Skip to comments.Arab states, Turkey plan 'No-Fly Zone' over Syria ("backed by American logistic support")
Posted on 11/22/2011 4:39:17 PM PST by dynachrome
Senior European sources said that Arab jet fighters, and possibly Turkish warplanes, backed by American logistic support will implement a no fly zone in Syria's skies, after the Arab League will issue a decision, under its Charter, calling for the protection of Syrian civilians. The sources told Kuwait's al Rai daily that the no fly ban will include a ban on the movement of Syrian military vehicles, including tanks, personnel carriers and artillery, adding that this move would aim at curbing the movement of Assad forces, and cripple their ability to bomb cities. The European sources said the no fly ban might lead to the paralysis of the Syrian regime forces "in less than 24 hours." Meanwhile, it is reported that the leadership of the Turkish General Staff informed all the concerned parties with the Syrian issue its rejection of the idea that the Turkish army would launch any invasion to the Syrian territory including the area adjacent to the Turkish border to establish a "buffer zone" to protect civilians fleeing the violence.
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No surprise Hussein has fallen in with the muslim brotherhood`s second attempt at civil war in Syria.
Of course the first try was crushed by the Alawite Assad in the 1980s.
Hussein`s foreign policy of a radical muslim caliphate marches on.
Syrias leadership is Alawite - Turkeys Islamists, who are Sunnis, would naturally be offended by people they view as subhuman killing fellow Sunnis.
Ahmad ibn Taymiya (1268-1328), the still highly influential Sunni writer of Syrian origins, wrote in a fatwa (religious decision) that the Nusayris are more infidel than Jews or Christians, even more infidel than many polytheists. They have done greater harm to the community of Muhammad than have the warring infidels such as the Franks, the Turks, and others. To ignorant Muslims they pretend to be Shiis, though in reality they do not believe in God or His prophet or His book. Ibn Taymiya warned of the mischief their enmity can do: Whenever possible, they spill the blood of Muslims. They are always the worst enemies of the Muslims. In conclusion, he argued that war and punishment in accordance with Islamic law against them are among the greatest of pious deeds and the most important obligations for a Muslim. From the fourteenth century on, Sunnis used the term Nusayri to mean pariah.
Alawis had had no recognized position in the millet (sectarian) system of the Ottoman Empire. An Ottoman decree from 1571 notes that ancient custom required Alawis to pay extra taxes to the authorities and justified this on the grounds that Alawis neither practice the fast [of Ramadan] nor the ritual prayers, nor do they observe any precepts of the Islamic religion. Sunnis often saw food produced by Alawis as unclean, and did not eat it. According to Jacques Weulerrse, no Alawi would dare enter a Muslim mosque. Formerly, not one of their religious leaders was able to go to town on the day of public prayer [Friday] without risk of being stoned. Any public demonstration of the communitys separate identity was taken as a challenge [by the Sunnis].
Sunnis were not alone in reading Alawis out of Islam-mainstream Shiis did likewise. And Alawis in turn saw both groups as deficient.
Sunni heresiographers excoriated Alawi beliefs and viewed the Alawis as disbelievers (kuffar) and idolaters (mushrikun). Twelver Shii heresiographers were only slightly less vituperative and regarded the Alawis as ghulat, those who exceed all bounds in their deification of Ali. The Alawis, in turn, held Twelver Shiis to be muqassira, those who fall short of fathoming Alis divinity.
My first thought is the path of Israeli war planes to Iran.
No need. All Assad has to do is to start backing Turkey's Kurdish rebels. Turkey's Kurdish population is estimated at 16m people. Assad could also finally stop persecuting the Kurds in Syria and welcome them as a buffer against Turkey and an ally against Sunni Arabs in Syria.
The problem with using those missiles on Turkey is that Turkey is a NATO ally, and a missile attack on Turkish soil brings all kinds of treaty complications, whereas giving Turkish Kurds sanctuary creates all kinds of problems for the Turks without triggering a NATO response.
Me too. I immediately thought Iran when reading the headline.
That would certainly cause Turkey a lot of grief, too; but it sounds like it would take awhile to get rolling. If Turkey is going to try and do the same thing the US and NATO did to Libya, Assad will want to strike quickly before he loses the capability. After seeing Qaddafi's fate, I suspect that Assad will not surrender and will try to take as many of his attackers as possible with him.
I doubt the administration would want to explain outright betrayal of Israel but under the guise of ‘protecting Syrian civilians’ they’d have no problem raising the alarm and within minutes the entire mooslime world would be shooting missiles.
Barry Hussein Obama, making the world safe for the Muslim Brotherhood since 2009.
Can you hear Iran scream? Iran is being squeezed very very hard
Arab jet fighters, and possibly Turkish warplanes, backed by American logistic support will implement a no fly zone in Syria's skies, after the Arab League will issue a decision, under its Charter, calling for the protection of Syrian civilians.Iraq will balk.
Hmmm, not so sure about this. They may agree to call for a no fly zone but I cannot see these countries setting up a NFZ that hasn’t also been agreed on by the UN. And there is no way Russia/China will allow that to pass.
While he might or might not take great pleasure is slaughtering random numbers of Turks with missile barrages, launching those missiles is a surefire way of guaranteeing his own demise, because that will trigger a Turkish invasion that he will surely lose. Gaddafi fell because too few were willing to fight to the death for him. Syria's Alawite, Druze and Christian populations (~30% of the population) know that they will be exterminated if Sunni Islamists take power. As long as Turkey does not invade, Assad has a strong chance of staying in power, because these minority populations will stand with him to avoid being slaughtered in the event that the Alawite regime falls.
I don’t see a vital American interest. Of course, that’s why I expected Obama to back this.
Thansk to whowver put this in “breaking” I was unsure of the source for the story, since I had nver heard of alwabawa.
Turkey is the front man for a larger conspiracy. Motive for Turkey is ticket into the EU (as bad an idea as it is). Part of the NWO.
Purpose is to eliminate national sovereignty piece by piece and precedence has been established and entrenched for a future attack against the United States. Who will be the winner? Muzzies? China? The UN? Agenda 21?
Drill and let the Muzzies destroy each other.
Nations that can resist internal subversives may become allies to fight the NWO. They are the non-socialist and converting to capitalism states and states stepping away from their advances towards socialism after seeing the light.
Good, we get to help the Sunni in their perpetual war against the Shia. This should turn out well.
My guess is that it’s the Jordanian media mouthpiece, funded on a shoestring budget, relative to Qatari-government-funded al Jazeera. I’d think of it as the moderate alternative to (all jihad all the time) al Jazeera. From Wikipedia:
“alwabawa” or alibaba may be on the mark. Which universe or realm is the question. :)
That’s the historical norm. Good history and background in your other post as well.
Obama’s foreign policy is going for Maximum Mess.
You’ve got three empires - Persia, Turkey, and Egypt - vying for power with a shadow empire - Saudi Arabia - working behind the scenes and in madrassa’s across the globe to install Sharia law on unsuspecting liberal governments.
It’s not going to be a smooth flight.
You two and about 1% of Americans. The rest are wondering what to buy on Black Friday and the other half are wondering what they’re going to get for Christmas.
Staying completely out of it seldom works out well. Somebody always wins, and the empire that results will be stronger because of added population and resources. This is why a classic precept of strategic thought is to support* the weak against the strong, preferably the lesser of two evils. And Alawites are considered heretics - and therefore even more subhuman than non-Muslims - by Shiites** and Sunnis alike.
* This support doesn't have to take the form of direct military intervention - US financial and military aid for the South East Asian countries during the Vietnam War era prevented those countries from being similarly overrun by Chinese- and Soviet-backed (with arms, money and training) Communist insurgencies.
** If Assad is a heretic, why are Shiite regimes supporting him? Because the alternative is a Sunni-ruled Syrian regime - a real danger to Shiite states, considering that the vast majority of Muslim states in the region are Sunni-ruled. Shiites fear Sunnis because Sunnis have this habit of slaughtering or otherwise persecuting religious minorities.
very old map, but shows the Kurds sprinkled across a bunch of countries occupying their territory.
ah, a newer map:
My guess is that Al Bawaba stands for The Gatekeeper.
What about the border with Mexico? Canada? terrorists actvities? etc..........
No British empire in that mix?
It does look like Hussein wants a Caliphate armed with Nukes pointed at us.
All these states are going Radical Islam and have a death wish for us.
Who’s going to fly Muz-Cap?
My guess? Turkey. The Arab contribution will probably consist of cash grants to pay for fuel and ordnance. Unfortunately, our taxpayer dollars may end up going towards handing free ammo and fuel to Turkey so that they can achieve their goal of a Sunni Islamist (Ikhwan aka The Brethren aka Muslim Brotherhood) government in Syria to replace the current Alawite heretics running the place.
It is the handing over of the muslim world to religious sunni extremists. Long gone are the days of the strongarm arab rulers who destroy any semblance of religious extremism. It started in Iraq, and has spread to all of north africa and now its syrias turn. In the place of these dictators will rise islamic regimes and will lead to discrimination among minorities, specifically middle eastern Christians(case in point: Iraq, Egypt)
In the meantime, Obama and his grand project of further islamizing the arab world is a whopping success.
Imagine where we’d be if Obamao didn’t win a Nobel Peace Prize.
So far as I can see, there was no UN Security Council resolution given to authorize military force against Libya. There is no UNSC Resolution authorizing the use of force against Syria. So they haven't, in either case, complied with Article 43.
And no declaration of war has been given by Congress (nor an authorization given in accordance with the War Powers Resolution)
And neither country has asked for assistance.
So, as far as I can see, these are huge war crimes. I'm not any kind of a peacenik...but there is a proper, legal way to go about this (like how GWB did with both Afghanistan and Iraq) and an illegal way (like Clinton in Kosovo, Barry in Libya, and now this).
This may be bluster to put more pressure on Assad’s regime.
Is there a serious, credibly military and logistical plan for this???
I know that the IAF has kicked the SAF’s butts hard in the past, but without Israeli involvement (pretty unthinkable with current Turkish and Arab sentiments toward Israel), it would all depend upon Turkey’s capabilities and commitment.
Syria would not roll over, and it would be a tougher nut than Libya I’d guess....
Not saying it can’t be done militarily, but if Syria puts up a solid fight (big ‘if’ I know) Turkey would face serious losses even with their NATO quality forces.
I’m not saying this is not possible, either militarily or diplomatically, just that it seems unlikely to me. It would be a much tougher task than the no-fly zone over Libya.
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A better plan would be to fire their missles at Israel. Sure, Israel would likely pound the hell out of them. but the rest of the Muslim world would have to rally to Assad’s side. They coudln’t afford to be seen as stabbing a frontline state in the back while they are fighting the hated Jews.
Too bad for Saddam and Khadaffi they didn’t have a border with Israel.
The Empah passed from the scene by 1967 when they withdrew from east of Aden.
Are there still US assets in Libya? Didn’t they win yet? Best damned thing that could happen right now is the fall of Assad, however that’s accomplished. Suddenly, Iran and Hizbollah are short a partner.
Assad could support the Turkish Kurds. Turkey could support the Syrian Kurds. Israel could support the Turkish, Syrian and Iranian Kurds, and also Iranian student dissidents. Let the good times roll.
Yep war #4 since Uganda hasn’t sprouted yet. Also Yemen sorta fell a bit this week...another fracas we’re in thanks to the Nobel dynamite prize guy.
Egypt still has possibilities.
1) In the name of "civilian safety", NATO begins "kinetic military action" vs Syria.
2) Iran responds as support for their ally.
3) Israel now has "cover" to attack Iran nuclear facilities.
4) Iran unleashes attack on Israel and activates "cells" all over Europe and in U.S.