Skip to comments.The Gingrich Amnesty
Posted on 11/23/2011 7:34:31 AM PST by heiss
Missed the debate because of wrestling practice, but its hardly surprising that Newt would support amnesty for illegal aliens. After the Pelosi global-warming ad and Dede Scozzafava and right-wing social engineering, is it any surprise hed adopt the lefts line on immigration too? He earned a career grade of D from Numbers USA (they calculate back to 1989). Heck, even Barbara Boxer has a career grade of D+.
.. So the Gingrich Amnesty would cover illegal immigrants here when Congress passed IRCA. That is to say, it would pick up where the previous amnesty left off, legalizing precisely those people who didnt qualify for IRCA. This just underlines what a chump you have to be to support any deal offered you by amnesty supporters.
Which is why enforcement first is the only way to go: consistent, unapologetic, across-the-board enforcement of the immigration law at our consulates overseas for visa applicants, at the borders, and inside the country, especially at the worksite without preconditions or deals or grand bargains.
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Newt is slipping. I bet that he will slip on some other issues like Obamacare or Global Warming if pressed hard enough.
Newt loves big government, I bet he supports the HHS unit, as long as it applies to non politicians.
I’ve seen a number of comments on FR this morning supporting the Newt position.
Too bad your bias is so deep you can’t pay attention to the details of his plan.
Even Laura Ingraham assigns motives and consequences that Newt is NOT promoting.
Arm waiving isn’t going solve anything.
A solution must be workable and not encourage continuing floods of illegals.
That is the case with Newt’s plan.
Oh, he gets it, all right.
It's President Tancredo, President Hunter, and Senator Hayworth that don't get it.
Doesn't sound like you get it, either.
I thought it was kind of funny that he said we can’t compromise with the left because they don’t compromise with us only to turn around and say we need to compromise on illegal immigration.
“Ive seen a number of comments on FR this morning supporting the Newt position.”
You mean FR has sizable pro-illegal faction? Wow. What next, pro-abortion minded freepers?
I’m having a 2008 flashback....
The deportation/forced emmigration of 12 million people would be the largest migration in human history. Not going to happen.
Climate change nut and amnesty.
Talks just like a lefty even after falling over himself earlier.
Still voting for Bachman whether she is candidate or not.
not me. I just want a good , old-fashion minefield like the one we put on the S.Korea border.
When Mitt Romney is to the right of your "Conservative" candidate on a major issue like immigration, you have a problem.
Ah, give me that American “can’t do it” attitude.
I have seen a number of posts on Twitter supporting Newt’s immigration policy as well. Some are even Cain fans. Illegal immigration is a serious problem and our approach can’t be all or nothing, because we end up with nothing.It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
I suppose one should not be surprised you came to that conclusion, since you missed the debate. But if you're interested in making conclusions based on information, here's what he said:
I did vote for the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. Ronald Reagan, in his diary, says he signed it and we were supposed to have 300,000 people get amnesty. There were 3m. But he signed it because we were going to get two things in return. We were going to get control of the border and we were going to get a guest worker program with employer enforcement.
We got neither. So I think youve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border, as the governor said. I believe ultimately you have to find some system once youve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here.
If youre here if youve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home. period. If youve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, youve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I dont think were going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.
The Krieble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you dont get a pass to citizenship. And so theres a way to ultimately end up with a country where theres no more illegality, but you havent automatically given amnesty to anyone.
I do suggest if you go back to your district, and you find people who have been here 25 years and have two generations of family and have been paying taxes and are in a local church, as somebody who believes strongly in family, youll have a hard time explaining why that particular subset is being broken up and forced to leave, given the fact that theyve been law-abiding citizens for 25 years.
I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who have been here a quarter century, who have children and grandchildren, who are members of the community, who may have done something 25 years ago, separate them from their families, and expel them.
I do believe if youve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers, but I would urge all of you to look at the Krieble Foundation Plan.
I dont see how the party that says its the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families that have been here a quarter century. And Im prepared to take the heat for saying, lets be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families.
People need to pay attention to details....Newt is not saying they should be given citizenship.
Yeah, and we cannot go to moon either.
This is BS.
First, we build a fence making it more difficult to enter here illegally.
Then, we mandate and enforce E-Verify and additional laws (such as enforcement actions in AZ, AL) and accelerate deportations. We can deport every illegal that is caught eg. in hospital.
Then we can change the law making it clear that no illegal can ever get citizenship nor can sponsor, ever. This is important to prevent chain-immigration.
Many will self-deport them and what is most importat, it will reduce future illegals. We continue to deport people that are caught.
Pushing amnesty (perry/newt) style is dishonest and fundamentally wrong. It doesn’t solve anything and it would only lead to further illegals entering here.
Show me a plan or a study that shows how 12 mil are going to be deported/self-deport.
This is the kind of thing that scares people about Newt. Every so often he just lurches off to the left side of the road.
Here is what I want my candidate to say on the illegal issue:
"It is inhumane to NOT deport illegal immigrants who came to the United States over the last 25 years.
To NOT deport illegals means the government will continue to extort money from hard working, struggling, legal taxpaying citizens to provide government benefits for these illegals.
It also means that these illegals will continue to hold jobs that citizens need and to place costly burdens on schools, colleges, hospitals and other medical facilities."
Newt proves once again that he’s the Tony Romo of politics: dazzling most of the time, infuriatingly incompetent late in the game.
Part of Newt’s plan is for the states to stop their programs that allow ‘free loading’. He believes in states rights...if you live in a state that encourages illegals by paying to send their children to school, provides a certain amount of welfare, food stamps etc. then the problem is really yours.....isn’t it. As the man said, ‘the devil is in the details.......
Have you listened to the details of Newt’s plan?
Did you listen to Mitt’s response on Immigration last night?
Mitt and Newt are on the same page, but Newt has more details on how to go about implementing it.
In fact Newt is one of the few people in America who IS dealing with reality on the subject.
It’s easy to label and react.
Reading, research, and thought, take time and effort.
“”let’s be humane in enforcing the law WITHOUT GIVING THEM CITIZENSHIP””
Why can’t we first enforce the laws and build a fence, and only then, if those have been successful, consider further actions?
Every amnesty idea is always pushed so that few nice illegals get some benefits and there will aggressive enforcement. There never is any enforcement and leftists courts and administration always extend and enlarge the amnesty. If they get legal status, then in the next phase they would demand citizenship (and in anycase, they would be able to get it easier if they already have legal status).
Perry and Newt are unacceptable. I was hoping that Newt would moderate his radical views, but he doubling-down just like Perry.
It works in Arizona
Do have any clue how much money it would take to deport every illegal that came in contact with the police, a hosptial, etc.?
Newt mentioned just that by referencing Reagans attempt...
....We signed the "Simpson-Mazzoli Act".... Ronald Reagan, in his diary, says he signed it and we were supposed to have 300,000 people get amnesty. There were 3 million. But he signed it BECAUSE we were going to get two things in return...... We were going to get control of the border and we were going to get a guest worker program with employer enforcement....We got neither.....
So I think youve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that STARTS WITH with controlling the border
Less than current cost from the parasites. Do you have any clue how much they cost now?
Besides, we do not have to deport 100%. If there is reasonable threat that they can be deported, they would lose less services, and would be less likely to stay here (or enter here).
When did American become “it can’t be done” country?
So glad someone posted what he actually said. Personally I’d like to deport all of them, and their families. However, as Newt pointed out, that is just not going to happen, the country is not prepared to do it. So, what’s the alternative? I thought Newt’s idea was pretty good, it is something that is actually doable and it is not amnesty. You have to live in the real world rather than basing your future on the unicorn ranch you are going to build.
Well...in Arizona there are a lot less illegals coming to the emergency rooms in the first place....they all SELF DEPORTED thensselves ...and their spawn.
Yes, it has to start with controlling the borders.
I hear ya, though. Time to toss folks out.
More shocking is the number of FReepers who just don't get it, or are in denial after having been seduced by the Pied Piper of politics in the debates. Newt is just an illusion, people. I know it hurts, but now PLEASE take a close look at his horrific record - whether in 1979, as one of only 29 Republicans (mostly N.E. RINOs) to vote for Jimmy Carter's Department of Education, or in 2007, when he agreed with John Kerry that the Federal gov't needed to "urgently" take action to stop global warming, on which Newt said "the evidence is sufficient" that man is the cause.
There should never be nay compromise about about controlling and closing our border. It is a national security issue.
I think good people can have different opinions about how to handle the ones here; assuming we have closed the border.
Shut down freebies and stop employment for illegals. A large number will deport themselves when the jobs and handouts go away. That will significantly reduce the size of the problem.
Then deport those who seek emergency medical treatment (after they have been treated).
Then deport anyone who comes in contact with law enforcement for any reason.
That will cause another large self-exodus. Not many will want to live here when they can't generate income or get handouts and free (to them) services. It won't eliminate the problem but will bring it to managable size.
By the way, have you noticed that seven or eight years ago, back when George Bush was pushing Shamnesty, we were told by the federal government and the media that there were 12 million illegals here with about 1/2 to 1 million more entering each year.
Yet, over the last year or so we have still been told there are only 12 million illegals here.
Now some say the number is down to 11 million.
If we just wait long enough the federal government will report they are all gone and the problem will cease to exist.
Sadly you have told an untruth about Perry.
PLEASE watch this video of Cavuto and Perry from 2010.
Listen to the TRUTH.
Well obvious there isn't a willingness to enforce laws which are so complicated and full of burocricy that attorneys use every loop hole around them so they're tied up in ocurts for years.....that's why Newt did say the first order is to secure the border.
Newt...."I think youve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border,....I do believe if youve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you...... I do believe we should control the border.... ...I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers.
The lengths to which his new FR supporters will go to explain away his RINO record and to give him a pass on just about everything is astounding.
Here is the process for deportation. http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportation/Deportation-and-Removal-Process.html Multiply by 12 mil.
Hey leave Tony Romo out of this!
He’s my QB!
Why do we always get so much drama from you amnesty lovers? With you the choice can only be between deportation or amnesty because you want the amnesty. Any honest person knows there are more things we can do to make certain our immigration laws are obeyed and American citizens are protected. Self deportation as a method works so much better. Making life here so onerous for illegals that they voluntarily go back home is the way to go. That method has been used effectively in the past so we have a model to work from.
And the only reason there would be any problem with this is opposition from pandering amnesty lovers, illegals and the slimy, traitorous business owners who feed off of them.
When Mitt Romney is to the right of your “Conservative” candidate on a major issue like immigration, you have a problem.
Say what ???????
Romney has never been right of anyone on so called “immigration”
Hes been lovin on the illegal aliens all along...
When hes not knowingly hiring them and then lying about it..
hes wanting to give them AMNESTY...
“We cant sent them all back”
“We’ve got to find a path to citizenship”
and his ignorance on the subject...
Last night he wanted to start giving LGAL IMMIGRANTS some kind of “card they can take to an employer so they can be hired”
HEY !!! Willie Mitty !!!
You’re late to the dance again as usual...
Thats already been done ...years ago..
It used to be called a green card because it was green..
I think its blue now...
Anyhoo its proper name is Alien Registration Card...
The number on this card is placed at the top right hand corner of the citizenship document when the IMMIGRANT becomes a US citizen...
and its not just “given” to an immigrant...
the immigrant doesnt apply for it AFTER they arrive in the US...
all the paperwork and requirements to use one is done in the immigrants home country...
BEFORE they ever leave home to come here...
Its automatic after they have been here 90 days..
They may not work UNTIL they recieve it...
Romney is so stuck on the illegal aliens and getting them AMNESTY and the DREAM Act...
he seems to have never studied what is involved with the processing of the REAL immigrants ...
This morning he needs to slap which ever handler gave him that “great idea” to mention during the debate..
You know that if an illegal shows up at a hospital, ICE can’t just drive him to the airport and put him on a plane to oaxaca, right? Here’s the process - http://immigration.lawyers.com/deportation/Deportation-and-Removal-Process.html Multiply by 12 mil.