lawful,” but not everything builds others up.

10:24 Do not seek your own good, but the good of the other person.

10:25 Eat anything that is sold in the marketplace without questions of conscience, 10:26 for the earth and its abundance are the Lord’s.

10:27 If an unbeliever invites you to dinner and you want to go, eat whatever is served without asking questions of conscience.

10:28 But if someone says to you, “This is from a sacrifice,” do not eat, because of the one who told you and because of conscience –

10:29 I do not mean yours but the other person’s. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience?

10:30 If I partake with thankfulness, why am I blamed for the food that I give thanks for?

10:31 So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God.

10:32 Do not give offense to Jews or Greeks or to the church of God, 10:33 just as I also try to please everyone in all things. I do not seek my own benefit, but the benefit of many, so that they may be saved.”

http://net.bible.org/#!bible/1+Corinthians+10:23

What is the purpose of refraining from eating meat offered to idols *if* an *unbeliever* brings it to your attention? That the unbeliever will repent and become a believer.


59 posted on 11/21/2011 8:17:41 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: DManA

My understanding is that it is permissible to have a continuous loop playing while the animals are slaughtered in accordance with Islamic rules.


60 posted on 11/21/2011 8:21:06 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Thanks.


61 posted on 11/21/2011 8:25:07 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Mount Athos

Another tidbit on Halal. All and I repeat all of Costco’s lamb is now halal and their Coleman organic chicken. So since we loved the lamb and the organic chicken this is our last year with Costco. We are looking into Sam’s or BJ’s.

Most people just think that Halal is like Kosher. It is not. Kosher slaughter is just a way of processing so all of the blood gets out of the meat. Halal is actually a sacrifice. They point that lamb/turkey in the direction of the Black Rock of Mecca and sacrifice it to Allah. We are all Muslims now.


62 posted on 11/21/2011 8:26:03 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Mount Athos

Personally, I prefer ham. Win-win in my viewpoint.


63 posted on 11/21/2011 9:13:49 PM PST by gracie1 (Look, just because you have to tolerate something doesnÂ’t mean you have to approve of it.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Your paintings are awesome, as are your photographs.


64 posted on 11/21/2011 9:22:04 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: SuziQ

My point is do whatever the hell you like. I’ll make my choices for my own reasons.


65 posted on 11/21/2011 9:26:09 PM PST by DManA
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To: bwc2221

Wonderful. Lets have full disclosure. Eat a turkey dedicated to Satan or have a clean one. I know what I’ll choose.


66 posted on 11/21/2011 9:34:12 PM PST by DManA
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To: Altariel

***That’s not what the passage teaches. You clipped two verses out of context:***

I think you misread what I meant. In the Pagan world almost all meat in the market place had been offered on alters to various gods, then sent to the market place to be sold.

You go, buy some meat and don’t ask questions. If you were told the meat had been offered to idols, even in a feast, you don’t partake of it! and if you did, it showed the seller or host that you approved of the sacrifices. Any other Christians seeing you eat the sacrificed meat would conclude you were not a true Christian. So, YOU DON’T PARTAKE if you know it is a sacrifice.

Buying halal meat from a moslem meat shop shows the seller you are accepting moslem dietary rules.


67 posted on 11/21/2011 9:34:54 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

Thank you. That means something to me. It is a matter of being a good steward of God’s gifts.


68 posted on 11/21/2011 9:37:23 PM PST by DManA
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I absolutely agree with you.

Now that I know what they do with this meat I have a moral choice to make.


69 posted on 11/21/2011 9:39:50 PM PST by DManA
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The lesson is not “never partake of meat sold to idols”. Paul’s lesson is “It is better to refrain from certain liberties than to engage in behavior that you KNOW will cause people to reject Christ.”

You omitted verse 27 to make a “point” that distorts Paul’s meaning. Paul’s concern is not with the meat nor the false gods but with doing everything he can to win unbelievers to Christ.

Is your primary concern with halal meat that eating it will cause Muslims dining at your Thanksgiving table to reject Christ?


70 posted on 11/21/2011 9:44:01 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Altariel

The point is if you have a choice between clean meat and meat dedicated to Satan then it would be better to choose clean meat.


71 posted on 11/21/2011 9:51:14 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Nowhere in Scripture does Paul make that argument.


72 posted on 11/21/2011 10:13:41 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Ingtar
Halal just means you cut their throat and let them bleed to death instead of hitting them on the head like they do cattle.

No big deal.

If you object, then buy an Empire Kosher brand turkey.

73 posted on 11/21/2011 10:41:51 PM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Mount Athos; All

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No Butterballs for us.

____________________

Jihad per TV ‘realism series’- ‘All American Muslims’
TLC Sunday, 9 PM CST

‘It is an attempt to manipulate Americans into ignoring the threat of jihad and to bully them into thinking that being concerned about the jihad threat would somehow victimize these nice people in this show.

The problem people have with Islam is its teachings of violence against and the subjugation of unbelievers. It is with the supremacist ideology and the fervent believers in those noxious doctrines of warfare and subjugation. Yhe ultimate danger posed by a program presenting the “normal” side of life for American Muslims is that it isn’t accurate.

The danger is in the deception and obfuscation of the truth which results in the intellectual disarming of the American people.’

Pam Geller
_______________________

Email TLC.

Protest

Boycott

Get up a petition. This atrosity MUST be stopped!

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74 posted on 11/21/2011 11:16:42 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Altariel

Ok. It is my original argument. Call me nuts. But given a choice I choose meat not dedicated to Satan.


75 posted on 11/22/2011 12:04:02 AM PST by DManA
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To: LadyDoc

Thank you for the recommendation. I think I just might do that.


76 posted on 11/22/2011 12:05:17 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

And you have the right to that choice. Perhaps your conscience is such that for you it would be a sin.

But your justification is one of personal philosophy, not a biblical one.

Anyway, I hope you and yours have a blessed Thanksgiving.


77 posted on 11/22/2011 6:07:51 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: DManA

there is the distinction.


78 posted on 11/22/2011 6:22:10 AM PST by marty60
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To: Altariel

Maybe you are mistaking me for another poster. I never claimed my objection was Biblical. If the last turkey in town was a Butterball I’d buy one.

If you choose to buy one I wouldn’t gain say you.


79 posted on 11/22/2011 7:24:42 AM PST by DManA
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To: LadyDoc

Can it be halal without the prayer and without only Moslem hands touching it?


80 posted on 11/22/2011 8:50:24 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
VERY WELL PUT!!!
81 posted on 11/22/2011 9:35:26 AM PST by Valin
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To: napscoordinator; Eaker

Obviously you are both secret Muslims, sent here to undermine our nation, and steal our vital bodily fluids!

Note mention destroy Thanksgiving.

:-)


82 posted on 11/22/2011 9:40:16 AM PST by Valin (I'm not completely worthless. I can be used as a bad example.)
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To: DManA

Apologies. I misinterpreted you.


83 posted on 11/22/2011 12:09:19 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: LadyDoc
Halal just means you cut their throat and let them bleed to death instead of hitting them on the head like they do cattle.

It also means an Islamic prayer is read during the process. Butterball is not denying this is happening.
84 posted on 11/22/2011 12:12:26 PM PST by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Mount Athos

This is good to know... And it’s not “too late” for some of us out there!

The last two Thanksgivings we’ve bought our turkeys from the local meat market — fresh. We’ll be calling again tomorrow morning and crossing our fingers they have an extra for us last-minute by necessity shoppers... Anyway, I will definitely think twice about buying Butterball products in the future.

I’m curious though - for those who have mentioned they will just buy a generic/store brand turkey... How do you know where the turkeys come from? Most store brands are simply regular brands with the branding removed and the store packaging used instead. For instance, at King Soopers in Colorado the store brand yogurt is DANNON yogurt only in a different container (note: I found this out about 10 years ago for King Soopers - don’t know if it is still Dannon). Now, I don’t know if it’s the same for meat, it’s just something that crossed my mind.


85 posted on 11/22/2011 9:35:14 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: americanophile; Islaminaction; Kolokotronis; annalex; MahatmaGandu; NYer; La Lydia; AnalogReigns; ..
ISLAMIZATION PING LIST

"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets,
the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers."

Infidels: freepmail me if you want on or off this list.


86 posted on 11/23/2011 3:57:22 PM PST by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: Mount Athos

I glad we didn’t buy a Butterball.


87 posted on 11/23/2011 4:01:11 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Mount Athos

Butterball is overpriced. We bought a Kroger Premium turkey. Now I am doubly glad we saved our money!


88 posted on 11/23/2011 4:09:58 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Mount Athos

89 posted on 11/23/2011 4:13:22 PM PST by Daffynition ( **Choose being kind over being right, and you'll be right every time.**)
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To: americanophile
I love butchering koranimals!!
90 posted on 11/23/2011 6:43:12 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: americanophile
this Infidel thanks you for the ping!
Jeff Durum's Ackmel:
*joke/*
"I CILL YOU!" 8D
*/joke*

91 posted on 11/23/2011 9:23:38 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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To: DManA
The point is if you have a choice between clean meat and meat dedicated to Satan then it would be better to choose clean meat.

I just want full disclosure...if Butterball is so damn proud that their turkeys are 'halal'; then put a big bright sticker on it so I can make an INFORMED choice...seems like Butterball is pulling as 'wink-wink' here...

92 posted on 11/28/2011 4:01:28 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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