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Child Rape Deserves the Ultimate Punishment
Townhall.com ^ | November 22, 2011 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 11/22/2011 6:24:31 AM PST by Kaslin

Child rape is an unforgivable offense and should be severely punished. It should be a capital crime.

Unfortunately and unwisely, the U.S. Supreme Court in 2008 struck down a Louisiana law that provided for the death penalty in cases of child rape. Part of the court's rationale was that only a few states had such laws at the time, and they saw no national consensus even though there were several proposed laws in additional states and the movement was growing.

I am calling on Congress to pass bipartisan legislation against this horrific crime without delay. The Federal Death Penalty Act of 1994 should be updated to include child rape. Perhaps then the Supreme Court will get a clue about how the American people really feel.

I write as a victim of this crime when I was very young, and I can testify that it is an experience that forever scars its victims. We might think of child rape as an "unspeakable" crime, but the fact is we need to speak up for the sake of our children.

The recent scandal at Penn State once again shows that there are adults among us who prey on the very young. As far as I am concerned, such adults should be punished as severely as the law allows. It is an offense against the most vulnerable among us.

That this latest incident occurred at a center of learning, famed among other things for its stellar athletic programs, shows that no place is immune from episodes of sexual abuse of the young. Where there are youngsters in abundance, as at a college campus or a school yard, there is a strong possibility that there will also be predators lurking about and scheming to abuse them sexually.

The thing about the Penn State case that most shocks me is the absolute failure of some of the college's authorities to deal with a crime on their campus that could not have escaped their notice. Long-famed for winning football teams managed by one of the nation's top coaches, Penn State will now be remembered as the site of dismal failure in protecting children

Parents need to be aware of this problem and should see to it that their youngsters are given appropriate guidance that they must be careful to avoid situations where they might be victimized by adult child abusers, and that they must promptly report any attempt by adults to abuse them sexually.

As I wrote above, as a youngster I was abused by an adult. Because I was very young and not aware that I was a victim and not a willing participant in this crime, I failed to report this abuse to my parents or to the authorities. I fear that today's victims might share this fear and unknowingly allow their abusers to avoid the harsh punishments they deserve to experience. That exposes other youngsters to victimization, so our children need encouragement to speak up as well.

Let it never be forgotten that child abuse, especially by sexual predators, is a widespread crime. Let all parents remain alert to any signs that their youngsters are victims of sex abuse by adults. Your children need you.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: ageofconsent; childrape; joepaterno; moralabsolutes; pedophile; pennstate; rape; raperape
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1 posted on 11/22/2011 6:24:39 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

“The Federal Death Penalty Act of 1994 should be updated to include child rape.”

I like the concept however, that would have the potential of further damaging the victims.


2 posted on 11/22/2011 6:31:45 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: Kaslin
I'm in favor of capital punishment being on the table for any crime in which the victim would have been justified resisting with lethal force; certainly, this would include rape.
3 posted on 11/22/2011 6:34:44 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Kaslin

It is the mentality that has permeated our Society since January of 1973.

Children whether born or unborn have no rights in our society,

They are considered mere possessions.

the Supremes believe numbers matter? I would like the supremes to tell us exactly WHEN and HOW many have to be brutalized BEFORE it becomes a violation of the right to be safe in your person and property?


4 posted on 11/22/2011 6:35:10 AM PST by marty60
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“” I am calling on Congress to pass bipartisan legislation against this horrific crime without delay””


No need to get the Feds involved. Let the 50 states enact their own laws for this crime.


5 posted on 11/22/2011 6:36:11 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

No need to get the Feds involved. Let the 50 states enact their own laws for this crime.


Agreed. Just the phrase “Federal Death Penalty” sends chills up my spine.


6 posted on 11/22/2011 6:39:12 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Kaslin

Eh...considering that it takes nothing more than the word of the supposed victim to get an innocent man convicted of these charges, I’m going to say this is a baaaad idea.


7 posted on 11/22/2011 6:40:49 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Use it up, wear it out, make it over or do without.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

“No need to get the Feds involved. Let the 50 states enact their own laws for this crime.”

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Agreed.

So I’ll show my ignorance and ask how was the US Supreme Court able to “strike down” the LA law in the FIRST place?


8 posted on 11/22/2011 6:43:32 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Kaslin
Child rape is an unforgivable offense and should be severely punished. It should be a capital crime.

I agree, but if the death penalty is to be used in such cases, I think some mechanism(s) MUST be put in place to assure that the occasional outbreak of "epidemic" false accusations do not lead to the execution of innocent persons.

There have been a couple of notorious cases in this country in which children were coerced/cajoled by overzealous "crusaders" in to 'remembering' things that did not happen. A day care provider named Virginia Martin, (or McMartin maybe? the name is escaping me right now) and her entire family had their lives and reputations ruined by accusations of child molestation and child rape. The accusations later proved false.

9 posted on 11/22/2011 6:48:40 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Kaslin

Unfortunately, giving the death penalty for child rape gives the rapist an incentive to kill the child. Nothing to lose.

A life sentence would protect other children from the rapist.


10 posted on 11/22/2011 6:48:41 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Agreed.


11 posted on 11/22/2011 6:49:36 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25 percent more sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: WayneS

The Amirault family in Massachusetts and a young teacher named Kelly Michaels in New Jersey were also found guilty on rigged-up charges by prosecutors who manipulated children. Gerald Amirault served 18 years and his name is still not officially cleared.


12 posted on 11/22/2011 6:54:08 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Kaslin

We have legal Capital punishment out the wazoo. Take the bigger blob of tissue to your local planned parenthood.

They don’t even need to bury the guy, just dump him in a dumpster out back.

Why don’t you go after the larger number of child destroyers - the mothers, fathers, supporting government...and the voters.

This sounds like Nazi’s screaming discrimination.


13 posted on 11/22/2011 6:55:48 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Kaslin

Thank you Michael Reagan. If we had more advocates like you for causes like this ... perhaps there would be less abuse. God bless you and your own family. We surely miss your dad...President Ronald Reagan.


14 posted on 11/22/2011 6:59:47 AM PST by cubreporter (Rush Limbaugh... where would our country be without this brilliant man?)
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To: Kaslin

Child rape was a capital crime until the homosexuals tried to change people’s moral code.


15 posted on 11/22/2011 7:04:32 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Kaslin

Very good article by Reagan.

I will add that the most important thing about this crime is that the statute of limitation should be completely lifted. The victim should be able to grow old enough and wise enough to lose his fear and shame and report the crime. Not everyone is that mature in their early 20s. They are likely to not wish peer embarrassment at that age. They are also not likely to wish their parents this guilt, if the parents had trusted the abuser with the are of their child. So the young fault figures he will just stay quiet.

But maybe at 35 or 40 he wants to come forward, maybe at this point he is mature enough to want to prevent others getting hurt, and caring less about his own embarrassment. So he goes to the police. And they tell him it’s too late to prosecute.

We need no statute of limitations for child molestation.


16 posted on 11/22/2011 7:04:50 AM PST by Yaelle (Still helping the Cain train wheels go round.)
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To: Kaslin

Death is too good for them.
Stealing the innocence of a child should be repaid with solitary confinement for life with physical castration.........


17 posted on 11/22/2011 7:05:20 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama's number one economics advisor must be a Magic Eight Ball.................)
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To: Yaelle

Are = care, fault= adult

Autocorrect


18 posted on 11/22/2011 7:07:06 AM PST by Yaelle (Still helping the Cain train wheels go round.)
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To: Red Badger
for life with physical castration via a dull spoon.

Fixed.

19 posted on 11/22/2011 7:09:20 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

I think you and a lot of other people are missing an important aspect here: based on my experience only, it would have been devastating to me had my abuser been put to death.

Certainly, not all victims would have the same feelings, but enough would that it would be a problem.


20 posted on 11/22/2011 7:10:40 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: Kaslin

Ruth Bader Ginsberg spent a large part of her professional life trying to get the age of consent lowered to, I believe, twelve years old.


21 posted on 11/22/2011 7:11:21 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: heartwood

Yeah tell that to 13 year old Esme Kenney...

Coroner: Esme Kenney Strangled, Burned
http://www.wlwt.com/news/18895267/detail.html
In 1987, when he was 18, Kirkland confessed to assaulting a woman, dousing her with lighter fluid and setting her on fire. She later died and he served 16 years in prison for her death.

Death is the only answer for these monsters.


22 posted on 11/22/2011 7:16:39 AM PST by TSgt ("Romney" means "rino cult" in Kenyan)
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To: Kaslin

I agree but good luck getting the Vatican on-board with that...


23 posted on 11/22/2011 7:17:54 AM PST by TSgt ("Romney" means "rino cult" in Kenyan)
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To: All

A serious proposal.

A signed pledge, that if called to sit on a jury, parents swear that they will never find anyone charged with the murder, homicide, etc., of a child rapist, guilty.

In the spirit of this:

No Trial For Mom Who Shot Alleged Molester
Grand Jury Refuses To Indict
http://www.wlwt.com/news/1282970/detail.html


24 posted on 11/22/2011 7:21:47 AM PST by TSgt ("Romney" means "rino cult" in Kenyan)
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To: Kaslin

Does this apply when an 18 year old girl screws her 17 year old boyfriend on prom night? What about a 19 year old young man marrying a 15 year old girl, as occurs in my own family tree not too many generations back? Or a naive and immature and foolish 21 year old babysitter who “makes a man” out of a horny 13 year old boy in her care? And that’s apart from witch hunts with zero physical evidence like the McMartin Preschool case. There are shades of grey here, unfortunately.

I’d say to make death an option in cases where an adult rapes a pre-pubescent child, to be applied in cases aggravated by torture, physical injury, transmission of a deadly disease such as HIV or hepatitis, a very young victim (under age 7 perhaps), repeat offenses, etc. If you make it mandatory, a lot of victims would be killed to eliminate the witness.


25 posted on 11/22/2011 7:22:35 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
Generally it also takes a corrupt DA if there is no corroborating evidence.
If laws are automatically bad because fraudulent convictions are a possibility then all laws are a “baaaad idea”.

I will go for rule of law over anarchy, and work to root out corruption over living in the law of the jungle.

26 posted on 11/22/2011 7:26:37 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

Not many people would say that.

Not because they don’t have a different view, but because the majority accepts only the most extreme view as legitimate and does not want to, is afraid to, deal with individual circumstances.

They only draw the line by admitting that false accusations are possible and some prosecutors stop at nothing to get a conviction and the resulting public approval while the facts are cloaked in confidentiality and general unspeakableness.


27 posted on 11/22/2011 7:26:51 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
I'm in favor of capital punishment being on the table for any crime in which the victim would have been justified resisting with lethal force; certainly, this would include rape.

It would include murder, rape (of anyone), kidnapping, armed robbery, aggravated assault ...

Not objecting ... merely observing.

Might severely curb the enthusiasm some criminals.

28 posted on 11/22/2011 7:28:51 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
“The Federal Death Penalty Act of 1994 should be updated to include child rape.”

Maybe it could be called the "Jerry Sandusky Act"?

29 posted on 11/22/2011 7:31:57 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: TSgt

Tell what?

The problem there isn’t that Kirkland raped a child, got a life sentence, and somehow raped another child. The problem is that Kirkland raped, burned and killed a woman and was freed after 16 years to kill again. If he got a life sentence it sure didn’t mean life. Life sentences should never mean parole is possible.

Here’s a case in France, where a teenage rapist was freed after four MONTHS and promptly raped, burned and killed a 13 y.o. girl.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/8904642/France-in-shock-over-rape-and-murder-of-13-year-old-girl.html


30 posted on 11/22/2011 7:32:08 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Kaslin

Vendome’s version of a just and proper punishment:

I would chain his hands and legs, then pulled him up four flights of metal fire escape stairs, feet first.

Then I would kick him in the family jewels just enough to cause a stomach ache every 15 minutes for 8 hours.

After that I would push him out a window letting him fall four stories into a pile of razor wire 5 rolls high and 5 rolls wide.

He could lay in the pile of razor wire for two days in the desert sun and then I would release a flock of crows and 1 gallon of scarabs right next to him.

But that’s just me.


31 posted on 11/22/2011 7:34:10 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ccmay
Some states' Statutory Rape laws specifically exempt people of roughly comparable age. In MD, at least, your hypothetical 18yo and 17yo on screwing on prom night are exempted on account of having less than 3 years age difference.
32 posted on 11/22/2011 7:38:28 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; Joe 6-pack; Kaslin
It would include murder, rape (of anyone), kidnapping, armed robbery, aggravated assault ...

I would include brain death in the list. There are women who have persisted in vegetative states after someone slipped them the "date rape drug" rohypnol. I would also include attempted murder where there is serious bodily injury. Why should an attempted murderer get convicted of a lesser crime just because an emergency room physician is able to save a victim who in earlier times would have died of his or her injuries?

33 posted on 11/22/2011 7:39:24 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: MrEdd
...work to root out corruption...

Glad to hear it.

34 posted on 11/22/2011 7:41:01 AM PST by LongElegantLegs (Use it up, wear it out, make it over or do without.)
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To: Kaslin

Executing pedos and rapists should be considered a really late term abortion. Liberals want to abort handicapped babies, why not monsters?


35 posted on 11/22/2011 7:42:24 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: King Moonracer
Executing pedos and rapists should be considered a really late term abortion.

Abortion is a monstrous atrocity.

Executing pedos and rapists is justice.

36 posted on 11/22/2011 7:50:30 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

“Not many people would say that.”

You’d be surprised. In my group therapy, it was almost 50%. And we were only discussing jail, not death.

The thing that people rarely understand is that long-term child molesters tend to recognize and groom susceptible children - children who’ve been emotionally neglected their whole lives. The abuser makes him or herself emotionally important to the victim, creating a situation where the abuser is relatively safe because the victim - while not liking the physical relationship - becomes dependent on the emotional one.

Often, the abuser is the first person in a child’s life to show that child what the child comes to think of as non-physical parental love and affection.

Those feelings don’t easily go away. That’s part of the reason why adult survivors of child sexual abuse have so many conflicts over actually comprehending that they were genuinely victims in a criminal situation.


37 posted on 11/22/2011 7:50:47 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"Might severely curb the enthusiasm some criminals."

Indeed, that is the point. When a criminal commits a crime in which the victim would be justified resisting with deadly force, it is the criminal who has voluntarily subordinated the value of his own life to the fruits of the crime. Again, I'm not saying capital punishment should be mandatory in all such cases, but the option should be there...

38 posted on 11/22/2011 7:54:47 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Kaslin

Right now the ‘American’ Psychiatric Association is attempting to downgrade pedophilia from a mental illness to being in the “normal range”. This is being done because states have used the mental illness diagnosis to continue to incarcerate serial pedophiles after their criminal term has ended.

Therefore, before a capital penalty law against child rape is created, states should first create its legal underpinnings, which would amount to “mentally ill but can still be executed”, or such sentences would be too easy to overturn on appeal.

Another big obstacle is that, depending on the situation, what is called “child rape” could result in a sentence all the way from capital punishment down to probation. (That is, two teenagers have sex. Have they both committed ‘child rape’?) While some of this has been addressed in the laws calling for capital punishment, it really must be flushed out in detail to prevent miscarriage of justice in either direction.


39 posted on 11/22/2011 7:56:40 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ArrogantBustard
Some states' Statutory Rape laws specifically exempt people of roughly comparable age. In MD, at least, your hypothetical 18yo and 17yo on screwing on prom night are exempted on account of having less than 3 years age difference.

And what that does is confuse the issue by making sex with "children" not the issue, only whether the age of the other party is legal. Then you have to ask why is it legitimate to "protect" kids from sex with anyone at all since you are no longer doing what you say you are doing. You can't even say it is an inequality of power since the kid can put the adult in jail at any time for any reason.
40 posted on 11/22/2011 7:59:01 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: EyeGuy

I presume it was an 8th amendment challenge. Article 3 gives the federal courts jurisdiction.


41 posted on 11/22/2011 8:00:19 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yup.

Historically, according to the common law, the three crimes which were death penalty offenses were:

Kidnapping
First degree (premeditated) murder
Rape

People who perform these acts and commit these crimes have already shown themselves to be violent, and having no regrets about it.

We would have no problem shooting a rabid dog...


42 posted on 11/22/2011 8:01:00 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: ArrogantBustard

My point is the liberal duplicity. They kill the innocent, and protect the monstrous. How can they consider a child with Down’s Syndrome less worthy of life than a pedo? If it makes it more palatable, then start aborting rapists. Then maybe the light will dawn in their tiny brains, that babies should be treated better than pedos and murders, and that aborting them is wrong. Pro-Choice is Pro-Death, Pro-Life is Pro-Life, Abortion needs to be linked to death, not a medical procedure. Frankly, I’d be willing to trade the death penalty for an end to abortions, but, that is another point.


43 posted on 11/22/2011 8:04:07 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

No, *I* would not be surprised.

Grooming or courtship depend on definition and one merges into the other at some tipping point.
Criminality depends on a fluctuating state of law.
Susceptibility depends on a degree of neglect/abuse that is often legally ignored.
Most people dislike somnething in relationships with other people.
And conflicts are created by the expectations based on cultural norms and religious influences as by anything else, which the individual cannot be allowed to resolve except to please others.


44 posted on 11/22/2011 8:13:28 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: King Moonracer
My point is the liberal duplicity

of which there is no shortage. There's an amazing hypocrisy in a pro-abortion politician or celebrity protesting against the execution of a convicted multiple murderer.

Then maybe the light will dawn in their tiny brains, that babies should be treated better than pedos

1) The dawning light would "convict" many of these folks of the sin of abortion. This they will resist, even to the point of complete irrationality.

2) The idea that "abortion is wrong" puts a serious crimp in their hedonistic lifestyle. The idea that "execution is icky" (and therefor shouldn't be applied even to pedos) is an abstraction to them.

45 posted on 11/22/2011 8:16:32 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kaslin

To the Democrats it’s just Intergenerational Homosexual Love. I’m amazed at the argument that rapists shouldn’t be punished because it might further hurt the victim. They usually rape more than one boy. We have to protect our society.


46 posted on 11/22/2011 8:32:52 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: LongElegantLegs
>>it takes nothing more than the word of the supposed victim<<

Sorry, I disagree. It takes a mere word to begin the investigation. Often times the investigation comes to a standstill because of lack of evidence such as DNA or damage to the victim because of the time that transpires between the time of the crime and the reporting of it.

Very few are convicted and placed in prison for child rape if there is a lack of physical evidence or witnesses.

I hear this allot. Well what about the 19 year old who has sex with a 17 year old and is labeled a child sex offender for life.

It takes all the energy a child has to step up and report these crimes. Generally when they do, other victims step out of the woodwork to corroborate the story of another.

If there is solid evidence that a child rape has occurred and the person is convicted based on this evidence, my opinion is the ultimate penalty should be on the table.

Pedophiles often times have many victims under their belt before being nabbed and statistically will not stop assaulting children even after a long prison term.

47 posted on 11/22/2011 8:38:42 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Yaelle
We need no statute of limitations for child molestation.

You want a death penalty in situations where there is absolutely no possibility of obtaining physical evidence and very limited likelihood of any witness testimony other than that of the alleged participants? Excuse me, but that is insane.

48 posted on 11/22/2011 8:47:49 AM PST by Tax-chick (Six more days to dust your ceiling fan blades!)
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To: MrEdd

“If laws are automatically bad because fraudulent convictions are a possibility then all laws are a “baaaad idea”.”

No, it’s not the law people are talking about, it’s the punishment. A lesser punishment can be reversed if the conviction is false, but the death penalty is permanent. That’s why a lot of people are wary of instituting it for offenses where false accusations are fairly common and the evidence is often lacking.


49 posted on 11/22/2011 8:53:10 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: PaleoBob
Just the phrase “Federal Death Penalty” sends chills up my spine.

For social order, we need tighter reins. lncarceration hasn't worked as a deterrent. l say we expand execution to include lesser crimes (like attending a tea party rally)!!

50 posted on 11/22/2011 9:04:37 AM PST by DCBryan1 ("Forget the Lawyers! FIRST YOU MUST kill the journalists!" - Die Ritter, die sagen, "nee"!)
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