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Posted on 11/21/2011 6:47:27 PM PST by Mount Athos
Did you know that the turkey you're going to enjoy on Thanksgiving Day this Thursday is probably halal? If it's a Butterball turkey, then it certainly is.
I discovered that only two plants in the U.S. that perform halal slaughter keep the halal meat separated from the non-halal meat. At other meat-packing plants, animals are slaughtered following halal requirements, but then only a small bit of the meat is actually labeled halal.
Wendy Howze, a Butterball Consumer Response Representative, responded: "Our whole turkeys are certified halal."
Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus, and the jugular vein, and letting the blood drain out while saying "Bismillah allahu akbar" -- in the name of Allah the greatest. Many people refuse to eat it on religious grounds.
Others object because of the cruelty to animals that halal slaughter necessitates.
Still others refuse to do so on principle: why should we be forced to conform to Islamic norms? It's Islamic supremacism on the march, yet again.
Non-Muslims in America and Europe don't deserve to have halal turkey forced upon them in this way, without their knowledge or consent.
The same Islamic law that mandates that animals be cruelly slaughtered according to halal requirements also teaches hatred of and warfare against unbelievers, the oppression of women, the extinguishing of free speech, and much more that is inimical to our freedom. Don't support it on this celebration of freedom. Join our Facebook group, 'Boycott Butterball'.
Don't buy a Butterball turkey for Thanksgiving.
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Isn’t that the same Mohammedan chant used when they behead Infidels?
My point is a company should not be penalized simply for providing a product that is acceptable to some number of the population of this country.
The turkey must be faced towards Mecca and a prayer said when it is killed.
I believe you skipped over a relevant part.
1 Corinthians
27If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28But if anyone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience’ saked
I believe what you quoted was KJV. NIV and others say do not eat it.
That question came up last night on FR. Every Islamic source I can find, and I looked onto Halal certification websites, say that a prayer to Allah must be said for it to be Halal.
Perfect addition to this thread.
Halal and Kosher are not equivalent. Halal requires that the slaughtered animal be made to face Mecca and prayer to Allah be said.
That’s not what the passage teaches. You clipped two verses out of context:
10:23 “Everything is lawful,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is lawful,” but not everything builds others up.
10:24 Do not seek your own good, but the good of the other person.
10:25 Eat anything that is sold in the marketplace without questions of conscience, 10:26 for the earth and its abundance are the Lord’s.
10:27 If an unbeliever invites you to dinner and you want to go, eat whatever is served without asking questions of conscience.
10:28 But if someone says to you, “This is from a sacrifice,” do not eat, because of the one who told you and because of conscience –
10:29 I do not mean yours but the other person’s. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience?
10:30 If I partake with thankfulness, why am I blamed for the food that I give thanks for?
10:31 So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God.
10:32 Do not give offense to Jews or Greeks or to the church of God, 10:33 just as I also try to please everyone in all things. I do not seek my own benefit, but the benefit of many, so that they may be saved.”
http://net.bible.org/#!bible/1+Corinthians+10:23
What is the purpose of refraining from eating meat offered to idols *if* an *unbeliever* brings it to your attention? That the unbeliever will repent and become a believer.
My understanding is that it is permissible to have a continuous loop playing while the animals are slaughtered in accordance with Islamic rules.
Thanks.
Another tidbit on Halal. All and I repeat all of Costco’s lamb is now halal and their Coleman organic chicken. So since we loved the lamb and the organic chicken this is our last year with Costco. We are looking into Sam’s or BJ’s.
Most people just think that Halal is like Kosher. It is not. Kosher slaughter is just a way of processing so all of the blood gets out of the meat. Halal is actually a sacrifice. They point that lamb/turkey in the direction of the Black Rock of Mecca and sacrifice it to Allah. We are all Muslims now.
Personally, I prefer ham. Win-win in my viewpoint.
Your paintings are awesome, as are your photographs.
My point is do whatever the hell you like. I’ll make my choices for my own reasons.
Wonderful. Lets have full disclosure. Eat a turkey dedicated to Satan or have a clean one. I know what I’ll choose.
***That’s not what the passage teaches. You clipped two verses out of context:***
I think you misread what I meant. In the Pagan world almost all meat in the market place had been offered on alters to various gods, then sent to the market place to be sold.
You go, buy some meat and don’t ask questions. If you were told the meat had been offered to idols, even in a feast, you don’t partake of it! and if you did, it showed the seller or host that you approved of the sacrifices. Any other Christians seeing you eat the sacrificed meat would conclude you were not a true Christian. So, YOU DON’T PARTAKE if you know it is a sacrifice.
Buying halal meat from a moslem meat shop shows the seller you are accepting moslem dietary rules.
Thank you. That means something to me. It is a matter of being a good steward of God’s gifts.
I absolutely agree with you.
Now that I know what they do with this meat I have a moral choice to make.
The lesson is not “never partake of meat sold to idols”. Paul’s lesson is “It is better to refrain from certain liberties than to engage in behavior that you KNOW will cause people to reject Christ.”
You omitted verse 27 to make a “point” that distorts Paul’s meaning. Paul’s concern is not with the meat nor the false gods but with doing everything he can to win unbelievers to Christ.
Is your primary concern with halal meat that eating it will cause Muslims dining at your Thanksgiving table to reject Christ?
The point is if you have a choice between clean meat and meat dedicated to Satan then it would be better to choose clean meat.
Nowhere in Scripture does Paul make that argument.
No big deal.
If you object, then buy an Empire Kosher brand turkey.
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No Butterballs for us.
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‘It is an attempt to manipulate Americans into ignoring the threat of jihad and to bully them into thinking that being concerned about the jihad threat would somehow victimize these nice people in this show.
The problem people have with Islam is its teachings of violence against and the subjugation of unbelievers. It is with the supremacist ideology and the fervent believers in those noxious doctrines of warfare and subjugation. Yhe ultimate danger posed by a program presenting the “normal” side of life for American Muslims is that it isn’t accurate.
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Ok. It is my original argument. Call me nuts. But given a choice I choose meat not dedicated to Satan.
Thank you for the recommendation. I think I just might do that.
And you have the right to that choice. Perhaps your conscience is such that for you it would be a sin.
But your justification is one of personal philosophy, not a biblical one.
Anyway, I hope you and yours have a blessed Thanksgiving.
there is the distinction.
Maybe you are mistaking me for another poster. I never claimed my objection was Biblical. If the last turkey in town was a Butterball I’d buy one.
If you choose to buy one I wouldn’t gain say you.
Can it be halal without the prayer and without only Moslem hands touching it?
Obviously you are both secret Muslims, sent here to undermine our nation, and steal our vital bodily fluids!
Note mention destroy Thanksgiving.
:-)
Apologies. I misinterpreted you.
This is good to know... And it’s not “too late” for some of us out there!
The last two Thanksgivings we’ve bought our turkeys from the local meat market — fresh. We’ll be calling again tomorrow morning and crossing our fingers they have an extra for us last-minute by necessity shoppers... Anyway, I will definitely think twice about buying Butterball products in the future.
I’m curious though - for those who have mentioned they will just buy a generic/store brand turkey... How do you know where the turkeys come from? Most store brands are simply regular brands with the branding removed and the store packaging used instead. For instance, at King Soopers in Colorado the store brand yogurt is DANNON yogurt only in a different container (note: I found this out about 10 years ago for King Soopers - don’t know if it is still Dannon). Now, I don’t know if it’s the same for meat, it’s just something that crossed my mind.
"The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets,
the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers."
Infidels: freepmail me if you want on or off this list.
I glad we didn’t buy a Butterball.
Butterball is overpriced. We bought a Kroger Premium turkey. Now I am doubly glad we saved our money!
I love butchering koranimals!! 
I just want full disclosure...if Butterball is so damn proud that their turkeys are 'halal'; then put a big bright sticker on it so I can make an INFORMED choice...seems like Butterball is pulling as 'wink-wink' here...
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