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Perry finds his debate comfort zone with get-tough stance on border issues
The Houston Chronicle ^ | November 22, 2011 | Stewart Powell

Posted on 11/23/2011 9:21:00 AM PST by casinva

WASHINGTON — Texas Gov. Rick Perry vowed to completely secure the U.S.-Mexican border within 12 months of being inaugurated president during a GOP presidential debate Tuesday that showcased the emergence of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich as the go-to alternative to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

In a debate focused on national security, Perry was quickest to the count on border issues, saying he would complete “strategic fencing” along the 1,969-mile U.S.-Mexican border, add “boots on the ground” and aviation assets such as Predator surveillance aircraft to intercept potential Iranian-backed terrorists crossing into the United States from Mexico as well as to stem the northbound flow of undocumented immigrants and illegal drugs.

The three-term Texas governor, clearly comfortable on the topic during his eighth nationally televised debate, said he would work with Mexico to achieve a new level of security and would consider sanctions against Mexican banks that handle the illicit proceeds of multibillion dollar drug cartels.

“All of those together can make that country (Mexico) substantially more secure and our border secure,” Perry declared. “As president of the United States, I’ll promise you one thing – that within 12 months that border will be shut down and it will be secure.”

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Perry and Bachmann also briefly dueled over continuing U.S. aid to Pakistan, an Islamic nation of 150 million people with a stockpile of nuclear weapons. Perry reiterated his pledge to zero out annual foreign aid to all countries including Pakistan.

“They’ve showed us time after time that they can’t be trusted,” said Perry, in an elliptical reference to Pakistani authorities knowingly or unknowingly providing haven to bin Laden. “Until Pakistan clearly shows that they have America’s best interests in mind, I would not send them one penny.”

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Texas Governor Rick Perry displays his extensive border experience as well as his understanding of other foreign affairs and security issues at the CNN - Heritage Foundation - AEI debate on November 22 in Washington D.C.
1 posted on 11/23/2011 9:21:01 AM PST by casinva
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To: casinva; shield

Ping please.


2 posted on 11/23/2011 9:21:37 AM PST by casinva
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To: casinva
See, you have more than proved your only concern is amnesty. Thanks.
3 posted on 11/23/2011 9:24:49 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: casinva

“All of those together can make that country (Mexico) substantially more secure and our border secure”

Mexico more secure? That’s not our problem, or friggin job.

Pick a lane, Perry.


4 posted on 11/23/2011 9:25:08 AM PST by This Just In
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
Perry Ping....

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Per SD
This is just how Rick Perry is. After Hurricane Ike devastated my community, he came here to survey the damage. He did not just walk through here surrounded by security and news cameras and then make a speech. That's not Perry. He showed up in jeans and a work shirt, no cameras, no press conference, and he walked among all of us who had been hit. A hug, a pat on the shoulder, a listening ear, and an encouraging word. He saw to it that emergency shelters were being set up and food and water were available to everyone. When Obama/FEMA refused to help us, Governor Perry set up state funding to help us rebuild our homes and our lives. My home is at 'ground zero' where Ike came ashore. We all took tremendous damage. FEMA sent me a check two months later for $600 dollars. Governor Perry set up the Recovery Fund to help us all rebuild. That is what a true leader and a true Christian does. That's my Governor! I can't wait to see America under the caring wing of Rick Perry.


5 posted on 11/23/2011 9:25:09 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: shield

I think he’s gonna be OK...Iowa actually won’t decide anything...you’ll have 4-5 viable candidates after. NH won’t be good for Mitt..he won’t get a majority..and SC will show if Perry has a chance...I think he does..


6 posted on 11/23/2011 9:27:47 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: org.whodat

Don’t you wonder why people put more credence in what a politician says when seeking votes than what they did when in office?


7 posted on 11/23/2011 9:32:36 AM PST by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: This Just In

If two neighboring countries can work in conjunction to secure the adjoining border area which would help keep criminals and drug cartels from spilling over into the southern parts of The United States, that is nothing but a win for America.


8 posted on 11/23/2011 9:36:04 AM PST by casinva
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To: This Just In
Yes, it is our problem. And Thank the Lord for Governor Perry...that IS an INTERNATIONAL BORDER remember. We Texans have spent 400 million dollars to secure the Tx/Mx Border whether you are willing to recognize it or not...it has helped make other states more secure.

It is the Feds responsibility first and foremost. So why is it the Fed loves the influx of illegals? IF I were to make a guess, it is to make America like all of the third world countries, whose people are easily controlled.

9 posted on 11/23/2011 9:36:20 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: org.whodat; casinva
See, you have more than proved your only concern is amnesty. Thanks

What a stupid thing to post. Do you do that on purpose or can you not help yourself?

10 posted on 11/23/2011 9:38:54 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: ken5050

The Perry blitz has begun. Even those part of his campaign in different states and especially Florida understand what he has done on purpose and what he is starting to do now.


11 posted on 11/23/2011 9:39:34 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: ken5050
I think he’s gonna be OK...Iowa actually won’t decide anything...you’ll have 4-5 viable candidates after. NH won’t be good for Mitt..he won’t get a majority..and SC will show if Perry has a chance...I think he does..

Agreed. IA and NH don't really matter as long as Perry's in the mix. SC is very important though...but I think he'll do well there.

12 posted on 11/23/2011 9:40:28 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: This Just In
Mexico more secure? That’s not our problem, or friggin job.

It IS our problem. Mexico is teetering right now. Why do think so many Mexicans come here? Because of all the hugs and kisses? If Mexico fails that border will be completely over run. A stable and prosperous Mexico is definately in our best interest.

13 posted on 11/23/2011 9:43:40 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: shield

“....it has helped make other states more secure.”

And how many illegals are living in Texas, let alone those who traveled over your borders and into other states?

Perry’s been your governor for how long, and now he really wants to erect a fence and secure the border? One would think that with a history of these problems and the thread to our national security, he would have earnestly tackled the border issue years ago, or am I being “heartless”?

If you failed to read our Constitution, or the Founding Fathers writings, here’s a little refresher: We protect and secure our borders. International border?


14 posted on 11/23/2011 9:44:35 AM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In
Governor Rick Perry never called you heartless...you might need to go back and check your facts a bit closer.

Newt is for amnesty and in June 2011 Debate Newt Gingrich called Americans Heartless for wanting to deport 20 million illegals.

"GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly."
June 2011 Debate Transcript

15 posted on 11/23/2011 9:48:38 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: pgkdan

You are correct, but what do we do about it. Mexico is now, IMO, as much a failed state as Pakistan. There is NO rule of law..the government has all but forfeited conrol over nearly half the country. The drug cartels are para-military operations...they have to be destroyed, eradicated..actualy killed off..are WE going to do that? NOI..so instead..we seal the border..we quarantine the country..


16 posted on 11/23/2011 9:50:15 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: pgkdan

“A stable and prosperous Mexico is definately in our best interest.”

Mexico is not our problem. Read the Constitution and the writings of our Founding Father’s. If Mexico fails? NEWS FLASH: Mexico has failed. TOP STORY: Mexico’s corrupt, hence the failure.

The only way in which Mexico can dream of becoming a stable country is to overhaul the entire governing system, including law enforcement. That’s their problem, not ours. If you Perry boys wish to bring “Hope and Change” to Mexico, do it on your own dime.


17 posted on 11/23/2011 9:51:06 AM PST by This Just In
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To: casinva

Newt is looking awful on illegal immigration....he gave the standard inside the Beltway BS on illegals. Washington DC loves illegal aliens where they do all kinds of low pay work for the DC gangsters who are sucking this country dry

DC people laugh when the outlying peasantry gets angry about open borders. It’s all a big joke to DC people where life is always good with no recessions ever. DC pukes love all the “exciting” ethnic restaurants that illegal immigration brings us

Perry is now a xenophobe compared to cute Newt...too cute by half.


18 posted on 11/23/2011 9:52:28 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: pgkdan
Do I go around attacking you personal, no, I do not. Now knock off the BS. The poster was and is supporting whomever supports amnesty. I have no doubt from the wording he is the one that called rush with the same junk.
19 posted on 11/23/2011 9:52:49 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: This Just In

good points.


20 posted on 11/23/2011 9:53:53 AM PST by ken21
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To: This Just In

And Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Germany, Bosnia,
South Korea ARE?

OUR troops need to be on OUR border.

MX is fighting the Cartels, that is driving them NORTH, not to mention the people making a run for the border to get out of the line of fire.

SHEESH

MEXICO IS OUR PROBLEM.

And MAYBE it’s time for AMERICAN DRUGGIES to be ostracized for endangering National Security. But hey REHAB is BIG BUSINESS.


21 posted on 11/23/2011 9:54:34 AM PST by marty60
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To: shield

Think “illegal immigration and student tuition”. It’s a play on words.


22 posted on 11/23/2011 9:58:00 AM PST by This Just In
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To: casinva

Gov. Perry was in good form last night. He displayed a calm confidence that is a hallmark of effective leadership.

He’s hitting his stride and he’ll be a major factor from here on out, IMO. Gig ‘Em Rick!!!


23 posted on 11/23/2011 10:00:52 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: marty60

Stop eating the red herring, marty.

Two different fruits.

I had no idea we were reorganizing and revamping the Afghani, Iragi, Egyptian, Libyan, German, Bosnian, and S. Korean government’s. Imagine that.


24 posted on 11/23/2011 10:02:11 AM PST by This Just In
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To: This Just In
When are you going to get real? Instead of dreaming up nonsense.
Texas Dream Act

25 posted on 11/23/2011 10:03:28 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: This Just In; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Condor51; South40; indylindy; rintense
PERRY PONTIFICATES ON HIS BORDER POSITION: “Boots on the groud, air reconaissance.......can make that country (Mexico) substantially more secure and our border secure.....”

The US? Make Mexico more secure? That’s not our problem, or our friggin job. Pick a lane, Perry.

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It's way past time for vote-crazed politicans like Perry to come clean and acknowledge what we all know-----illegals violate our borders for one reason----to pocket all the US benefits they can get their greedy hands on, and to become a "voting bloc" to pressure pols for foreign aid and other give aways to their homelands.

Perry has NEVER questioned their loyalties........and the threat this poses to US ntl security.

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WHAT IS THE MERIDA INITIATIVE? Another tax-financed flop.

The US Congress gave Mexico millions of dollars to "help fight the war on drugs."

26 posted on 11/23/2011 10:03:59 AM PST by Liz
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To: casinva

“If two neighboring countries can work in conjunction...”

The key word here is “If”. “If” can only happen when two governments are first capable of working other. Mexico’s entire infrastructure is corrupt. It’s flawed. You can’t work with a flawed and corrupt system, casinva. It doesn’t work.


27 posted on 11/23/2011 10:07:31 AM PST by This Just In
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To: org.whodat; pgkdan

org.whodat,

Either you are a lunatic or didn’t even look to see who “the poster” was if you EVER thought I have supported or even WOULD support amnesty. I have NEVER, NEVER EVER written about amnesty nor have I ever supported amnesty, nor have I ever supported anyone who supports amnesty. I am for border security. I am for border protection. I am for homeland security. I am for proper and legal immigration procedures.

Quite frankly, I started laughing when I saw what you posted. It really did look pretty brainless on you personally, and the more we get to see your ignorant behavior, the more we all know just HOW ignorant you are.


28 posted on 11/23/2011 10:07:31 AM PST by casinva
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To: casinva
Oh, come on you support amnesty, we know it don't be bashful. Nothing to be ashamed of, we are adults here.
29 posted on 11/23/2011 10:10:11 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: This Just In
If you failed to read our Constitution, or the Founding Fathers writings, here’s a little refresher: We protect and secure our borders. International border?

Well perhaps there is a moron in the room that doesn't realize the Constitution lists that as the federal government's job.

"What?", you say... You didn't know that? Well then, what more can I say?

30 posted on 11/23/2011 10:13:51 AM PST by casinva
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To: All

Don’t forget how much more dangerous our current administration made our borders with their Gun running/ fast and furious horror!

Those of us living in TX are in a lot more danger from the drug cartels now. Since the present administration actually armed a lot of these goons, we are certainly living in a very dangerous world these days.

And no—regardless of what you may have heard, GWB did not “do the same thing”.

I never leave my house unarmed. today.................


31 posted on 11/23/2011 10:13:59 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: shield

Hey, what a concept. Offer criminals and lawbreakers an education at a great rate. What a concept! But wait!, there’s more. Not only will your illegal be able to pursue a higher education, but they’ll be able to worm their way into becoming LEGAL citizens as well.

America. The gift that keeps on giving....at tax payer expense


32 posted on 11/23/2011 10:15:04 AM PST by This Just In
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To: shield; This Just In

Governor Rick Perry never called you heartless.
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Did too

Called me heartless also...

Hes a mean one...


33 posted on 11/23/2011 10:23:04 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: smoothsailing

Last night’s debate showed Perry not only has the facts but that he also has a very sensible understanding of what to do with those facts. He was able to provide light on what to do and why, and he articulated ways to mobilize our country so that our protection would be first and foremost considered. Some wimpier people may not be comfortable that Perry IS focusing on America’s best interest as he is to the extent that he is not pandering to other countries, but the last strong leader I saw with that kind of commitment to being strong and sticking with principles was Ronald Reagan, and he served us quite well in that capacity.


34 posted on 11/23/2011 10:23:22 AM PST by casinva
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To: org.whodat; casinva

Hey org, you think Perry called you heartless. Well, maybe you are, I don’t know.

I do know this, you’re definitely thoughtless, often clueless, and mostly mindless.


35 posted on 11/23/2011 10:26:11 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: org.whodat

Already responded.


36 posted on 11/23/2011 10:26:32 AM PST by casinva
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To: Tennessee Nana
Hes a mean one...

Well you know what they say...

Takes one to know one!

37 posted on 11/23/2011 10:29:07 AM PST by casinva
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To: Tennessee Nana
Back up your statement!!! Post back to me a verifiable, credible source. I know you can't because Governor Perry NEVER called you heartless. Now Newt did but not Perry.
38 posted on 11/23/2011 10:32:35 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: casinva

Our borders, not Mexico’s security, Albert.


39 posted on 11/23/2011 10:44:44 AM PST by This Just In
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To: dennisw; org.whodat; This Just In; Condor51; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; South40; rintense; ...
GREAT TAKE--DESERVES A REPEAT: Newt is looking awful on illegal immigration....he gave the standard inside the Beltway BS on illegals at the debate. Washington DC loves illegals b/c they work for low pay for the DC govt gangsters who are sucking this country dry.

DC insiders laugh when we peasants b***tch about open borders. It’s all a big joke.... for DC people, life is always good with no recessions ever, where insider trading and earmarks makes them all rich.

Perry now looks like a xenophobe next to Speaker Newt....

40 posted on 11/23/2011 10:46:21 AM PST by Liz
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To: Tennessee Nana

You know, when people overreact to something someone says maybe it just struck a nerve. Or since you post a lot about your faith, it was what is called conviction. Just sayin’


41 posted on 11/23/2011 10:46:32 AM PST by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: ken5050

I think he has a good chance also. Newt is my second choice but the “shoot ‘em on sight” illegal alien crowd may cool on him because of his amnesty stand in the debate last night. I hope they don’t but if they do, I hope his support filters down to Perry.

Perry is much warmer and more personable than Newt or Romney.

Maybe the Cain crowd thinks Cain has that vibe going but not with me. He’s my second to last choice after Ron Paul.


42 posted on 11/23/2011 10:50:16 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: This Just In

Not heartless. Brainless maybe. It’s up to the federal government to secure the border. Rick has tried with the resources he has with no help from the Bumster.

The feds are fighting tooth and nail about doing anything about illegal immigration. I don’t think they want to stop it. Perry does.


43 posted on 11/23/2011 10:52:56 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: shield

You’re reverting to the Clinton defense by playing word games. Perry never called me specifically “heartless” to my face, but his statement makes it clear that he considered anyone to disagree with his position to not have a heart.

Here’s Perry’s quote, “If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for other reason than they’ve been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart.”


44 posted on 11/23/2011 10:56:02 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: casinva

You should really call abuse on that org.who guy. He’s lying about you and abusing you personally.

He’s disrupted, or tried to disrupt, every thread you’ve ever put up. He’s a nuisance.


45 posted on 11/23/2011 10:56:23 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Turtlepower

If you want to clutch your hurt feelings to your bosom after he’s explained and apologized countless times, go for it.

But it’s a small thing to let one word stop you from considering the best person running.


46 posted on 11/23/2011 10:58:48 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura

You must pardon me for my skepticism, but Perry has had more than ample time to tackle the immigration problem regardless. Furthermore, offering lawbreakers an education at residence tuition rates, and an opportunity to become U.S. citizens at the same time is hardly fighting the illegal alien crisis.


47 posted on 11/23/2011 11:01:47 AM PST by This Just In
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To: altura

Thanks altura. I agree that org.whatever-it-is guy is a real nuisance, but know that he disrupts every thread he gets on, not just mine. I know it can be frustrating to the good people here to have to deal with that all the time though. Please know I empathize with you and with the many others that have had to put up with that stuff all the time from him.

I’m also sure people know he’s lying about me. I have posted enough here that everyone would know I have never ever supported amnesty in any form or fashion. That’s just ludicrous, and those kinds of posts are seen for what they are, poor attempts at covert types of activities.

As for personal abuse, I didn’t take it as abuse since I took it as just “stupid”. It would be kind of like getting mad at a pig for peeing on your living room carpet. What could you expect from a situation like that anyway?


48 posted on 11/23/2011 11:11:24 AM PST by casinva
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To: Turtlepower
Actually, it is you that seems to being playing word games. Perry never said heartless but in fact, Newt called YOU heartless. IF you really want to get technical Cain called ME insensitive. IF he called me that he called you that...where is the outrage with that statement? There appears to me none. And why is that? It is due to using anything you could possibly find against Rick Perry.

Newt is for amnesty and in June 2011 Debate Newt Gingrich called Americans Heartless for wanting to deport 20 million illegals.

"GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly."
June 2011 Debate Transcript

This proves to most of us the heartless comment was actually never the issue.

49 posted on 11/23/2011 11:12:55 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: This Just In

Oh.......

So glad you had made that so clear in your comment then, Mr. Cain.


50 posted on 11/23/2011 11:15:23 AM PST by casinva
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