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Cain slammed by influential group of Iowa conservatives
The Hill ^ | 11-22-2011 | Cameron Joseph

Posted on 11/22/2011 2:35:22 PM PST by smoothsailing

Cain slammed by influential group of Iowa conservatives

Cameron Joseph

November 22, 2011

A top organization of Iowa social conservatives slammed Herman Cain as it narrowed its list for a possible presidential endorsement list.

Cain and Ron Paul were dropped from The Family Leader's consideration, leaving Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann as the possible winners. Mitt Romney did not seek the group's endorsement.

Headed by the influential activist Bob Vander Plaats, the group criticized Cain, saying he lacked "clarity on the key issues of life, marriage, foreign policy, and presidential readiness" — a major diss to a candidate who has sought to garner support from social conservatives in the state.

Cain might have angered some in the group when he refused to sign an early version of their pledge because it said that African-American children were more likely to be born into two-parent households under slavery than they were today.

The group said they had concerns Paul's view of states' rights meant he did not oppose adequately enough abortion rights or gay marriage.

Romney has long drawn the ire of Vander Plaats, who ran former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's (R) successful Iowa campaign in the 2008 presidential election, in which Romney was a top rival.

Whomever the group backs could get a major boost in Iowa — the organization's board is made up of most of the state's top social conservatives.

Evangelical Christians make up approximately 60 percent of GOP caucus-goers in the state, giving them an outsize influence on the process. All of the candidates looking to recreate the successful coalition that vaulted Huckabee to a win over Romney in 2008 would get a major boost from this group.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: cain; cain2012; feminazis; hermancain; iowa; knowsnato; stealthsocialist; taxinator; vanderplaats
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Cain and Ron Paul were dropped from The Family Leader's consideration, leaving Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann as the possible winners.

I understand keeping Santorum, Perry, and Bachmann. But drop Cain and keep Newt? What is that all about?

1 posted on 11/22/2011 2:35:23 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

Keep Newt and Cain out of consideration.

Bachmann, Santorum and Perry have the best pro-life records of all the candidates.


2 posted on 11/22/2011 2:39:24 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: smoothsailing

I guess cheating on your wife every time you’re married and being married 3 times is fine with these phonies. Or giving your wife divorce papers while she’s in the hospital recovering from cancer. Very family friendly. /smh


3 posted on 11/22/2011 2:39:54 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: smoothsailing

Bob, Alaska Air is ready when you are.


4 posted on 11/22/2011 2:41:01 PM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2012: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: smoothsailing

Yeah right, Cain is married to same woman for 40+ years with no history of adultery, breaking law, etc.

This group needs clearer thinking.


5 posted on 11/22/2011 2:41:10 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: smoothsailing
I suspect that this sentence right here is the principle reason:
Cain might have angered some in the group when he refused to sign an early version of their pledge because it said that African-American children were more likely to be born into two-parent households under slavery than they were today.
Really, IMHO, a completely unnecessary statement in a pledge to uphold the life of the unborn. I often wondered why Cain had not signed that particular pledge because he is extremely pro-life...now I know.

Cain is very pro-life, making no exception even in rape or incest, only if the absolute physical life of the mother is in danger. It is also rediculous to say that he is weak on marriage.

We shall see what happens, but my support is still for Cain.

HERMAN CAN FOR AMERICA VS BARACK OBAMA, THE MAN WHO DESPISES AMERICA

6 posted on 11/22/2011 2:42:09 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: federal__reserve

In other words, how you live your life by example is not important. Just words is all that is necessary. My mother told me just the opposite, that words are empty, deeds are genuine. Ron Paul is also living a moral life, no law breaking or adultery in his life. But his words are not satisfactory.


7 posted on 11/22/2011 2:44:32 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: smoothsailing

This is hilarious.

Newt Gingrich stays? He is not even conservative. He is a serial adulterer and for years now has sided with radical left wing ideas.

This group is really a conservative group? If so, I must have lost my way and become something other than a conservative.


8 posted on 11/22/2011 2:47:13 PM PST by CSI007
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To: smoothsailing

Who gives a crap what Vander Schlong thinks? Cain has plenty of time to regain the lead, if he deserves it. The people of Iowa will decide who wins on Jan 3rd, not this Huckawacko, or the idiot talk show has been who said Cain insulted his secretary by asking her to sweeten his tea (another Huckafreak, if I am not mistaken.)


9 posted on 11/22/2011 2:47:45 PM PST by montag813
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To: federal__reserve
This group needs clearer thinking.

They are saying the other candidates are better at:

"clarity on the key issues of life, marriage, foreign policy, and presidential readiness"

I have to agree.

10 posted on 11/22/2011 2:49:04 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks smoothsailing.
11 posted on 11/22/2011 2:49:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: smoothsailing

Another sad example of how the political right sabotages real conservatives. Cain is an assistant minister at his Baptist church and married to the same woman for over four decades, yet this self-important and unfortunately, somewhat influential Iowa group rejects him. I guess they value all that ‘government experience’ that other candidates posses. The kind of ‘experience’ that keeps Washington in power while we see our liberties and our incomes shrink. Well, that’s their prerogative, of course, but it’s another example of how the political right sometimes acts like a circular firing squad and ends up helping the Democrat get (re)elected. I just pray that Herman Cain can surmount this stuff and win, anyway, showing these kinds organizations that, even as conservatives, they cannot dictate the people’s choice for a Republican presidential candidate.


12 posted on 11/22/2011 2:49:48 PM PST by Jim Scott (on the 'Cain Train')
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To: Reagan Man

-—”Bachmann, Santorum and Perry have the best pro-life records of all the candidates”-—

It is fundamentally dishonest to suggest that Newt’s record is not as good as each of these candidates on Life issues.


13 posted on 11/22/2011 2:49:58 PM PST by TitansAFC (Doug Hoffman says it's good to support Newt, so stop being mad on his behalf when he doesn't want it)
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To: bondserv

Your nuts.

Newt has a better record on marriage? You have GOT TO BE KIDDING!?


14 posted on 11/22/2011 2:50:12 PM PST by CSI007
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To: TitansAFC

Yes and Newt is such a wonderful conservative example of upholding the sacred sanctity of marriage.


15 posted on 11/22/2011 2:51:53 PM PST by CSI007
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To: Jeff Head
Cain might have angered some in the group when he refused to sign an early version of their pledge because it said that African-American children were more likely to be born into two-parent households under slavery than they were today.

Wow, that is really unnecessary.

16 posted on 11/22/2011 2:52:59 PM PST by montag813
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To: smoothsailing

They also refused to endorse Romney, and not simply because he didn’t seek their endorsement. Because Romney’s track record is hostile to the traditional family.


17 posted on 11/22/2011 2:55:47 PM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Reagan Man
the group criticized Cain, saying he lacked "clarity on the key issues of life, marriage, foreign policy, and presidential readiness"

On foreign policy and presidential readiness maybe a case can be made, but not on life and marriage, that's BS.

18 posted on 11/22/2011 2:56:47 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I can say I’ve never heard of this organization before. And someone remind me again as to why Iowa is considered the be all to end all in election years......


19 posted on 11/22/2011 2:58:32 PM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: TitansAFC

Back in 2001 Newt supported federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. That is not a pro-life position. And Newt has never been considered a social conservative either.

What’s changed?


20 posted on 11/22/2011 3:00:43 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Reagan Man

Why keep Newt? Cain has been married 43 years to the same woman. Why keep Perry? He has made crony backroom deals an art? He is for sale to the highest bidder?

Santorum is a good guy who has no chance.

How stupid is this group?

Bachmann is worth it, the rest are throwaway phonies.


21 posted on 11/22/2011 3:04:48 PM PST by dforest
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To: smoothsailing

The left finds Cain dangerous. The left has seemingly found common ground this Iowa group because they’re on the same page. Let the voters decide. Groups like this are just like the establishment: “WE PROCLAIM SO AND SO IS WORTHY OF OUR GRAND AND SANCTIFIED APPROVAL”. Give me a break already.


22 posted on 11/22/2011 3:06:03 PM PST by toddausauras
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To: smoothsailing

These people are RINOs


23 posted on 11/22/2011 3:07:36 PM PST by heiss (heartless)
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To: Reagan Man

Newt ranks very high with the national right to life


24 posted on 11/22/2011 3:12:10 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Reagan Man

Gingrich’s consistent pro-life standard is reflected by the following:

1. 98.6% Lifetime Pro-Life Rating from the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC). For the 20 years that Gingrich served in Congress (1979-1999), Gingrich supported the pro-life position in 70 out of 71 votes. (In the one instance that he did not take the NRLC position, it was because the NRLC opposed an early 1995 version of welfare reform because it changed certain welfare payments for mothers with children; NRLC did not oppose the final version of Gingrich’s welfare reform passed in 1996)

2. Supported the Hyde Amendment. Gingrich consistently voted for the Hyde amendment and other bans on government funding of abortions.

3. Partial Birth Abortion Ban. During Gingrich’s tenure as Speaker, the House of Representatives twice passed legislation banning partial birth abortions. President Clinton vetoed this legislation both times. Finally, a partial birth abortion ban was signed into law in 2003. The legislative effort to ban partial birth abortions had a very positive impact increasing pro-life support in the United States.

4. Signed the Susan B. Anthony List Pro-Life Leadership Presidential Pledge. In June 2011, Gingrich signed the SBA List Pro-Life Leadership Presidential pledge in which Gingrich pledges to the American people that if elected President he will (i) only nominate judges to the Supreme Court and federal judiciary who are committed to restraint and applying the original meaning of the Constitution, and not legislating from the bench (ii) select pro-life appointees for relevant executive branch positions, (iii) advance pro-life legislation to permanently end all taxpayer funding of abortion in all domestic and international spending programs, (iv) defund Planned Parenthood; and (v) advance and sign into law a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion.

5. Pledges to Sign Two Pro-life Executive Orders on the first day of a Gingrich Administration.

i. “Mexico City Policy” of Respect for Life. Reauthorize President Ronald Reagan’s policy – also known as the “Mexico City Policy”— to stop the federal funding of any non-governmental agencies or charities that perform or promote abortions in foreign countries.

ii. Respect the Beliefs and Integrity of Healthcare Workers. No American working in a medical environment should be forced to perform any action or procedure that he or she finds morally or ethically objectionable. This protection should include, but not be limited to, abortion and sterilization procedures. Existing conscience clause protections need to be strengthened.


25 posted on 11/22/2011 3:18:53 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: CSI007
Your nuts.
Newt has a better record on marriage? You have GOT TO BE KIDDING!?

Obviously they are speaking about Cain's position on Same Sex Marriage. And by the way, I am looking forward to some pecan pie on Thanksgiving. I am nuts for nuts!

26 posted on 11/22/2011 3:21:30 PM PST by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
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To: katiedidit1

I don’t know why. Never seen Newt come out in favor of social conservatism. In 2001 he supported federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. That is not a pro-life position. What’s changed?


27 posted on 11/22/2011 3:22:21 PM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: smoothsailing

Vander Plaats ran Huckabee’s Iowa campaign? And he calls himself a conservative?

So, Vander Plaats et. al. are OK with Huckabee’s social progressivism but not with Cain’s conservatism?

I suppose if an organization is going to make itself look stupid this is as good a way as any.


28 posted on 11/22/2011 3:23:27 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: bigdirty
I'm not a Newt supporter, I'm undecided. But the serve with divorce papers in the hospital story isn't true. Here's a WashPost column on it.

http://bangordailynews.com/2011/11/21/politics/almost-everyone-gets-the-gingrich-divorce-story-wrong/

29 posted on 11/22/2011 3:23:34 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: BenKenobi
The Family Leader's... Bob Vander Plaats... ran former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's (R) successful Iowa campaign in the 2008 presidential election...

30 posted on 11/22/2011 3:24:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: smoothsailing
Says a whole lot about what a bunch of bottom feeder these people are.
31 posted on 11/22/2011 3:29:14 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Want to bet The Family Leader “conservatives” endorse Mittens Romney in the end because “he can win”?


32 posted on 11/22/2011 3:40:20 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Jim Scott

Amen and spot on!


33 posted on 11/22/2011 3:48:39 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: smoothsailing
..............he lacked "clarity on the key issues of life, marriage, foreign policy, and presidential readiness..............
34 posted on 11/22/2011 3:48:49 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: smoothsailing

Tea Party is edging towards Newt...Gingrich’s lead among potential Republican primary voters is driven largely by his support among those who consider themselves to be part of the Tea Party movement. Gingrich has the support of 35 percent of Tea Party voters, which equals the tally for Cain (20 percent) and Romney (15 percent) combined. No other candidate has double-digit support among the Tea Party.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/fox-news-tea-party-vaults-gingrich-first_609128.html

Allen Olson, chairman of the Columbia Tea Party, said Tuesday he will resign his post in order to endorse former U.S. House Speaker Newt Gingrich in his bid for the White House.

“There is only one candidate for president who is leading on what I believe are the underlying issues this country faces,” Olson said in a statement. “Not only is this candidate talking about serious issues, he is providing real solutions.”
Olson said the deciding factor in his choice to support Gingrich was his advocacy for the Strong America Now deficit-cutting plan which seeks to eliminate federal waste.
Olson said he will work with Gingrich’s team in the months to come to build a grassroots movement here in South Carolina.
http://www.newt.org/news/sc-tea-party-leader-endorses-newt

Gingrich scores endorsement from Tea Party Nation founder

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/183867-gingrich-scores-endorsement-from-tea-party-nation-founder?page=2

By Justin Sink - 09/26/11 11:30 AM ET

The founder of the Tea Party Nation — one of the largest coordinated groups in the conservative Tea Party movement — announced Monday that he would endorse former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.


35 posted on 11/22/2011 3:57:43 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: FourPeas
I wonder how much backlash Vander Platt got from members of his organization when they heard their leader endorse Newt Gingrich. Just the role model I would use for my son on how to treat women/sarcs
36 posted on 11/22/2011 4:01:10 PM PST by not2worry
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To: Jeff Head
“Vander Plaats, who ran former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s (R) successful Iowa campaign”

'Stickin’ w/Herman, also.

Note the above quote from the article w/regard to its leader.

37 posted on 11/22/2011 4:09:04 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: smoothsailing

Right - Like the last three Presidents did such a great job on foreign policy!

Fact is we can’t control other Countries. We can only prepare to defend ourselves. The best way is with our MDS and agree to protect those Countries who allow us to have our bases ready to go on their soil.

I don’t think Newt has the likable personality when it comes to making friends...Domestically or Internationally.


38 posted on 11/22/2011 4:10:42 PM PST by not2worry
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To: smoothsailing

This is standard Elitist RINO GOP propaganda in the making.

Cain is the sole thread to either party’s elite power structure. Noot, Mitt, Michellemybelle, Sanitorium, nor Perrywinkle are any problem for the continuance of BUSINESS AS USUAL.

That is why Cain is the sole remaining TEA party hope, and the focus of each and every shred of propaganda being manufactured; especially the push polls.


39 posted on 11/22/2011 4:18:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Ozymandias Ghost

Yep...it says a lot about where he is coming from and some of the reasoning behind this decision.

I’m hoping, working, and praying that Cain can surprise the lot of them come January.


40 posted on 11/22/2011 4:22:00 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: MasterGunner01

Whatever it takes to keep a visible public profile, that’s what they’ll do.


41 posted on 11/22/2011 4:27:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: katiedidit1

>> “Tea Party is edging towards Newt.” <<

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Flat out lie!

There is no TEA party org that is in any way ready to support the insider Newt.


42 posted on 11/22/2011 4:30:53 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: bondserv

Yeah......in words.....not in action?
How is Newt better with serial adultery?
Do action mean anything in their world?
Or is it just position papers?


43 posted on 11/22/2011 4:42:54 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: bondserv

Yeah......in words.....not in action?
How is Newt better with serial adultery?
Do actions mean anything in their world?
Or is it just position papers?


44 posted on 11/22/2011 4:43:11 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: bigdirty

This is getting old. She filed not him. She invited him to go over the papers while she was in the hospital. They are good friends to this day. It was and is family friendly.


45 posted on 11/22/2011 4:44:26 PM PST by W. W. SMITH (Obama is an instrument of enslavement)
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To: katiedidit1

Good defense of Newt.

I’m not all that upset about his marital woes, more upset about his will o the wisp political woes.

I’ll be painfully honest. I can’t stand Cain. I saw a repeat this morning on Cavuto showing how he continued to blame Perry for his woman problems. It was ugly and his voice makes me uneasy. Puleeeze don’t make me listen to a voice as bad as Obama’s for 4 years.


46 posted on 11/22/2011 4:51:38 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: editor-surveyor; katiedidit1

She’s using WND as her source. They’re pretty much the Raw Story or Truthout of the right. I’d trust Newsmax before I trust them. Besides there isn’t one autonomous Tea Party group. One person/group/website/questionable news source cannot speak for all, most or even some Tea Party groups.

Had the media’s attempt to destroy Cain worked he’d be much lower in the polls. He’s in the top 3 just about everywhere and in early voting STATE polls (which are the only ones that count during primary season) he’s still ahead. That may change but his lead has held steady for quite a while now despite attempts to take him down and in spite pundits (and plenty of people here) insistence that we need someone who’s “qualified” because they’ve been part of the political machine for a while.

Many more are looking for something different. After Reagan there hasn’t been a “professional” worth a tinker’s damn. Every one of us are “outsiders” and in spite of paying the bills and being in the majority the “professionals” ignore us except during election season. I want someone with common sense, patriotism and a plan. It doesn’t have to be specific (how can it be without seeing things from the inside...Cain’s honest enough to say that) and it doesn’t have to be engraved in stone (just a good starting point).

Sure a political novice could mess things up. But so could the so-called professionals. Given their track record, I’m ready for something completely different. Heck, every freeper here could do a better job than the people we’ve had since Reagan.

Cindie


47 posted on 11/22/2011 4:54:39 PM PST by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: smoothsailing; All
I have no doubt that this represents Vander Plaats' honest opinion of Cain.

However, just as candidates should disclose when they receive money from activist groups, activist groups making endorsements should disclose contemporaneously that they, or their key cause, received money from a candidate.

From the Wall Street Journal:

Nowhere have Mr. Gingrich and his groups invested more heavily than in the key state of Iowa, figuring a win in February's first-in-the-nation caucuses could catapult him to the top ranks in the Republican nomination fight.

Wearing an array of organizational hats, he has met repeatedly with pastors, trained local candidates, consulted with doctors on his proposed health-care innovations and met with local refiners to tout ethanol.

After raising money through one of his groups, Mr. Gingrich funneled $150,000 in seed money to a successful campaign last fall to oust three Iowa Supreme Court judges who supported gay marriage.

"Newt's role was quiet and very low key, but it was pivotal," said Bob Vander Plaats, a well-known Iowa conservative who led the anti-judges campaign.

48 posted on 11/22/2011 5:44:23 PM PST by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: colorado tanker
But lol, the story that Newt wrote a novel about a sex kitten is true!
49 posted on 11/22/2011 5:52:14 PM PST by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: fightinJAG

Was that ever published? That’s really awful writing!


50 posted on 11/22/2011 6:08:52 PM PST by colorado tanker
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