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The Gingrich Amnesty
NRO ^ | Nov 23, 2011 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 11/23/2011 7:34:31 AM PST by heiss

Missed the debate because of wrestling practice, but it’s hardly surprising that Newt would support amnesty for illegal aliens. After the Pelosi global-warming ad and Dede Scozzafava and “right-wing social engineering,” is it any surprise he’d adopt the left’s line on immigration too? He earned a career grade of D from Numbers USA (they calculate back to 1989). Heck, even Barbara Boxer has a career grade of D+.

.. So the Gingrich Amnesty would cover illegal immigrants here when Congress passed IRCA. That is to say, it would pick up where the previous amnesty left off, legalizing precisely those people who didn’t qualify for IRCA. This just underlines what a chump you have to be to support any deal offered you by amnesty supporters.

Which is why “enforcement first” is the only way to go: consistent, unapologetic, across-the-board enforcement of the immigration law at our consulates overseas for visa applicants, at the borders, and inside the country, especially at the worksite — without preconditions or deals or grand bargains.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; gingrich; illegal; newt; rinoexpress
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Newt is just like Perry when it comes to amnesty. He just don't get it.
1 posted on 11/23/2011 7:34:35 AM PST by heiss
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To: heiss

Newt is slipping. I bet that he will slip on some other issues like Obamacare or Global Warming if pressed hard enough.


2 posted on 11/23/2011 7:37:38 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: heiss
I think we should let newt and perry have a knife fight to see which is the most in-favor of amnesty, there can be only one number one.
3 posted on 11/23/2011 7:37:43 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Thunder90

Newt loves big government, I bet he supports the HHS unit, as long as it applies to non politicians.


4 posted on 11/23/2011 7:39:34 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: heiss

I’ve seen a number of comments on FR this morning supporting the Newt position.


5 posted on 11/23/2011 7:40:17 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: heiss

Too bad your bias is so deep you can’t pay attention to the details of his plan.
Even Laura Ingraham assigns motives and consequences that Newt is NOT promoting.
Arm waiving isn’t going solve anything.
A solution must be workable and not encourage continuing floods of illegals.
That is the case with Newt’s plan.


6 posted on 11/23/2011 7:40:49 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: heiss
He just don't get it

Oh, he gets it, all right.

It's President Tancredo, President Hunter, and Senator Hayworth that don't get it.

Doesn't sound like you get it, either.

7 posted on 11/23/2011 7:41:25 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: heiss

I thought it was kind of funny that he said we can’t compromise with the left because they don’t compromise with us only to turn around and say we need to compromise on illegal immigration.


8 posted on 11/23/2011 7:42:06 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: SuzyQue

“I’ve seen a number of comments on FR this morning supporting the Newt position.”

You mean FR has sizable pro-illegal faction? Wow. What next, pro-abortion minded freepers?


9 posted on 11/23/2011 7:42:32 AM PST by heiss (heartless)
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To: heiss
Who was it that wanted to build a moat and electric fence?
10 posted on 11/23/2011 7:42:48 AM PST by TexasCajun (Fast & Furious , Solyndra & Light Squared would be enough to impeach any White President !!)
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To: heiss
The funny part of this whole thing about Newt and his comments about Immigration is that it gives the MEDIA and that’s ALL Media a chance to show how in the tank for Romney they are. I know the MSM will bludgeon Romney if and when he gets the nomination. In the meantime all media is doing their best to kill off any Mitt competition.
11 posted on 11/23/2011 7:43:40 AM PST by mk2000
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To: mk2000

I’m having a 2008 flashback....


12 posted on 11/23/2011 7:44:34 AM PST by Califreak (It was the best of times, it was the worst of times)
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To: heiss

The deportation/forced emmigration of 12 million people would be the largest migration in human history. Not going to happen.


13 posted on 11/23/2011 7:45:01 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: heiss

Climate change nut and amnesty.

Talks just like a lefty even after falling over himself earlier.

Still voting for Bachman whether she is candidate or not.


14 posted on 11/23/2011 7:46:03 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: TexasCajun

not me. I just want a good , old-fashion minefield like the one we put on the S.Korea border.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 7:46:52 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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To: Jim Noble; G Larry
How about the Newt squad try to deal with reality today.

When Mitt Romney is to the right of your "Conservative" candidate on a major issue like immigration, you have a problem.

16 posted on 11/23/2011 7:47:31 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Lou Budvis

Ah, give me that American “can’t do it” attitude.


17 posted on 11/23/2011 7:47:49 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: SuzyQue

I have seen a number of posts on Twitter supporting Newt’s immigration policy as well. Some are even Cain fans. Illegal immigration is a serious problem and our approach can’t be all or nothing, because we end up with nothing.It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.


18 posted on 11/23/2011 7:48:07 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: heiss
Missed the debate because of wrestling practice, but it’s hardly surprising that Newt would support amnesty for illegal aliens.

I suppose one should not be surprised you came to that conclusion, since you missed the debate. But if you're interested in making conclusions based on information, here's what he said:

“I did vote for the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. Ronald Reagan, in his diary, says he signed it – and we were supposed to have 300,000 people get amnesty. There were 3m. But he signed it because we were going to get two things in return. We were going to get control of the border and we were going to get a guest worker program with employer enforcement.

“We got neither. So I think you’ve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border, as the governor said. I believe ultimately you have to find some system – once you’ve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here.”

“If you’re here – if you’ve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home. period. If you’ve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, you’ve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.”

“The Krieble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you don’t get a pass to citizenship. And so there’s a way to ultimately end up with a country where there’s no more illegality, but you haven’t automatically given amnesty to anyone.”

“I do suggest if you go back to your district, and you find people who have been here 25 years and have two generations of family and have been paying taxes and are in a local church, as somebody who believes strongly in family, you’ll have a hard time explaining why that particular subset is being broken up and forced to leave, given the fact that they’ve been law-abiding citizens for 25 years.”

“I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who have been here a quarter century, who have children and grandchildren, who are members of the community, who may have done something 25 years ago, separate them from their families, and expel them.”

“I do believe if you’ve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers, but I would urge all of you to look at the Krieble Foundation Plan.”

“I don’t see how the party that says it’s the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families that have been here a quarter century. And I’m prepared to take the heat for saying, let’s be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families.”

19 posted on 11/23/2011 7:48:51 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: heiss
NEWT SAID......"let's be humane in enforcing the law WITHOUT GIVING THEM CITIZENSHIP"

People need to pay attention to details....Newt is not saying they should be given citizenship.

20 posted on 11/23/2011 7:50:34 AM PST by caww
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To: Lou Budvis

Yeah, and we cannot go to moon either.
This is BS.

First, we build a fence making it more difficult to enter here illegally.
Then, we mandate and enforce E-Verify and additional laws (such as enforcement actions in AZ, AL) and accelerate deportations. We can deport every illegal that is caught eg. in hospital.

Then we can change the law making it clear that no illegal can ever get citizenship nor can sponsor, ever. This is important to prevent chain-immigration.

Many will self-deport them and what is most importat, it will reduce future illegals. We continue to deport people that are caught.

Pushing amnesty (perry/newt) style is dishonest and fundamentally wrong. It doesn’t solve anything and it would only lead to further illegals entering here.


21 posted on 11/23/2011 7:50:55 AM PST by heiss (heartless)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Show me a plan or a study that shows how 12 mil are going to be deported/self-deport.


22 posted on 11/23/2011 7:52:43 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: heiss
Newt just did a "Perry" on himself, took pressure off Romney and resurrected Herman Cain.

This is the kind of thing that scares people about Newt. Every so often he just lurches off to the left side of the road.

Here is what I want my candidate to say on the illegal issue:

"It is inhumane to NOT deport illegal immigrants who came to the United States over the last 25 years.

To NOT deport illegals means the government will continue to extort money from hard working, struggling, legal taxpaying citizens to provide government benefits for these illegals.

It also means that these illegals will continue to hold jobs that citizens need and to place costly burdens on schools, colleges, hospitals and other medical facilities."


23 posted on 11/23/2011 7:53:59 AM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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To: heiss

Newt proves once again that he’s the Tony Romo of politics: dazzling most of the time, infuriatingly incompetent late in the game.


24 posted on 11/23/2011 7:54:29 AM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: G Larry

Part of Newt’s plan is for the states to stop their programs that allow ‘free loading’. He believes in states rights...if you live in a state that encourages illegals by paying to send their children to school, provides a certain amount of welfare, food stamps etc. then the problem is really yours.....isn’t it. As the man said, ‘the devil is in the details.......


25 posted on 11/23/2011 7:55:24 AM PST by yoe
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To: heiss
Yeah, damn that Newt and his amnesty plans.
What we need is a REAL Conservative like Ronald Reagan:Hmmm ...
26 posted on 11/23/2011 7:56:45 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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In 1993, Newt Gingrich endorsed and supported Amnesty for Illegal Aliens.

In 2011, Newt Gingrich endorsed and supported the Dream Act.

For almost 20 years, Newt Gingrich has endorsed and supported illegal immigrants.

If someone unauthorized chooses to illegally break into your house, it is a FELONY. If someone burglarizes your home and then decides to move in and stay as a squatter, the act is still a FELONY,

If someone unauthorized chooses to break into America, it is a FELONY. If someone burglarizes your country and decides to move in and stay for 20 or 25 years as a squatter, the act is still a FELONY.

Illegal aliens are long term FELONS. Aside from burglary, illegal aliens are breaking the law in several ways;

1.) Illegal aliens are stealing identities. (ID theft is a felony.)

2.) Illegal aliens are evading paying taxes. (Tax evasion is a felony.)

3.) Illegal aliens use facilities paid for by residents such as schools and hospitals. (Theft of facilities from others is a FELONY.)

There should never be any, "Yeah, but" replies.

Feel free to post the above as your own, on any liberal web sites.

27 posted on 11/23/2011 7:57:10 AM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Have you listened to the details of Newt’s plan?

Did you listen to Mitt’s response on Immigration last night?

Mitt and Newt are on the same page, but Newt has more details on how to go about implementing it.

In fact Newt is one of the few people in America who IS dealing with reality on the subject.

It’s easy to label and react.
Reading, research, and thought, take time and effort.


28 posted on 11/23/2011 7:57:36 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: caww

“”let’s be humane in enforcing the law WITHOUT GIVING THEM CITIZENSHIP””

Why can’t we first enforce the laws and build a fence, and only then, if those have been successful, consider further actions?

Every amnesty idea is always pushed so that few nice illegals get some benefits and there will aggressive enforcement. There never is any enforcement and leftists courts and administration always extend and enlarge the amnesty. If they get legal status, then in the next phase they would demand citizenship (and in anycase, they would be able to get it easier if they already have legal status).

Perry and Newt are unacceptable. I was hoping that Newt would moderate his radical views, but he doubling-down just like Perry.


29 posted on 11/23/2011 7:57:45 AM PST by heiss (heartless)
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To: Lou Budvis
Show me a plan or a study that shows how 12 mil are going to be deported/self-deport.

It works in Arizona

30 posted on 11/23/2011 7:58:37 AM PST by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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To: heiss

Do have any clue how much money it would take to deport every illegal that came in contact with the police, a hosptial, etc.?


31 posted on 11/23/2011 7:58:37 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
Illegal immigration is a serious problem and our approach can’t be all or nothing, because we end up with nothing.It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Newt mentioned just that by referencing Reagans attempt...

....We signed the "Simpson-Mazzoli Act".... Ronald Reagan, in his diary, says he signed it – and we were supposed to have 300,000 people get amnesty. There were 3 million. But he signed it BECAUSE we were going to get two things in return...... We were going to get control of the border and we were going to get a guest worker program with employer enforcement....“We got neither.....

So I think you’ve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that STARTS WITH with controlling the border

32 posted on 11/23/2011 7:59:40 AM PST by caww
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To: Lou Budvis

Less than current cost from the parasites. Do you have any clue how much they cost now?

Besides, we do not have to deport 100%. If there is reasonable threat that they can be deported, they would lose less services, and would be less likely to stay here (or enter here).

When did American become “it can’t be done” country?


33 posted on 11/23/2011 8:00:27 AM PST by heiss (heartless)
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To: Lady Lucky

So glad someone posted what he actually said. Personally I’d like to deport all of them, and their families. However, as Newt pointed out, that is just not going to happen, the country is not prepared to do it. So, what’s the alternative? I thought Newt’s idea was pretty good, it is something that is actually doable and it is not amnesty. You have to live in the real world rather than basing your future on the unicorn ranch you are going to build.


34 posted on 11/23/2011 8:01:27 AM PST by Bayan
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To: Lou Budvis
Do have any clue how much money it would take to deport every illegal that came in contact with the police, a hosptial, etc.?

Well...in Arizona there are a lot less illegals coming to the emergency rooms in the first place....they all SELF DEPORTED thensselves ...and their spawn.

35 posted on 11/23/2011 8:01:49 AM PST by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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To: caww

Yes, it has to start with controlling the borders.


36 posted on 11/23/2011 8:04:14 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: pyx
That's the problem. Coming into the country illegally is not a felony; it's a misdomeaner so that it doesn't require the lengthy, expensive court process that a felony would.

I hear ya, though. Time to toss folks out.

37 posted on 11/23/2011 8:04:20 AM PST by TheWriterTX (Rock you like a Herman Cain 2012)
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To: heiss
Newt is just like Perry when it comes to amnesty. He just don't get it.

More shocking is the number of FReepers who just don't get it, or are in denial after having been seduced by the Pied Piper of politics in the debates. Newt is just an illusion, people. I know it hurts, but now PLEASE take a close look at his horrific record - whether in 1979, as one of only 29 Republicans (mostly N.E. RINOs) to vote for Jimmy Carter's Department of Education, or in 2007, when he agreed with John Kerry that the Federal gov't needed to "urgently" take action to stop global warming, on which Newt said "the evidence is sufficient" that man is the cause.

38 posted on 11/23/2011 8:04:22 AM PST by montag813
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To: heiss
Closing the border is what need to be done. The people here can be dealt with.
Sending them back or not sending them back; is kind of a moot discussion with a open border.

There should never be nay compromise about about controlling and closing our border. It is a national security issue.
I think good people can have different opinions about how to handle the ones here; assuming we have closed the border.

39 posted on 11/23/2011 8:04:28 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Lou Budvis
Show me a plan or a study that shows how 12 mil are going to be deported/self-deport.

Shut down freebies and stop employment for illegals. A large number will deport themselves when the jobs and handouts go away. That will significantly reduce the size of the problem.

Then deport those who seek emergency medical treatment (after they have been treated).

Then deport anyone who comes in contact with law enforcement for any reason.

That will cause another large self-exodus. Not many will want to live here when they can't generate income or get handouts and free (to them) services. It won't eliminate the problem but will bring it to managable size.

By the way, have you noticed that seven or eight years ago, back when George Bush was pushing Shamnesty, we were told by the federal government and the media that there were 12 million illegals here with about 1/2 to 1 million more entering each year.

Yet, over the last year or so we have still been told there are only 12 million illegals here.

Now some say the number is down to 11 million.

If we just wait long enough the federal government will report they are all gone and the problem will cease to exist.

/s


40 posted on 11/23/2011 8:05:32 AM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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To: heiss

Sadly you have told an untruth about Perry.

All:

PLEASE watch this video of Cavuto and Perry from 2010.
Listen to the TRUTH.

http://texasgopvote.com/2010-elections/texas-elections/governor-rick-perry-border-security-and-backdoor-amnesty-001842


41 posted on 11/23/2011 8:06:30 AM PST by marty60
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To: heiss
Why can’t we first enforce the laws and build a fence, and only then, if those have been successful, consider further actions?

Well obvious there isn't a willingness to enforce laws which are so complicated and full of burocricy that attorneys use every loop hole around them so they're tied up in ocurts for years.....that's why Newt did say the first order is to secure the border.

Newt...."I think you’ve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border,....“I do believe if you’ve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you...... I do believe we should control the border.... ...I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers.

42 posted on 11/23/2011 8:06:42 AM PST by caww
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To: SuzyQue
I’ve seen a number of comments on FR this morning supporting the Newt position.

The lengths to which his new FR supporters will go to explain away his RINO record and to give him a pass on just about everything is astounding.

43 posted on 11/23/2011 8:07:10 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: heiss

Here is the process for deportation. http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportation/Deportation-and-Removal-Process.html Multiply by 12 mil.


44 posted on 11/23/2011 8:07:26 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: Night Hides Not

Hey leave Tony Romo out of this!
He’s my QB!


45 posted on 11/23/2011 8:09:06 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: oh8eleven
See post 19 for a quick elucidation of Simpson-Mazzoli. It was not what you seem to think it was; and what Reagan signed, mostly did not happen. Newt was right about this.
46 posted on 11/23/2011 8:09:27 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Lou Budvis

Why do we always get so much drama from you amnesty lovers? With you the choice can only be between deportation or amnesty because you want the amnesty. Any honest person knows there are more things we can do to make certain our immigration laws are obeyed and American citizens are protected. Self deportation as a method works so much better. Making life here so onerous for illegals that they voluntarily go back home is the way to go. That method has been used effectively in the past so we have a model to work from.

And the only reason there would be any problem with this is opposition from pandering amnesty lovers, illegals and the slimy, traitorous business owners who feed off of them.


47 posted on 11/23/2011 8:09:46 AM PST by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: MNJohnnie; Liz

When Mitt Romney is to the right of your “Conservative” candidate on a major issue like immigration, you have a problem.
__________________________________________

Say what ???????

Romney has never been right of anyone on so called “immigration”

Hes been lovin on the illegal aliens all along...

When hes not knowingly hiring them and then lying about it..

hes wanting to give them AMNESTY...

“We cant sent them all back”

“We’ve got to find a path to citizenship”

and his ignorance on the subject...

Last night he wanted to start giving LGAL IMMIGRANTS some kind of “card they can take to an employer so they can be hired”

HEY !!! Willie Mitty !!!

You’re late to the dance again as usual...

Thats already been done ...years ago..

It used to be called a green card because it was green..

I think its blue now...

Anyhoo its proper name is Alien Registration Card...

The number on this card is placed at the top right hand corner of the citizenship document when the IMMIGRANT becomes a US citizen...

and its not just “given” to an immigrant...

the immigrant doesnt apply for it AFTER they arrive in the US...

all the paperwork and requirements to use one is done in the immigrants home country...

BEFORE they ever leave home to come here...

Its automatic after they have been here 90 days..

They may not work UNTIL they recieve it...

Romney is so stuck on the illegal aliens and getting them AMNESTY and the DREAM Act...

he seems to have never studied what is involved with the processing of the REAL immigrants ...

This morning he needs to slap which ever handler gave him that “great idea” to mention during the debate..


48 posted on 11/23/2011 8:10:24 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Iron Munro

You know that if an illegal shows up at a hospital, ICE can’t just drive him to the airport and put him on a plane to oaxaca, right? Here’s the process - http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportation/Deportation-and-Removal-Process.html Multiply by 12 mil.


49 posted on 11/23/2011 8:10:37 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: Lou Budvis
One reason it is not going to happen is that no one in a position of authority has ever proposed such a thing.
50 posted on 11/23/2011 8:11:04 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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