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Workers push back against earlier holiday openings (Crybaby Alert!)
Richmond Times ^ | 11.22.11

Posted on 11/22/2011 5:56:13 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat

Count your blessings, then get to work.

That may be Thanksgiving for more retail workers this year, as stores desperate to pull in buyers on the first weekend of the holiday shopping season push their openings earlier and earlier.

Unhappy workers who say the earlier hours ruin their Thanksgiving celebrations are trying to persuade companies to back off, but retailers say they're stuck: It's what customers want.

Reporting to work at 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Dayruinswhat issupposed to bea day spent with family, said Anthony Hardwick, who works part time at a Target store in Omaha, Neb., corralling carts.

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A co-worker has been complaining that her hubby has to be in to a well-known national retail store on Thanksgiving night...like they are suffering some great injustice.

I want to smack these people.

For the last 30 plus years, I have worked many many Thanksgivings, Christmases, New Years, etc. Hearing these damn whiners bitching about having to get their asses to work just like countless employees before them makes me want to hurl.

Maybe these punks ought to quit. Or try to form a union. Idiots.

1 posted on 11/22/2011 5:56:16 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Any Denny’s workers a part of this? :-D

Now they know why retail is not a valid career path, as most of the rest of us figured out when we were young.


2 posted on 11/22/2011 5:57:40 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Dim congress will be setting up a government program to help ease the impact of this injustice.
3 posted on 11/22/2011 6:00:03 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I must really be getting old. As a teen I remember grabbing as many holiday hours as I could. Loved the overtime $$$.


4 posted on 11/22/2011 6:00:34 AM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
This is what destroys a great family tradition.

It is no longer a day of giving thanks and spending a fun day together.

It's all about the almighty dollar.

Sorry if I come off sounding like a whiner, tough guy.

5 posted on 11/22/2011 6:00:43 AM PST by Post5203 (Our political class have sullied a good man's name...Washington)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

“Crybaby alert?” Are you serious? As the Pope said (the last one) “Man is not made for work, work is made for man.” Humans are not just supposed to be slaves.

Already the “blue laws” were repealed allowing stores to remain open on Sunday and church attendance decreased. Now the stores (places for us to buy more garbage made in China that we don’t need) will be open 24-7 even on the most reered holidays. Each day endlessly like the last, nothing sacred because it is not cool to give thanks to God for your blessings or to celebrate a Christian holiday like Christmas. (If you are celebrating hip hop or sex with multiple partners or species, that is cool, however.)


6 posted on 11/22/2011 6:01:47 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

revered holidays


7 posted on 11/22/2011 6:02:47 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
If these workers were unionized, they could tell the companies when they were going to be open.

This is just more reason why we need forced unionization.

This message brought to you by your friendly neighborhood SEIU goons.

8 posted on 11/22/2011 6:03:39 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The very idea of a community organizer is to stir up a mob for some political purpose." Ann Coulter)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Waffle House employees are REQUIRED to work at least four hours on every holiday.

Not to mention hospital staff, police officers, fire dept, etc...


9 posted on 11/22/2011 6:04:48 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Post5203

If people would refuse to attend these ridiculous black friday sales the retailers wouldn’t open early, for retailers it is all about $$. On a side note as a teen I loved holiday pay. I am working for a few hours on Thanksgiving in order to bless someone else with time with their family.


10 posted on 11/22/2011 6:05:33 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: Recovering_Democrat
They should “occupy” the parking lot. Pitch tents, defecate in the entrances, urinate on customers, rape women and children. That’ll show ‘em!
11 posted on 11/22/2011 6:07:17 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I wouldn’t leap to any conclusions without more information about particular workplaces. A lot depends on what employees are told when they hired on, and on how a place has traditionally been run. If an employer needs you to be able to work nights, late hours, weekends, etc. and to change schedules at the drop of a hat, fine — but people need to know this up front. Retail can be a tough gig, but even retail doesn’t own you 24/7.


12 posted on 11/22/2011 6:07:33 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Post5203

I agree with you. Yes, it’s one thing where people providing essential services must work — that is part of their job and career, but why must we unceasingly encroach upon near sacred and sacred holidays so retailers can make more money. What about preserving family and family time together. Is it too much to ask that we take one day out of 365 and give thanks to our Creator who has blessed us so? Really, is even that too much?


13 posted on 11/22/2011 6:08:50 AM PST by Obadiah (If Reagan were alive today he'd be spinning in his grave.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Sundays have become shopping days. Holidays are now shopping days.

Consumers can end this commercialism by staying home and shopping Monday-Saturday and never on a holiday. Retailers can only make money if customers show up.


14 posted on 11/22/2011 6:25:40 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Post5203
I totally agree. It seems we have put the love of money before the love of family. It also seems that the holidays are being replaced with shopping days.I remember in my teens, the days of working on holidays and how much I hated it. I didn't bitch about it... I found a better job.
This replacing time honored days of rest and family is fading away. This is also way I love Chic-Fil-A... They close on Sunday.
15 posted on 11/22/2011 6:27:24 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: autumnraine

I do not equate taking care of the needy with catering to shoppers. Please stop that.

I have worked many holidays- Christmas, Thanksgiving, 4th of July. Being with sick and injured people who can’t be with their families makes the holiday different, but it’s still a holiday. And somebody has to be there for them.

This retail priority is for those who care nothing for the dignity of the family. The customers, here, are the real crybabies.


16 posted on 11/22/2011 6:30:05 AM PST by stanne
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To: txrefugee

I can tell you from experience, never shopping on Sundays is not a problem.


17 posted on 11/22/2011 6:32:15 AM PST by stanne
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I disagree.

Our culture has been breaking down for years. Families spend hardly any time together and the ties are weak. The government is at the tail end of atomizing us into individual units without supports.

Having holidays and Sundays available to make and reinforce ties with others was a culture-making endeavor. Granted there has always been skeleton staffs at the 24/7 operations like hosptials and treatment plants and bridges and many others.

We complain aabout the coarsening of the culture, but we aid it by placing money above everything. In order to apprciate and understand our culture we need time to reflect on it, find it valueaable and honor its rites.


18 posted on 11/22/2011 6:33:05 AM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Post5203

I agree with you, that’s why I boycott Black Friday. I hate it in principle, plus the deals are overrated, even if you’re lucky enough to get the items they mark down.


19 posted on 11/22/2011 6:34:09 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I worked retail during the holidays.

I hated it as it fully killed my love for the season. Not until I saw the Vatican Christmas mass a few years later did I start to get it back.

These people should quit like I did, although I do sympathize with their sentiment. It is a job. If you are going to stay then roll with the punches.

Anyway, I plan on shopping local. I’m not giving a dime to these soulless boxes of China crap.


20 posted on 11/22/2011 6:36:49 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

man, how times have changed, when I was younger we loved having to work on Holidays and Sundays (Bible Belt) because that meant overtime or an extra days work which meant a bigger pay check!


21 posted on 11/22/2011 6:38:13 AM PST by martinidon
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To: Recovering_Democrat
As someone who served in the USAF for 8 years back in the 60's--and I doubt those "lonesome" feelings have changed much--including having to be away from family on Holidays for 6 of those 8 years due to assignments overseas, try telling your tales of woe and whining about having to work on Thanksgiving to the 1/4 Million of our Brave men and women who are not even in the U.S.; will not be able to be with their "Families"--or loved ones--and more than likely, will also be "working" on Thanksgiving and Christmas, and New Years, and Easter, and, and, and....especially those serving in harms way, who WISHED all they had to do was "work on Thanksgiving" here in the U.S., close to their Families and get to be with them before and after this Holiday?

Get a life, already!!!

22 posted on 11/22/2011 6:42:38 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: truthkeeper
I agree, the work ethic in today's youth is just not the same.
23 posted on 11/22/2011 6:43:35 AM PST by martinidon
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I think we agree. Did you take my statement to mean we didn’t?


24 posted on 11/22/2011 6:51:24 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: yldstrk
If it isnt agreeable with them, they can seek employment elsewhere! So many folks are out of work right now and cant find a job...this is a really bad play on the part of the cry babies who have the privilege and ability to work.

Romans 14: 5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord.

25 posted on 11/22/2011 6:52:45 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: TheGunny

Ha ha your scripture doesn’t agree with your rant........


26 posted on 11/22/2011 6:57:20 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: truthkeeper

Same here. I remember getting double time and a half and it was awesome!!!


27 posted on 11/22/2011 7:00:26 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The signed petitions were hand-delivered to the Minneapolis-based retailer's headquarters on Monday in three plastic Target shopping bags.

The petition was received by Anahita Cameron, Target's director of human resources for Northern region stores...

Ms. Cameron promptly threw the three bags in the incinerator.

28 posted on 11/22/2011 7:04:23 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: yldstrk
It absolutely does. The point that I am trying to make in contrast to yours is that A) they dont have to work there, B) they should consider them selves blessed to have a job, and C)If a man's conscience keeps him from working on the sabbath or holy day so be it! He should refrain from work in that case. But if it doesnt and the market calls for extended hours or holiday work (because the bottom line depends on it) then he, having no objections, should put his working clothes on and get to it...with a sense of purpose and gratitude.
29 posted on 11/22/2011 7:04:57 AM PST by TheGunny
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To: Post5203

No problem.

I understand the sentiment, but this kind of stuff makes people become “creative” in their ways to find family time.
My college job kept me busy over the Christmas season, and I couldn’t go home. So we found a way to celebrate the day another way.

Young people need to realize a job is WORK. They’ll be motivated to find jobs they enjoy....and get out of ones they dislike. A strong work ethic sometimes means working long, unpleasant hours.

I am frankly astounded by the number of posts here who object to private sector capitalism being practiced. Do I understand people like being with family on Thanksgiving? Absolutely. I am among them...sometimes it works out for me, sometimes it doesn’t. The whining like a victim is my objection—people who do that are not exhibiting strong character.


30 posted on 11/22/2011 7:05:49 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Post5203; yldstrk

Quit. Lots of time to enjoy the holidays then.


31 posted on 11/22/2011 7:06:48 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: dfwgator

I do not shop retail on BF either. Not interested.


32 posted on 11/22/2011 7:09:11 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
...but this kind of stuff makes people become “creative” in their ways to find family time.

Agreed. If it takes holiday "togetherness time" to guarantee family cohesiveness, the "family" has other problems.

33 posted on 11/22/2011 7:12:49 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: stanne

Oh I agree with you, and I think that our lives are becoming more and more commercially motivated. When you give up Thanksgiving, or demand that others do, just so you can get a bargain on some STUFF?

But to complain about working... when many MANY people would gladly work it because they are also desperate for a paycheck. It just comes off as whiny.


34 posted on 11/22/2011 7:14:52 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Sorry, I sympathize with these people. I normally work Christmas Eve (I volunteer) and in a family of musicians, some one is working on a holiday. I don’t mind restaurants being open as some people really don’t cook and the restaurants are probably supporting emergency room staff by preventing accidents and food poisoning. I have considered moving into a fine dining waitstaff position and understand that Thanksgiving and Easter would be high volume working days.

General retail, though, makes me nuts. I find it really pathetic that people can’t stop and just spend time with their neighbors and families for ONE DAY.

Don’t shop, don’t go to the movies. Enjoy a meal and visit. Go to the high school early afternoon football game or the parish’s morning activity. If you are really at loose ends, volunteer at a nursing home or soup kitchen’s celebration.

Besides who are they buying this stuff for? A lot of Black Friday merchandise doesn’t end up being a true Christmas gift. It’s something the purchaser bought for themselves.


35 posted on 11/22/2011 7:19:13 AM PST by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: Obadiah
Is it too much to ask that we take one day out of 365 and give thanks to our Creator who has blessed us so?

You have it backwards. There are 365 days to give thanks and to be with your family. It shouldn't matter that you work on Monday, Thursday or Sunday if your children need to be fed. This is a Thursday, not a Sunday. This is not a religious holiday. Are you going to use this same "one day out of 365 and give thanks to our Creator" for Christmas and Easter, too?

36 posted on 11/22/2011 7:20:25 AM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: bgill

Yes. Yes I am.


37 posted on 11/22/2011 7:35:03 AM PST by Obadiah (If Reagan were alive today he'd be spinning in his grave.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Don’t work in retail, then. Go work for the government. Problem solved.


38 posted on 11/22/2011 7:48:11 AM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I can’t think of an Easter, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas or New years day I’ve had off. I always wanted to work those days as that is when my paycheck was MUCH BIGGER!

What if all stores were REQUIRED to close those days? Can anyone travel to Grandma’s house if all convenience and gas stations are closed? How about aircraft pilots getting the day off. No flights! You would basicly have a complete shutdown of the US.
Why should Power Plant workers be on the job so others can have power to enjoy the holidays?
Quit bitching and enjoy the overtime pay!


39 posted on 11/22/2011 7:58:10 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: moovova

Free Republic has become infested with tough guys


40 posted on 11/22/2011 8:03:20 AM PST by Post5203 (Our political class have sullied a good man's name...Washington)
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To: txrefugee

Yes it is the consumer that drives retail, anyone that wants to stop holiday shopping so the employees can be with their families needs to stay home on those days. If enough people did that the stores would not make money being open so they would close.

I have never shopped these sales, I have worked holidays many times. I imagine people will continue to mob the stores and the stores need employees to make sales so anyone that doesn’t want to work holidays will likely have to find other work. Before some of you post to me that there is no other work now- if that is true then those people need to thank their lucky stars they have a job and work as hard as they can so their employer makes enough money to keep them employed.


41 posted on 11/22/2011 8:07:19 AM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

The only culture is the corporate culture, is that right?


42 posted on 11/22/2011 8:22:22 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: stanne

never shopping on Sunday not a problem

You have that right. Unfortunately a few not shopping does not dent the gazillions that do. However it does put me at peace with the commandment to keep the Sabbath (Sunday in my case) holy.


43 posted on 11/22/2011 8:31:24 AM PST by handmade
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To: Post5203
Free Republic has become infested with tough guys

Thank you!

44 posted on 11/22/2011 8:53:56 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You make overtime? Is that a union job?


45 posted on 11/22/2011 9:33:13 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: yldstrk

It is cultural destruction pure and simple. The corporatists want everyone to be consuming all the time, never stopping for family or spiritual reflection.

The paradox is that they make so much money off of Christmas,and Thanksgiving, yet they have effectively killed it off.

They think that adding the billions of other people from other cultures— who may be ‘offended’ by Thanksgiving and Christmas will improve the bottom line. But the last laugh will be on them. Their ‘free trade’ scheme creates societies in communist countries that produce goods but doesn’t pay enough wages for the workers to buy them. Not only have they destroyed our economy, they have made us ‘interdependent’ with the coming communist China economic implosion.

And since we have forgotten to give thanks and and preserve the Christian roots of our founding, as evidenced by many of the comments on this thread, we will have no platform to sustain us and rebuild our society.


46 posted on 11/22/2011 9:45:38 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: martinidon

Who gets paid overtime these days? Union workers, government workers. Which one are you?


47 posted on 11/22/2011 9:47:35 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

***You make overtime?***

When I worked in a chicken hatchery, no. Straight time for weekends and holidays.

When I worked in the power plants, yes it was union and the plant had to be manned 24/7. I loved the overtime and was willing to work others vacations and if they wanted off for the holidays.

I am now retired. No union pension, only savings from the OT.


48 posted on 11/22/2011 10:05:27 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Now go look at the state labor laws and see how many occupations are exempt from overtime.

Overtime for most workers is non-existent, so it isn’t really an honest argument. And how do you preserve the cultural fabric of the nation, if its cultural identity is subsumed by the corporatist mantra that everything must be 24/7? Its just turning the country into OWS anarchy, a mish-mash of nothing. No culture, no belief.


49 posted on 11/22/2011 10:20:08 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Chickensoup

Well said.


50 posted on 11/22/2011 10:20:59 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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