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Modern Dallas coming to grips with Kennedy assassination (Barf Alert)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 11/22/2011 | Molly Hennessy-Fiske

Posted on 11/21/2011 10:35:35 PM PST by Lattero

Those organizing the 50th anniversary event — many of whom, like Longford, are not from Dallas or were born after 1963 — say they are not capitalizing on memories of Camelot. They want to show the world how far "Big D," the fourth-largest metropolitan area in the country, has come from its days as a conservative outpost of big-haired socialites, oil tycoons and cowboys.

"People arrive and expect to see people walking down the street in cowboy hats," said Phillip Jones, head of the Dallas Convention and Visitors Bureau. "Instead, they find a city with the sixth-largest gay and lesbian population in the country, where 40% of the population is Hispanic and more than 20% is African American."

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Darwin Payne, then a reporter with the Dallas Times Herald, had run to Dealey Plaza to interview a teary Abraham Zapruder, who filmed his iconic footage of the assassination while standing at one of the pergolas, a spot that came to be known as Zapruder's Perch. Payne said many Dallasites felt guilty because they had ignored or condoned other conflicts leading up to the assassination, including an attack by conservative activists on U.N. Ambassador Adlai Stevenson.

"We were defensive at first. Then the realization came — we let the extreme right wing go on too long. We let them do too much," said Payne, author of "Big D: Triumphs and Troubles of an American Supercity in the 20th Century."

But in time, Payne said, "the attitude became, 'We have to be tolerant of other viewpoints and not allow extremists to run rampant.' "

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: US: Texas
KEYWORDS: barfalert; jfk; kennedyassassination; oswald; reichstagfire

1 posted on 11/21/2011 10:35:41 PM PST by Lattero
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To: Lattero
"We were defensive at first. Then the realization came — we let the extreme right wing go on too long. We let them do too much," said Payne, author of "Big D: Triumphs and Troubles of an American Supercity in the 20th Century."

Somehow the article never finds it appropriate to point out that Kennedy was killed by a commie, not a right wing extremist.

2 posted on 11/21/2011 10:40:03 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Lattero
From my visit to Dealey Plaza.


3 posted on 11/21/2011 10:44:48 PM PST by South40
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To: Lattero

JFK’s successor was LBJ.


4 posted on 11/21/2011 10:50:17 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: South40
I remember where I was I heard Kennedy was shot.

I also remember where I was when I rode over that X. The Connally position.

A commie killed Kennedy. Not that it matters.

5 posted on 11/21/2011 10:57:15 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: South40
From my visit to Dealey Plaza.

The kill shot came from here. Above the Grassy Knoll, behind the white wall, just in front of the big tree.

From standing where you took your picture of the X in the street, it would be up behind your left shoulder.


6 posted on 11/21/2011 11:14:10 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Talisker
From standing where you took your picture of the X in the street, it would be up behind your left shoulder.

I'm well aware of the location of the grassy knoll; I was there just 2 years ago. I took this shot from there.


7 posted on 11/21/2011 11:18:53 PM PST by South40
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To: Lattero
...have announced plans for a large 50th anniversary event in 2013, and are raising $2.2 million in public and private money to restore Dealey Plaza.

That should be some celebration. What are these dopes thinking. Having an event to cash in on a guy getting his brains blown on to his wife's lap. Geez. By reading what types of Leftist wackos and degenerates populate Dallas, who would want to go there anyway?

8 posted on 11/21/2011 11:22:52 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lattero

“Instead, they find a city with the sixth-largest gay and lesbian population in the country, where 40% of the population is Hispanic and more than 20% is African American.”

Huh? What happened to all the white people?


9 posted on 11/21/2011 11:23:24 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Lattero

Well, let us start with the fact that Dallas was not a cowtown—that would be Ft. Worth—but an agricultural center. It is at the extreme edge of northEAST Texas. As for the conservatives, they have just moved North, into North Dallas, the Park Cities and suburbs like Plano and Lewisville, which are Tea Party country.


10 posted on 11/21/2011 11:23:34 PM PST by RobbyS (Viva Christus Rex.)
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To: Lattero

Only in Texas can a U.S. president be assassinated, while the assassin is murdered on camera, while in police custody.

Top shelf security!


11 posted on 11/21/2011 11:43:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Sherman Logan
Somehow the article never finds it appropriate to point out that Kennedy was killed by a commie, not a right wing extremist.

That's one theory.

A second holds that Kennedy was out to get Castro and Fuzzy Face bumped Jack off first.

A third holds that Papa Joe and Jack double-crossed the Mob -- who stole the Rat nomination fair and square for Jack by delivering the unionized West Virginia coal miners in the primary (finally putting Jack over the top) -- and then stole the general election fair and square by delivering Chicago (and Illinois) along with mayor Daley in the general election -- only to be betrayed by attorney general brother Boobie who went after the boys in the pinstripe suits with a vengeance. The Mafia in turn did to Jack what they do to everyone who everyone they consider to be a traitor.

Any way you slice it, your main premise holds. Kennedy was bumped off by someone other than a right wing nut.

12 posted on 11/21/2011 11:48:32 PM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: Lattero

I remember when Reagan was shot. When the word came that Hinkley had bought his pistol in Dallas, Frank Reynolds, the newsman threw up his hands and yelled...”OH!DALLAS!”


13 posted on 11/21/2011 11:56:09 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: South40
A clear, clean shot alright from that perch. The distance is incredibly close, that motorcade moving ever so slowly.

A Marxist, screwed up boy who went to the USSR and wandered around aimlessly in life, wanting to be a "big boy" (and only that kid), wife-beating in the process, popped off those shots from that window. Convinced. Marxist kid though and through. Screwed up. This had nothing to do with conservatism nor the right side of the political spectrum, although this was their Rush to Judgment in only about three hours after the deed was done, they were all over the three networks and radio with such a theory, long since proven wrong.

14 posted on 11/22/2011 12:00:43 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (BASHING a Conservative candidate? Practice full disclosure via tagline w/your own preference)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
This had nothing to do with conservatism nor the right side of the political spectrum, although this was their Rush to Judgment in only about three hours after the deed was done, they were all over the three networks and radio with such a theory, long since proven wrong.

And the left did not learn anything from their mistake. Recall after Gabby Giffords had been shot they tried to once again lay blame on the right and this time Sarah Palin. Fools.

15 posted on 11/22/2011 12:06:50 AM PST by South40
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To: South40

If from this phone angle behind that fence for cover facing Elm Street and the X (forgive me if I make this inference incorrectly), then, Mr. Kennedy would have been hit on the right side of his head, which he was not. He was hit from the rear, it want straight through, exited the front, and nerve impuse of the shot to his brain sent him jerking backward the moment of shot. Even if you want to subscribe to the theory he as hit from the front, then it certainly was not from this position. No way could he have been shot from this position where the pic was taken. Also, people looking right up in this direction would have directly seen a “grassy knoll positioned” rifle and the smoke and report, whilst nearly everyone on the medium strip of grass was NOT focused on the true source of the shot, up and BEHIND THEM, the sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository Building on Elm, right behind them, but rather on President Kennedy and the direct he was traveling...which the false theory says would be right toward the “fence” or “knoll” shooter. Shots fired from the front initially would also have John Connally looking forward to the sound of the gunshot report, not looking backward. I had the privilege of briefly meeting John Connally (RIP) years ago—after he switched parties, and while I am sure he tired of the question, I did ask it anyway just off the dais, and he said to me, it came from the BACK. I believe him.


16 posted on 11/22/2011 12:11:55 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (BASHING a Conservative candidate? Practice full disclosure via tagline w/your own preference)
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To: haroldeveryman
they find a city with the sixth-largest gay and lesbian population in the country

That surprised me.
17 posted on 11/22/2011 12:12:55 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: AmericanInTokyo

“phone” = “photo”


18 posted on 11/22/2011 12:14:14 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (BASHING a Conservative candidate? Practice full disclosure via tagline w/your own preference)
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To: Lattero

Molly Hennssey Fiske who more than likely has never set foot in Texas. And, BTW, there was never a Camelot outside the mind of Jackie Kennedy and the press.

19 posted on 11/22/2011 12:17:56 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Lattero

BTW, Molly, don’t bend over anywhere near the World Trade Center.
Artsy fartsy gay dudes with cowboy boots may scare you. /s


20 posted on 11/22/2011 12:20:51 AM PST by kcvl
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To: South40
From my visit to Dealey Plaza.

Do they still call it that?

Did they change any of the names of streets/building in honor of Kennedy? Thanks for the pictures.
21 posted on 11/22/2011 12:24:34 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Lattero

As of the census of 2000, the racial makeup of Dallas was 50.8% White, 25.9% Black or African American, 0.5% Native American, 2.7% Asian, 0.1% Pacific Islander, 17.2% from other races, and 2.7% from two or more races. 35.6% of the population was Hispanic or Latino of any race. Hispanics outnumbered blacks for the first time in the 2000 census as the largest minority group in Dallas.

There were 451,833 households out of which 30.3% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 38.8% were married couples living together, 14.9% had a female householder with no husband present, and 41.0% are classified as non-families by the United States Census Bureau. Of 451,833 households, 23,959 are unmarried partner households: 18,684 heterosexual, 3,615 same-sex male, and 1,660 same-sex female households. 32.9% of all households were made up of individuals and 6.5% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.58 and the average family size was 3.37.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Dallas


22 posted on 11/22/2011 12:37:09 AM PST by kcvl
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To: haroldeveryman

As of the census of 2000, the racial makeup of Dallas was 50.8% White


23 posted on 11/22/2011 12:38:44 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Lattero

Even after Oswald was in custody, the media blamed the right for creating the climate that killed Kennedy. These beliefs had consequences. As Rick Perlstein, in his study of the Goldwater movement in 1964 stated, “Lee Harvey Oswald had cut down Goldwater’s chances as surely as he did John Kennedy.” And conspiracy nuts began their search for a more politically satisfying sniper.

To his credit, author Stephen King does accept that Oswald did it alone.  But in a recent interview with Camelot merchant Chris Matthews on MSNBC, King reverted to the media’s “blame the Right first” school of assassination theories.

King said that right wingers in 1963 created the atmosphere of hate that ultimately killed Kennedy. Even when Matthews reminded him of the central thesis of his new novel “11/22/63,” that a far leftist killed Kennedy, King still stuck to the script.

He dismissed Oswald’s Marxism as merely the “product of a demented mind” and argued that what really motivated Oswald’s life was a desire for fame. King applied the atmosphere of right-wing hate then with now, and feared that once again a president would be struck down.

King claims that he delved deep into Oswald’s life while writing his new book. If true, then he should know Oswald was far from being an activated agent but was a careful planner. Right-wing hate did not propel him into joining the Marines or associate with Japanese communists while in uniform. Nor did a Bircher-like atmosphere frog walk him into defecting to the Soviet Union.

King should have not ventured beyond Oswald the “fame junkie” for every act he performed — attempting to join both the American Communist Party and the Troskyites, passing out pro-Castro leaflets in a naval yard, trying to get a visa into Communist Cuba, planning to hijack a plane to Cuba — was an attempt to elbow his way into history.

If there was an anti-Communist atmosphere that activated him, it centered around Kennedy’s attempts to kill Oswald’s beloved Fidel Castro. In one stroke, Oswald could satisfy his two twin passions: fame and helping the Cuban Revolution.

Most damning to his theory of the hate climate killing Kennedy is in how he portrays Oswald’s richest and best friend in Dallas, George De Mohrenschildt. The wealthy Mohrenschildt, a Castro supporter, encouraged Oswald to kill Kennedy and thus end the assassination attempts. If King wanted to provide fictional support for his beliefs, it might have been better to have Oswald listening to a right-winger preaching violence, and then, robotically, perform his own. But alas,in this case, fiction is more valid than King’s facts.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/rcapshaw/2011/11/15/stephen-king-ignores-history-to-blame-the-right/


24 posted on 11/22/2011 12:47:32 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Lattero

Texas was primarily a one party state—Democratic. However, there were two distinct factions, the liberals, controlled mostly by the unions and the conservative branch, which Connally came out of. The two branches fought each other in the primaries more furiously than today’s Republican and Democratic fights. Somehow in Orange County, the two factions had come together to support Connally.

A rift had developed between Gov. Connally and Sen. Ralph Yarborough, a far-to-the-left liberal and the darling of the labor forces, Yarborough was also a friend to Orange County.. Kennedy came to Texas to unite the two factions that threatened to split the state party. Because of the upcoming presidential election, he needed to heal the wounds.

http://therecordlive.com/article/Columnists/Roy_Dunn/Kennedy_killed_events_before_and_after_Nov_22_1963/65640


25 posted on 11/22/2011 12:52:52 AM PST by kcvl
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Oswald, a crazy leftist with above average rifle skills did it alone. He'd already made an attempt on a General. Anybody who studies his life should have no doubt he did it.

But I still ponder all the events and circumstances surrounding the assassination and think of the odds against it.

26 posted on 11/22/2011 1:21:35 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Somebody would have talked credibly about it by now 48 years later (if it involved more than one person or had some kind of money trail of sort and/or led to more powerful people/interests), but nobody has piped up to anyone's satisfaction. But a lot of wanabee's though. Kind of like Truthers.

"Did you shoot the President?" "Uh, No, nobody has told me that, nobody has charged me with that."

Slick man. Slick words. Lucky firing skills for him that day. But, payback was a b*tch as he was to find out two days after that. Still, I would have truly wanted a trial with him on the stand, no doubt about that. That was the great injustice.

27 posted on 11/22/2011 2:14:05 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (BASHING a Conservative candidate? Practice full disclosure via tagline w/your own preference)
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To: dragnet2

All according to plan...


28 posted on 11/22/2011 2:31:50 AM PST by Post5203 (Our political class have sullied a good man's name...Washington)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

How do you explain the bullet hole in the Lincoln’s windshield and the fact that a piece of Kennedy’s skull blew off to the back


29 posted on 11/22/2011 3:17:18 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Lattero
“Instead, they find a city with the sixth-largest gay and lesbian population in the country, where 40% of the population is Hispanic and more than 20% is African American.”

Well, pardner, that just makes me wanna run down to the U-HAUL and get started on the move.

30 posted on 11/22/2011 4:37:02 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Lattero

Hey, California, shut up and send us your jobs.


31 posted on 11/22/2011 5:33:52 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Lattero

Whenever I feel masochistic and want to be buried by commie hubris and cow dung, I read the LA Times. Molly the LA Times scribbler, unfortunately, left her brain on a Dallas street and a stampede ran over it.


32 posted on 11/22/2011 5:43:28 AM PST by sergeantdave
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To: Lattero
He dismissed Oswald’s Marxism as merely the “product of a demented mind”

Isn't that always the case? Isn't it always the product of a demented mind?

33 posted on 11/22/2011 5:48:06 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: kcvl

They’re actually fine chaps. Too bad they’re not wearing any pants with them.


34 posted on 11/22/2011 6:07:31 AM PST by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Back and to the Left..."
35 posted on 11/22/2011 6:15:29 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: South Dakota

Hydrostatic pressure caused by the physical impact of the rifle bullet at a high speed into the cranium containing essentially a liquid (the brain, akin to water), and the fact that nerve movements (involuntary) could also account for the way he moved. It is not a surprise to me that he could be shot with a high powered rifle from the rear and still have a considerable portion of the skull from that area eject backward, even in the direction of the lone shooter. Ever sight and hit a watermelon from 250 feet with a 6.5x52mm Cartuccia Modello 1895 rimless cartridge via a Carcano? Believe me, you will see all kinds of ejecta going different directions that in and off themselves dont necessarily point to the shooter being in a certain position. Nope. Oswald did it. He had the smirk on his face upon being arrested, obviously proud of the two murders he had committed that day, with with a rifle and one with a snub nose .38 Special. He demanded his Communist attorney, John Abt. Lee was a nut. For what purposes we will never know. Politics? To feel important? Angry at Kennedy as he was at General Edwin Walker (whom he also popped off a shot at)? We could go on and on.


36 posted on 11/22/2011 8:07:13 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (BASHING a Conservative candidate? Practice full disclosure via tagline w/your own preference)
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To: presently no screen name
Do they still call it that? Did they change any of the names of streets/building in honor of Kennedy? Thanks for the pictures.

It is all stayed remarkably unchanged. The only thing I am aware of that has changed it the school book depository building now has a museum on the 6th floor and the building itself is now called the Dallas County Administration Building. There is a plaque on the ground on the grass next to where the X is on the road and I parked in a lot behind the wooden fence up the grassy knoll.

37 posted on 11/22/2011 10:26:52 AM PST by South40
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To: South40

Thanks. Kinda shocking no name change - just a plaque - for such a major event- assassination of a President. Who knows, maybe they asked Jackie and she didn’t want his name on anything there. I wouldn’t have been surprised if they changed ‘Dallas’ to ‘Kennedy’. I remember that day. Everyone was a wreck - don’t think I came across a dry eye.

One more thing- That ‘x’ was where Connolly was shot? - They specifically say Connolly and don’t mention Kennedy?

Thanks, again, for the pictures and the info. They were interesting to see.


38 posted on 11/22/2011 1:47:19 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
One more thing. There is an 'open air' Kennedy Memorial in Dallas just two blocks from Dealey Plaza. You can see it here.
39 posted on 11/22/2011 3:32:07 PM PST by South40
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To: South40

Thank you. Now you started a career in FR ‘internet travel’. I like it!

While it’s good to see there is some memorial but???? I don’t ‘get it’. But maybe that’s the point - I don’t get his assassination either. I think they could have done a much better job at a memorial than that. I guess the only thing that isn’t big in TX is ‘ideas/creativity’.


40 posted on 11/22/2011 4:50:28 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: AmericanInTokyo

"Did you shoot the President?" "Uh, No, nobody has told me that, nobody has charged me with that."

In 1963 I was thirteen and the assassination made a huge impression on me. My mother got me a LP called A Time To Keep 1963 which is a basically a compilation of various audio recorded during special happenings during the year 1963. Of course the assassination figures prominently on it. It was made by NBC and narrated by Chet Huntley and David Brinkley. I still have it and I took it out to play today because the Oswald quote as you posted it, wasn't as I remembered hearing it. The following are Oswald's words in his own voice as heard on the RCA record.

Reporter-"Did you shoot the President?"

Oswald-"I didn't shoot anybody sir. I haven't been told what I'm here for"

Reporter (possibly a different one)- "Do you have a lawyer?"

Oswald- "No sir, I don't


41 posted on 11/22/2011 5:49:15 PM PST by Mila
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To: presently no screen name
I agree. The memorial seemed a bit lacking given the weight of the incident and the principles involved. But put into context it was a dark hour for Dallas and all of the state of Texas. A black eye, if you will. Prior to Kennedy's visit a sitting president hadn't visited Dallas since, I believe, the 1930s. Kennedy breaks that streak and gets brutally murdered for his troubles. I believe the people of Dallas and Texas in general didn't want the incident to be what Dallas is best known for. Unfortunately, it is.

My wife and I are both old enough to remember the incident very well. And while we did other things while visiting Dallas, we went there because we wanted to visit Dealey Plaza. It was incredibly informative and I recommend it to anyone who has an interest in that dark day in American history.

42 posted on 11/22/2011 5:55:51 PM PST by South40
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To: Mila

Yes but he made several statements to the press in the hallway, and that is one I recalled...


43 posted on 11/22/2011 6:28:14 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (BASHING a Conservative candidate? Practice full disclosure via tagline w/your own preference)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Yes but he made several statements to the press in the hallway, and that is one I recalled..."

Oh, I understand what you are saying. I wondered if that might be it. Thanks for the clarification :)

44 posted on 11/24/2011 1:42:30 AM PST by Mila
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