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New Newt, old Newt, same Newt?
LA Times ^ | 11-18-11

Posted on 11/22/2011 9:09:03 AM PST by MNJohnnie

In his Nov. 17 Op-Ed column, Doyle McManus draws attention to Newt Gingrich's comeback and compares it with Richard Nixon's makeover in 1968. To that end, McManus offers a side-by-side comparison of the two Newts:

Old Newt -- Angry Newt, the one who entered the presidential campaign last spring -- talked in apocalyptic terms about threats to American culture. Old Newt wrote about "a secular-socialist machine" led by the Democratic Party that "represents as great a threat to America as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union once did."

"If we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America," he warned, the U.S. could soon become "a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists."

And the revised version:

New Newt -- Presidential Newt -- talks about fiscal challenges more than cultural threats and says they don't look that scary. "There are ways to solve this," he told voters in Iowa this week. The economy can be fixed, he said, simply by allowing more oil and gas drilling, reducing fraud in federal programs and "putting people back to work."

The change is not complete. Gingrich still slips back into his past ways, as people do. Regardless, is this change sustainable? McManus wonders:

Can New Newt keep Old Newt at bay for long? It's one thing to focus on fiscal issues instead of cultural warfare; that's just a matter of emphasis. The greater challenge for Gingrich is maintaining his changed temperament after years of delighting in unconventional ideas and unrestrained polemic.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinion.latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; elections; newt
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You got to give Newt credit. He has keep old Newt under wraps pretty good for the last couple of months. Except for his misstep in Oct about a "Middle way on Immigration Reform" he has kept a tight control over his PR message.

But as anyone who has been in politics since the 1980s can tell you, Newt's Achilles Heel has always been his mouth.

We all are waiting for the other shoe to drop. We all know Newt is going to step in it sooner or later, we just have to wonder how bad it is going to be when he does lose it next.

1 posted on 11/22/2011 9:09:06 AM PST by MNJohnnie
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To: MNJohnnie

Maybe, but if nominated you can bet Newt’ll have my vote in a heartbeat.


2 posted on 11/22/2011 9:12:39 AM PST by skeeter
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To: MNJohnnie

The bad thing about Newt is that he is a guy who thinks out loud, which sometimes hurts him, politically.

The good thing about Newt is that he thinks.


3 posted on 11/22/2011 9:12:44 AM PST by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Newt's Achilles Heel has always been his mouth.

So true.

I resemble that remark.

4 posted on 11/22/2011 9:13:12 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: MNJohnnie

“But as anyone who has been in politics since the 1980s can tell you, Newt’s Achilles Heel has always been his mouth.”

Well, except for being the one responsible for giving RR the line of attack in the debate and the “are you better off now?” question...ICONIC in politics, don’t ya think?


5 posted on 11/22/2011 9:13:47 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: MNJohnnie

Newt is better than Romney and Romney is better than Obama.

If one of three men will be the next President — Gingrich, Romney or Obama — I would choose Newt in a heartbeat.


6 posted on 11/22/2011 9:14:30 AM PST by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: Haiku Guy

I, for one, like a guy who tells the truth.

However, the wimpy, p*ssified swing voters of the electorate are all about farts and rainbows and being “nice.”

We’re electing a President, not a f***ing Prom Queen!

/rant off


7 posted on 11/22/2011 9:18:56 AM PST by RockinRight (It's Newt's turn.)
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To: skeeter

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Gingrich-Interviewed-by-New-Hampshire-Newspaper/10737425652/

One hour video of yesterday’s interview of Gingrich by NH Union Leader.


8 posted on 11/22/2011 9:19:21 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Haiku Guy

Obama and his supporters know that the majority of Americans feel just as you do.

Obama is beat in 2012 regardless of who the Repubs. nominate.


9 posted on 11/22/2011 9:21:34 AM PST by swampfox101
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To: Lady Lucky

Thanks...


10 posted on 11/22/2011 9:22:43 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Haiku Guy
Newt thinks that big government is the answer, his god is government.
11 posted on 11/22/2011 9:24:53 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: MNJohnnie

It appears American conservatives are suicidal...

They will shoot themselves in the mouth with Gingrich..
Shoot themselves in the temple with Romney...
Shoot themselves in the stomach with Cain...
OR shoot themselves in the heart with Perry..

The last thing they will do is shoot the socialists themselves with Michele Bachmann..

America is very depressed.. pity..


12 posted on 11/22/2011 9:25:35 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: MNJohnnie

God help us if that jerk should get the nomination.


13 posted on 11/22/2011 9:27:35 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Same Newt. He will rip on whoever is convenient to make points. It was sickening how he played against Bush through the years.


14 posted on 11/22/2011 9:28:34 AM PST by discipler (How's that 'hope and change' working for 'ya? - RL)
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To: org.whodat

>> “Newt thinks that big government is the answer, his god is government.” <<

.
Pretty good summation of Noot.


15 posted on 11/22/2011 9:29:28 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: MNJohnnie

“...Newt wrote about “a secular-socialist machine” led by the Democratic Party that “represents as great a threat to America as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union once did.”

That’s the stuff we need.

Thanks, Newt. And to think, this was supposed to be a hit piece.


16 posted on 11/22/2011 9:29:42 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: hosepipe

I think you meant “Go Postal” with Michele Bachmann.


17 posted on 11/22/2011 9:32:17 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: MNJohnnie

The LA Times? I’ve noticed a trend with your posts. You really like to use left wing rags to attack Newt, don’t you?


18 posted on 11/22/2011 9:32:42 AM PST by Josh Painter ("The only thing these 'investments' will get us is a bullet train to bankruptcy." - Palin)
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To: jessduntno

When Noot was speaker, he was the “secular-socialist machine.”


19 posted on 11/22/2011 9:34:10 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Josh Painter

You really like to use left wing socialist Noot to attack Freepers, don’t you!


20 posted on 11/22/2011 9:35:48 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: MNJohnnie

New Newt: Lipstick on a pig.


21 posted on 11/22/2011 9:38:16 AM PST by Retro Llama
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To: editor-surveyor
God help us if that jerk should get the nomination.

Yep. A Newt candidacy would end in the biggest GOP fiasco since 1964.

22 posted on 11/22/2011 9:39:18 AM PST by Retro Llama
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To: MNJohnnie
Newt's Achilles Heel has always been his mouth.

And his penis.

We all are waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Better than then his pants... Again.
23 posted on 11/22/2011 9:39:22 AM PST by whattajoke (Let's keep Conservatism real.)
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To: editor-surveyor
When Noot was speaker, he was the “secular-socialist machine.”

"A co-author and architect of Contract with America, Gingrich was in the forefront of Republican Party success in the 1994 Congressional election.

In 1995, Time magazine named him "Man of the Year" for his role in ending 40 years of majority rule by the Democratic Party.

During his four years as House speaker, Gingrich sometimes opposed President Bill Clinton but he also worked closely with Clinton, in 1996, to limit public welfare, and, in 1997, to pass a capital gains tax cut and, in 1998, to pass the first balanced budget since 1969."

Yep. Big Government guy all the way. Facts are stubborn, aren't they?

24 posted on 11/22/2011 9:40:30 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: editor-surveyor

I am very disappointed to read such a lie coming from you.


25 posted on 11/22/2011 9:42:14 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Nice...don’t respond. Doyle McManless is the biggest socialist hack on the LA TIMES. And you morons are quoting him like he’s Goood.

What happened to the old saying “they are only shooting him because he’s over the target?”

Double talking weasels.


26 posted on 11/22/2011 9:43:04 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: MNJohnnie

Has your buddy BoingBoing got the day off, so you have to post the hit pieces today?


27 posted on 11/22/2011 9:44:05 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MNJohnnie

It is obvious that the only GOP hopefuls that don’t scare the LSM are Huntsman and Romney.


28 posted on 11/22/2011 9:46:10 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: editor-surveyor

[ I think you meant “Go Postal” with Michele Bachmann. ]

No.. that would be “MEE”... I’m on the verge of going “Postal”..


29 posted on 11/22/2011 9:47:23 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: MNJohnnie

newt’s record is enough to remove him from consideration by conservatives.


30 posted on 11/22/2011 9:48:35 AM PST by ken21
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To: jessduntno
Only sitting speaker in history that was re-primed by the house and fined for ethics violation .
31 posted on 11/22/2011 9:55:19 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: org.whodat
"Only sitting speaker in history that was re-primed by the house and fined for ethics violation."

Democrats accused Gingrich of violating the agreement, but it was forwarded to the House for approval.

On January 21, 1997, the House voted 395 to 28 to reprimand Gingrich, including a $300,000 "cost assessment" to recoup money spent on the investigation. The full committee panel did not agree whether tax law had been violated.

In 1999, the IRS cleared the organizations connected with the courses.

32 posted on 11/22/2011 9:59:26 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: hosepipe; All
Sadly ... there are so many pressures on the politicians running for office, they all tell us what we want to hear. Like Obama what they say and what they do is two very different things. ‘Changing circumstances’, they will answer when queried about their divergence from their campaign promises.

Which one of the potential candidates comes out of this run for President for the Republican party, will then face Obama. He is an excellent speaker, and the liberals do not waver, they support their guy no matter what. It is a firm line that ignores reality to hold on to power.

God help us. Our guys/gals being usually good guys/gals, play nice and compromise continually.

It is a dilemma that repeats and repeats ...

Scares me, we are at the brink of catastrophe. Indeed.

33 posted on 11/22/2011 10:05:07 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: org.whodat

Assuming you meant to say reprimanded, it was ruled moot by the IRS after the fact, when they found there was no cause.

But you already knew that.


34 posted on 11/22/2011 10:11:56 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno

Was it the new Newt or the old Newt...

... on the couch with Nancy
... endorsed Dede Scozzafava
... called an attempt to cut spending “Right wing social engineering”
...


35 posted on 11/22/2011 10:20:32 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: jessduntno
The irs has no power to change the vote of the house nor can they reverse it. The irs has nothing to do with the vote . The house vote stands.
36 posted on 11/22/2011 10:22:13 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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But it was funny that you think the IRS can make moot a house vote. What page in the constitution is that on.
37 posted on 11/22/2011 10:24:26 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: skeeter

If it turns out to be Newt vs Obama, sure I’ll vote for Newt.

If we don’t get a true conservative candidate like Cain, Bachmann, Santorum, or even Perry (anyone who touts succession can’t be all bad); we have to make sure we elect Tea Party conservatives by the score to Congress.

The Democrat Senate voted 100& for Obamacare -voting party over country. Not one democrat senator exercised his or her conscience. It was a shameful travesty and unprecedented power grab.

I don’t see our guys ever being that blind, but it never hurts to stock up on ammunition and make the Tea Party wing of the republican party as strong as possible.

It’s easy to convince a democrat to vote himself more power. It’s a different game when one’s core conviction has to be turned.

We have to elect enough principled conservatives so that the leadership cannot form a coalition of democrat and republican moderates to outflank us. It is that simple.

If we wind up with a Newt or Romney or, God-forbid, Obama again, we have to hold the House stronger than ever.


38 posted on 11/22/2011 10:27:10 AM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: A'elian' nation

ooops my bad I meant secession. lol


39 posted on 11/22/2011 10:30:05 AM PST by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: MNJohnnie

Newt is Newt, and what you see doesn’t mean you won’t see something different as opportunities arise and political winds blow.


40 posted on 11/22/2011 10:31:14 AM PST by pallis
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To: geologist

[ Scares me, we are at the brink of catastrophe. Indeed. ]

Be at ease.. Richard Simmons(in a pink Turkey suit) could win the republican primary’s and ALL conservatives and most independents will vote for him.. AND not a few democrats..

True.. Romney would be Obama in a republican wrapper..

It appears the guys behind the guys behind the guys have been running America for decades.. elSe we would not have elected Bush that resembles Alfred E. Nuemann almost exactly..

They must yucked a loud yuck behind that ploy... when he was elected..
What choice did we have with him running against Al Gorp or Francois Kerry..
They are brilliant how they pull all this off...

NOW we several options running against a known and proven Marxist and obvious traitor.. like Kerry or Gorp..

The last on the list of options is Michele Bachmann..
Which should show you something.. they are “SMART”... brilliant even..
If she was to win they would probably kill her.. which means they would lobby strongly for her VeeP choice..

No doubt about it, these devils are “smart”...


41 posted on 11/22/2011 10:40:37 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: MNJohnnie

“Gingrich still slips back into his past ways”

Funny, I was thinking about him when his wife was hawking her new book on the radio this morning and saying what a magnificent man he is. Actually, I was thinking, “He left the woman for whom he left his first wife for you.” Not sure why I should trust somebody that at least two wives couldn’t trust. And yes, it DOES matter.


42 posted on 11/22/2011 10:44:11 AM PST by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: MNJohnnie

Angry Newt, the one who entered the presidential campaign last spring — talked in apocalyptic terms about threats to American culture. Old Newt wrote about “a secular-socialist machine” led by the Democratic Party that “represents as great a threat to America as Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union once did.”

Back around 1960,USSR leader Nikita Khrushev appeared before the UN in NYC, took off his shoe and banged on the desk that “we will bury you!”. The Cold War continued until the USSR collapsed thanks to Reagan. And now some 5o years after Khrushev’s pronouncement it appears we are coming under the power of a Marxist/Lenonist regime.
RIGHT ON NEWT GIVE THEM HELL!!


43 posted on 11/22/2011 10:46:03 AM PST by kenmcg (pROBLEM)
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To: org.whodat

“But it was funny that you think the IRS can make moot a house vote. What page in the constitution is that on.”

I think you should get a dictionary or find an adult and get the definition of moot. It’s like you - irrelevant, insignificant.

Pretty sure something needn’t be in the Constitution to be moot. You aren’t, for example.


44 posted on 11/22/2011 10:46:03 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Ingtar

Was it the new Newt or the old Newt...

... on the couch with Nancy
... endorsed Dede Scozzafava
... called an attempt to cut spending “Right wing social engineering”
...”

When did it happen?
New means current.
Old means in the past.

For instance, one might have asked about RR, is this his new thinking on this or his old thinking? When he changed from being a Dem to a Conservative. Some people do change. If you can’t change your mind, you can’t change anything.


45 posted on 11/22/2011 10:49:37 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno
The house vote stands, the fine remains. The IRS has nothing to do with it. The statement about the IRS is the moot part.
46 posted on 11/22/2011 10:50:58 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: jessduntno

Pay back for dissing Jim Wright, the real crook speaker of the house.

Jim used his speakership to sell books by the crate that no one ever read, it was pure and simple money laundering.


47 posted on 11/22/2011 11:22:24 AM PST by itsahoot (Throw them all out!)
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To: jessduntno

... on the couch with Nancy
... endorsed Dede Scozzafava
... called an attempt to cut spending “Right wing social engineering”

These are all recent, in political terms. If they are not relevant, then his time as Speaker is not as well. He was Speaker well before these occurred. The objection to cuts was this year when criticizing the only plan put forth to cut spending during the debt ceiling fiasco.


48 posted on 11/22/2011 11:33:28 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: hosepipe
voter fraud was likely at an all time peak last election.

Wonder if we will actually have an honest election, ,,, or ever again?

We know Obama is using Chavez as an example to teach him how to do it.!!!

49 posted on 11/22/2011 11:35:24 AM PST by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Ingtar

“These are all recent, in political terms. If they are not relevant, then his time as Speaker is not as well.”

OK. You all have perverted that into something evil and inconsequential, anyway.


50 posted on 11/22/2011 11:36:01 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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