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Doomsday for defense? (After supercommittee’s failure, cuts threaten America's military future)
NY Post ^ | November 21, 2011 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 11/22/2011 4:44:36 PM PST by presidio9

The news last week from the Pentagon’s supersecret Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency that it had successfully tested a hypersonic missile capable of speeds up to 3,082 mph caused quite a stir in military circles, and no wonder. Imagine being able to aim at and hit any target on the planet within an hour; or soldiers in Afghanistan calling in a pinpoint airstrike with missiles fired from Omaha.

Taken together with the successful test by the Office of Naval Research over Halloween of its hypersonic electromagnetic railgun — which, once it goes into action, can knock out approaching missiles as far away as 100 miles — and we may be entering an era as revolutionary as when gunpowder replaced the crossbow.

Unfortunately, now that Congress’ supercommittee has failed to reach some kind of budget deal, we may be doomed to crossbows for good.

The resulting sequestration of funds could strip away as much as $1 trillion from defense spending over the next decade — and put future weapons systems like hypersonic in permanent eclipse.

The House Armed Services Committee’s Democrats and Republicans have issued a chilling report on what happens if sequestration sets in.

We’ll be losing 60 ships from the Navy, including two carrier battle groups, and we’ll have 200,000 fewer troops than in 2010. Production of the Army’s Apache attack helicopter and Kiowa reconnaissance helicopter will have to shut down. No vertical take-off F-35 fighter for the Marines — and no next generation bomber for the Air Force. On top of losing ships, the Navy will also see fewer and fewer replacements,

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: supercommittee

1 posted on 11/22/2011 4:44:39 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

So if the defense budget grows at 16% instead of 23%, that’s doomsday?


2 posted on 11/22/2011 4:46:34 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: presidio9

doomsday is that public welfare will gobble up everything and defense will be drained till we are like France,Britain etc,incapable of any large,sustained effort militarily


3 posted on 11/22/2011 4:54:07 PM PST by coalman (survived carter ,disco and clinton,just holding on till 2012)
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To: presidio9

More like doomsday for Democrats. More to blame them for.


4 posted on 11/22/2011 4:54:49 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: San Jacinto
If we can't even get believable numbers on what congress is currently spending, how do we expect them to come up with believable numbers on future spending?

We have truly fallen down the rabbit hole.

5 posted on 11/22/2011 4:58:24 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

The only thng I know for sure is that they are not going to cut anything at all—ever. I heard today that to meet the mandated goal of cutting 1.2 trillion over 10 years all they really had to do was reduce anticipated growth in spending by $980 billion over TEN YEARS.(The rest of the ‘reduction’ would be booked in as reduced interest payments.) That’s $98 billion a year in reduced increases. A pittance.

They didn’t even come close. The dims are determined to raise taxes. More taxes — no cuts. Not even “pretend” cuts. They are outright socialists across the board. No Republican is articulating anything to the contrary. This country is going to go broke, without doubt.


6 posted on 11/22/2011 5:09:44 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: San Jacinto

With procurement boondoggles that are the result of decades of union contracts and a too-many-cooks-is-good-for-the-broth mentality, it may not be doomsday but we’ll feel it.

Like the tax code, the whole procurement system needs to be scrapped and rebuilt.


7 posted on 11/22/2011 5:15:54 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: snowrip

Cut everything, yes, even the military.


8 posted on 11/22/2011 5:18:22 PM PST by refermech
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To: refermech

Cut everything else and reform procurement, and the military will have more money than it can spend.


9 posted on 11/22/2011 5:25:51 PM PST by snowrip (Liberal? You are a socialist idiot with no rational argument.)
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To: presidio9

The Navy should fit out for taking on China, nothing more and not a ship less.


10 posted on 11/22/2011 5:30:40 PM PST by Jacquerie (Think outside the pizza box.)
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To: Jacquerie
The Navy should fit out for taking on China, nothing more and not a ship less.

Ron Paul supporter, right? China is a major concern, but if Iran gets to sit on the Strait of Hormuz with nuclear weapons, it is going to ruin our whole century.

11 posted on 11/22/2011 5:32:40 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: snowrip
There is a lot of fat in the National Defense Education Act that should be trimmed before active military.

TWB

12 posted on 11/22/2011 5:37:50 PM PST by TWhiteBear (Jobs, Peace, Food, Security .... Down with Obama(Peacefully))
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To: presidio9

13 posted on 11/22/2011 5:51:40 PM PST by Jacquerie (Think outside the pizza box.)
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To: Jacquerie

Let me get this straight: A Cain supporter with a limited understanding of current geopolitical issues? Priceless.


14 posted on 11/22/2011 5:53:59 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
The Navy is currently eating its ranks. Enlisted Retention Boards and "Perform To Serve" are the military versions of mass corporate layoffs. I'm seeing it every day. Good Sailors who've never done anything but do their jobs well are getting the naval equivalent of pink slips and being sent packing while the rest of us have to pick up the slack through longer work hours, longer deployments and increased "gun-decking".

It's quickly becoming unbearable. The Navy will survive to regret this policy, especially after the economy turns around and all the "hard chargers" who got to keep their jobs pull chocks and flee.

15 posted on 11/22/2011 6:11:25 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Thanks for this. Do you have any suggestions for where the Navy COULD be cutting expenditures?


16 posted on 11/22/2011 6:15:12 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: refermech
Cut everything, yes, even the military.

We are going to have to and although I will get flak for this I'm sure, the military will have to suffer with everyone else. There are no sacred cows here and those that are, I turn into hamburger. Like Newt Gingrich said, "I'm a hawk, but a cheap hawk." We just need to make the cuts to where the fat is and to programs we don't need anymore.

OK, I'm just brainstorming here so here goes....

I'd like to see the military use more "off the shelf" and known stuff. Also, I'd consolidate on a few basic frame structures. Take the LAV-25 for example, the basic body can be used to make the Stryker or whatever else you need. I'd strike the F-35 program. That thing screams junk to me as I say all the time. I'd keep the F-22's we have for now, most likely retire the B2 bomber, it is a "White Elephant." From what I've heard, the F-22 is a hanger queen. I'd keep the M-16 system for ground troops.

I'd have to say that we might have to make do with using our 1970's/1980's era equipment for a while yet. If I could add to the mix, instead of the F-22, I'd go with the F-15 Silent Eagle, you can get three for the price of one F-22. I think we'd also need a low-cost, basic fighter, the F-20 (beefed up F-5) would be nice. I'd also give the Navy and Marines more Super Hornets and bring back the F-14. I'd go for recommissioning more B-52's and maybe if I can, bring more B-1 bombers on the line. I'd keep the F-16 too. I'd keep the Navy at the same level for now, I wish we had more ships but I'd have4 to study that side more.

One programs I'd really add to is a missile defense system based on both ABM's and lasers. We need that badly, you know in case if Iran and/or North Korea gets uppity and afterwards, I'd turn the B-52's loose on them.

Maybe we can minimize the cuts if we do bring our troop home from Iraq and other places. In a way, Ron Paul is right (we stuck our nose in too many places), but he is also wrong too (Iran is a rabid dog you can't reason with), we just need to find that place in the middle somewhere. Also, my ideas are no means complete on this, just something to toss out as I brainstorm so your mileage may vary.
17 posted on 11/22/2011 6:26:58 PM PST by Nowhere Man (GOVT.SYS corrupted run GUN.COM? (Y/Y) -- GUN.COM not found, execute BASEBALL.BAT? (Y/Y))
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To: Nowhere Man
If I could add to the mix, instead of the F-22, I'd go with the F-15 Silent Eagle, you can get three for the price of one F-22.

Golden Rule from our last three decades of military conflict: More does not necessarily equal better.

18 posted on 11/22/2011 6:37:44 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Ping.


19 posted on 11/22/2011 6:42:02 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: presidio9
Golden Rule from our last three decades of military conflict: More does not necessarily equal better.

I know there are other variables here but I know that worked for the Russians in World War II. The T-34 tank have been inferior to the German Tigers but the latter were a nightmare to keep running. Same logic to the US and Allies with the Sherman tank. I think the F-15 has a lot of life left in her, especially if we go with the Silent Eagle version to supplement what we have.
20 posted on 11/22/2011 6:47:02 PM PST by Nowhere Man (GOVT.SYS corrupted run GUN.COM? (Y/Y) -- GUN.COM not found, execute BASEBALL.BAT? (Y/Y))
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To: Nowhere Man

Going with your tank analogy, that exact paradigm was proved to be outdated in the Battle of 73 Easting. I watch a lot of Military Channel.


21 posted on 11/22/2011 6:58:10 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: snowrip

What?! No budget for border patrol?!


22 posted on 11/22/2011 7:37:31 PM PST by Wiz
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To: San Jacinto

Yes, a cut in the rate of growth is just the end of the world. Over 10 years we might have to let EUrtopia defend itself, we might have to bring our troops home from Kosovo, Haiti and other countries. We might have to let some countries defend themselves if they are attacked. The horror. lol.

A spending freeze across the board would make more sense.


23 posted on 11/23/2011 1:28:40 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Nowhere Man

I like your ideas. Makes a lot of sense. We need a smaller footprint in the world. a lot has changed and we must acknowledge the realities we now face.


24 posted on 11/23/2011 3:47:12 AM PST by refermech
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To: refermech

Agree. Too many living in never never land. Do the words 15 trillion in debt mean nothing? Security is based, as well on economic stability.


25 posted on 11/23/2011 7:24:44 AM PST by alamogal
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To: presidio9
Going with your tank analogy, that exact paradigm was proved to be outdated in the Battle of 73 Easting. I watch a lot of Military Channel.

Point taken so that's why I put in the clause where "your mileage may vary." I know there was a time Zulus overran Queen Victoria's finest in a battle but the reverse can be true too such as the Conquistadors taking the entire Aztec Empire with a few hundred men. "Rock beats laser" is a common trope in real-life as well as fiction and does happen quite a bit though.
26 posted on 11/23/2011 7:27:44 AM PST by Nowhere Man (GOVT.SYS corrupted run GUN.COM? (Y/Y) -- GUN.COM not found, execute BASEBALL.BAT? (Y/Y))
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