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Perry finds his debate comfort zone with get-tough stance on border issues
The Houston Chronicle ^ | November 22, 2011 | Stewart Powell

Posted on 11/23/2011 9:21:00 AM PST by casinva

WASHINGTON — Texas Gov. Rick Perry vowed to completely secure the U.S.-Mexican border within 12 months of being inaugurated president during a GOP presidential debate Tuesday that showcased the emergence of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich as the go-to alternative to former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

In a debate focused on national security, Perry was quickest to the count on border issues, saying he would complete “strategic fencing” along the 1,969-mile U.S.-Mexican border, add “boots on the ground” and aviation assets such as Predator surveillance aircraft to intercept potential Iranian-backed terrorists crossing into the United States from Mexico as well as to stem the northbound flow of undocumented immigrants and illegal drugs.

The three-term Texas governor, clearly comfortable on the topic during his eighth nationally televised debate, said he would work with Mexico to achieve a new level of security and would consider sanctions against Mexican banks that handle the illicit proceeds of multibillion dollar drug cartels.

“All of those together can make that country (Mexico) substantially more secure and our border secure,” Perry declared. “As president of the United States, I’ll promise you one thing – that within 12 months that border will be shut down and it will be secure.”

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Perry and Bachmann also briefly dueled over continuing U.S. aid to Pakistan, an Islamic nation of 150 million people with a stockpile of nuclear weapons. Perry reiterated his pledge to zero out annual foreign aid to all countries including Pakistan.

“They’ve showed us time after time that they can’t be trusted,” said Perry, in an elliptical reference to Pakistani authorities knowingly or unknowingly providing haven to bin Laden. “Until Pakistan clearly shows that they have America’s best interests in mind, I would not send them one penny.”

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: borderpatrol; bordersecurity; perryastroturfing; rickperry
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To: altura
SC will be crucial...I think it comes down to Perry and Cain in the state, and if Cain continues to slip..Perry can come out well positioned.

I think that Newt's support is overstated by the fact that EVERYONE wants to see him debate Obama...but not that many want him as their nominee..

51 posted on 11/23/2011 11:21:37 AM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: shield

How am I playing word games?!!

I provided the quote from Perry. He said “...I don’t think you have a heart.” How can you say “...don’t think you have a heart” isn’t essentially the same as “heartless”?

Take your homer blinders off and quit trying to dismiss Perry’s comment. He paid the price for it and rightfully so. Whether Newt pays the price for his comment remains to be seen. Again; I’m not commenting on Newt’s statement. I don’t care about Cain’s or Newt’s comments. I wasn’t commenting on them or trying to dismiss them. I was calling you out for your misleading statement about Perry.


52 posted on 11/23/2011 11:33:55 AM PST by Turtlepower
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To: shield

“If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they have been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart,” Perry said.

That is Perry calling me heartless, or having no heart if you prefer.


53 posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:05 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: ken5050

If Cain continues to slip... If Perry can stop slipping...

These are pretty big “Ifs”.


54 posted on 11/23/2011 11:51:25 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: This Just In

The war in Mexico is a civil war. It has been for quite a while now and everyone in Texas knows that. The Mexican government can’t handle the problem and to keep it from spilling over into the US, we will almost certainly need to send troops into Mexico with or without the good wishes of the Mexican government.

If, or more likely, when we do, we would be well advised to teach the cartels the meaning of “World Class Military Power” and smash them fast and hard. Perry understands this, his people are on the front lines.

We just had a Zeta operation in north Houston last night. It is now time to begin to assess the military options and begin putting assets in place. Again, Perry gets this.

Every one of the other candidates are spouting nothing more than slogans and sound bites. Perry is having to live with it and manage it, in the absence of the federal government, as best he can.

I support Perry and I think he would make a terrific President. He is very familiar with the problem with the border and I feel he can be trusted to shut down the illegal immigration in the twelve months that he stated.

He also understands that the key to a growing economy is cheap energy. In other words, drilling. Lots of it.


55 posted on 11/23/2011 11:56:14 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: casinva

Oh, you’re taking the high road which is wise.

I just get really tired of his constant know-nothing posts which are only meant to annoy and disrupt. I wish we had a way to just block his posts. I ignore him and never respond to him but just seeing his name is annoying.


56 posted on 11/23/2011 12:18:41 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: buffaloguy

I think Perry would be the most pro-active and passionate on the energy issue which is huge for the U.S.


57 posted on 11/23/2011 12:21:21 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Ingtar
Agree...Perry has a tough road ahead..he's stopped the bleeding..and is finding his footing..and starting to rebound in the polls..he's workign hard, and he has the $$$ to spend.

Cain..it's like he's coasting...his numbers have dropped..along with some intensity...we have to see if he can regain the mojo...He didn't impress me much last night..too much lecturing in his tone..he wasn't passionate...maybe trying too hard to avoid slipping up..

58 posted on 11/23/2011 12:25:44 PM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: This Just In; casinva

A secure Mexico — Mexican government — is in our best interests. Securing the border will help make Mexico more secure, too. A more secure Mexico means that the Mexican government will be better able to work with us to stop terrorists from entering our country. Make no mistake, the Mexican government is a prime target for terrorists. Gov. Perry knows all of this firsthand. We must secure Mexico, otherwise we could have a terrorist haven next door.


59 posted on 11/23/2011 12:27:19 PM PST by Quicksilver (nominate Rick Perry - defeat Obama - overhaul Washington!)
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To: This Just In

I don’t mind your being skeptical but please be logical.

Texas has had to deal with years of the border being basically ignored by the feds. He’s had to deal with the consequences of that.

Do you blame California for the illegals entering there?
Do you blame Arizona and New Mexico?

Perry has made heroic efforts with the limitations placed on him by Obama (who hates Perry, by the way).

He has a plan to close the border and I believe he will do it. But he can’t do it as governor, it’s a federal problem.

As far as harping on the tuition issue c’mon.

Do you think some Mexican is saying to the wife, ‘let’s cross the border into Texas. I can do yard work for 20 years and you can be a maid and when we have kids maybe one or two of them will get TO PAY FOR A COLLEGE EDUCATION at instate rates.’ That’s just a silly argument.


60 posted on 11/23/2011 12:27:45 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Ingtar

Sorry, but a whole lot of Cain supporters after the debate last night says Cain is done.


61 posted on 11/23/2011 12:36:51 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: ken5050

In the last month, Cain is down 30% (from 26 to 18.2% in RCP). Perry is down 38% (12.5 to 7.7%) in the same period. Perry has not stopped the bleeding that I have seen, though he did get a small bounce for a bit before dropping more. Cain can probably not afford to slip much further, but he still has the easier path to the nomination at this point.


62 posted on 11/23/2011 12:37:48 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: ken5050

Remember Perry came into the race in mid August while the others have been in much longer. Perry likes being the underdog.


63 posted on 11/23/2011 12:41:04 PM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Ingtar

I don’t there’s anything Cain can say or do at this point to regain the lead because the nice grampa who’ll take care of us all thing has worn off and the lack of substance has been revealed.

I don’t know if Perry can regain the momentum or not, but I know he’ll try and I know he has the money and organization and good credentials to do it with.


64 posted on 11/23/2011 12:41:37 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: altura; This Just In
Do you think some Mexican is saying to the wife, ‘let’s cross the border into Texas. I can do yard work for 20 years and you can be a maid and when we have kids maybe one or two of them will get TO PAY FOR A COLLEGE EDUCATION at instate rates.’

Aw, come on Altura, you're taking all the fun out of it. :)

65 posted on 11/23/2011 12:42:34 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: altura

Cheap energy is going to become a huge issue and it is critical that we drill everywhere we can in order to keep a healthy economy.

Throughout most of my adult life energy has been too expensive due to taxes as well as insane over-regulation. Had we drilled when we needed to, without interference form militant environmentalists and Democrats my standard of living as well as everyone else’s in this country would be 20% to 30% higher than it is.

The Boomer generation allowed the above miscreants to scr3w us over badly. I hope genx, geny and milleniums will be wiser than to buy into the pseudo-science carp that has been the rule for the last 40 years or so.


66 posted on 11/23/2011 12:54:13 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: smoothsailing

Yet not postless :(


67 posted on 11/23/2011 12:58:28 PM PST by txhurl
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To: txhurl

LOL! We can only hope! :)


68 posted on 11/23/2011 1:10:56 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: buffaloguy

“It has been for quite a while now and everyone in Texas knows that. The Mexican government can’t handle the problem and to keep it from spilling over into the US, we will almost certainly need to send troops into Mexico with or without the good wishes of the Mexican government.”

Bovine scat. Our Constitution is quite clear about this problem. We protect our borders. The Mexican government “can’t handle the problem” because they are the problem. They’re corrupt. Until the citizens are serious about their corrupt officials they’ll continue to live in fear, abuse, and poverty.


69 posted on 11/23/2011 9:02:02 PM PST by This Just In
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To: altura

“...TO PAY FOR A COLLEGE EDUCATION at instate rates.’ That’s just a silly argument.”

And you’re asking me to be logical? Pot, meet kettle.

You’ve missed the glaring problem, but I won’t bother explaining it. As a matter of fact, your comments are really not worth any more of my attention.


70 posted on 11/23/2011 9:07:18 PM PST by This Just In
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To: org.whodat; casinva
Oh, come on you support amnesty, we know it don't be bashful. Nothing to be ashamed of, we are adults here.

Your passive-aggressive posts reflect the same interactive style as Mitt Romney. I've decided that you are a Romney supporter. We're all adults here. Nothing for you to be ashamed of. Why hide your advocacy of an establishment moderate with constant attacks on Rick Perry? Tell us why you support Mitt. Mitt's MO is to hide the truth (though it's not so hidden, is it?).

Break out of the Romney mold and speak your mind freely. Do you support him for his past positions, current positions, a blend of his positions, his looks, his religion, the MSM position that he is inevitable, tradition that he is next in line -- a blend of all the above?

The one good thing about your consistent history of slamming and spinning is that you recognize Rick Perry is the real threat to Romney's weak hold on the nomination. You know that Gov. Perry will do what he says - that he is an honest, principled man.

71 posted on 11/24/2011 3:25:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: altura

Bump!

Great truths.


72 posted on 11/24/2011 3:32:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That is true, his visa program and newts amnesty are one and the same, actually, mitt has the same point of view, I believe they should start showering together.
73 posted on 11/24/2011 4:03:04 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: shield
And a dry mouth perrywinkle like your self should know, LOL, those long falls makes one thirsty.
74 posted on 11/24/2011 4:05:36 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Ingtar
That is Perry calling me heartless, or having no heart if you prefer

That sounds like something you'd expect to hear on a first grade playground.

Grow up!

75 posted on 11/24/2011 4:16:58 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Oh, he’s a Cain supporter who doesn’t have a clue that his idiocy and hate do not attract people to his candidate.

In fact, anyone who might think of being a Cain supporter would be repelled by him.


76 posted on 11/24/2011 6:45:50 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: lonestar

Yes. Perry should grow up and admit his mistake rather than calling names when the majority of the conservatives disagrees with him.


77 posted on 11/24/2011 10:24:43 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: Ingtar

You people who are so concerned with your “feelings” are no different than liberals!


78 posted on 11/24/2011 10:26:00 AM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

No, I’m concerned with his lack of logic and his worry about feelings. He is the one using emotional labels.


79 posted on 11/24/2011 10:28:12 AM PST by Ingtar
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To: Ingtar
You obviously are not aware that Perry is one of the nicest people around, according to the people who know him well!...you prefer to judge him by one hoof in mouth statement.

You keep on being influenced by the lies and intentional nisrepresentations of him on FR and you might be cutting off your own nose to spite your own face!

80 posted on 11/24/2011 2:01:28 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar; Ingtar
You keep on being influenced by the lies and intentional nisrepresentations of him on FR and you might be cutting off your own nose to spite your own face!

Is that a threat? Some sort of inside information? Should we get Jim involved?

You make me sick.

81 posted on 11/24/2011 4:17:32 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: org.whodat

Does Mitt Romney pay you to be on here?


82 posted on 11/25/2011 11:13:33 AM PST by Katarina (Rick Perry the Best man for President ! NEVER Romney! And no thank you to any of the others.)
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To: Katarina
Truth is anyone that is dumb enough to support Perry deserves to be paid. Send him a bill.
83 posted on 11/25/2011 11:37:21 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: dennisw

Yup, I was a Newt guy but he lost me on illegal immigration, now I don’t have anyone to vote for, AGAIN.


84 posted on 11/25/2011 11:43:25 AM PST by jpsb
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