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POLL: Where do you stand on illegal immigration?
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Posted on 11/23/2011 9:41:04 AM PST by stompk

POLL: Where do you stand on illegal immigration?

Should illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for many years be allowed a pathway to live in the United States legally?

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74.7% Yes 12,969 votes

25.3% No 4,388 votes

1 posted on 11/23/2011 9:41:06 AM PST by stompk
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To: stompk

Yes.

All they have to do is go home and apply from there to come in legally, at the end of the line BTW.


2 posted on 11/23/2011 9:44:14 AM PST by umgud
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To: stompk

Wow when you have to go to Uber Leftist website like MNBC to find online polling data to validate your “Conservative” candidate’s position, your campaign is in serious trouble.


3 posted on 11/23/2011 9:44:53 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: stompk

Bumped and FReeped


4 posted on 11/23/2011 9:44:55 AM PST by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: stompk

Bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus.


5 posted on 11/23/2011 9:45:09 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: stompk
Should illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for many years be allowed a pathway to live in the United States legally?

Yes, as long as the pathway starts in their home country. Since that was not an option, I voted no.

6 posted on 11/23/2011 9:45:23 AM PST by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: stompk

Bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus.


7 posted on 11/23/2011 9:45:51 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: stompk
They already have a pathway to live in the United States legally. It is called an application.

I understand there is a large backlog of applications for legal immigration, but maybe they could be processed a little faster if illegals didn't demand and get preferential treatment.

8 posted on 11/23/2011 9:46:56 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MNJohnnie
Wow when you have to go to Uber Leftist website like MNBC to find online polling data to validate your “Conservative” candidate’s position, your campaign is in serious trouble.

That's Cain's position too. No matter what you say.

9 posted on 11/23/2011 9:48:00 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: stompk
Should illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for many years be allowed a pathway to live in the United States legally?

First build a fence, get US borders under control and then we can talk about what to do with the illegal aliens already here.
10 posted on 11/23/2011 9:50:08 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: stompk
Oh, so if you manage to break the law for a long time without getting caught, then you get to be rewarded?
11 posted on 11/23/2011 9:51:32 AM PST by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: pgkdan
Yes I know, really cruel of me to force you Newt Cultists to stay with arms length of reality.

I see you have moved on to tactic #4. When all else fails, lie in order to divert attention off your Cult Father's Newt's gaffe.

12 posted on 11/23/2011 9:52:19 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: umgud

Folks should learn the details of Newt’s plan and then contrast that with lack of realism in their own approach.


13 posted on 11/23/2011 9:52:59 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: stompk
If they're here for that many years, they are de facto legal residents.

No citizenship for any illegals ever!!

No right to vote!

I can support that.

14 posted on 11/23/2011 9:53:25 AM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: stompk

Define “many”.

Is it 25? What about someone who’s been here 22 years? Do they have to go home, or do they get to stay?

What about seventeen?

Ten? What about a guy who claims to have been here for ten years “living in the shadows” and has no evidence?

What about a guy who’s been here eight years and his wife 5 years and they’ve got 4 kids, ages 12, 10, 6, and 3? Do they all get to stay?

Here’s the solution: Vigorous workplace enforcement and denial of welfare benefits to ANY illegal alien. Dry up the work and the benefits, and they’ll go home.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 9:54:04 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: umgud

That’s it go to the end of the line! Stop giving citizenship to anybody who happens to be here and has a child!


16 posted on 11/23/2011 9:55:20 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: stompk

We already have a pathway to citizenship. It doesn’t involve sneaking across borders.


17 posted on 11/23/2011 9:58:28 AM PST by goldi (')
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To: G Larry
Folks should learn the details of Newt’s plan and then contrast that with lack of realism in their own approach.

BTW, I didn't mention Newt, but regarding lack of realism, let me say we can get rid of most illegals simply by cutting off the magnet(s). This can be done without our having to become a police state or having to round up 12 million people.

18 posted on 11/23/2011 9:58:36 AM PST by umgud
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To: stompk

Let’s check the logic here.

I committed a crime (robbed a bank, stole a car, burglarized a home, ect), I’ve been on the run and have not been caught for ‘x’ years, nor have I made any restitution for the consequences of my actions.

- does my crime get forgiven?


19 posted on 11/23/2011 9:58:36 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: umgud
BTW, I didn't mention Newt, but regarding lack of realism, let me say we can get rid of most illegals simply by cutting off the magnet(s). This can be done without our having to become a police state or having to round up 12 million people.

I like the proposed bills that would revoke a company's tax licence after the second time they are caught hiring an illegal alien.

20 posted on 11/23/2011 10:00:11 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: umgud

Uh...the poll, which is the subject of this thread, resulted from an article questioning the effect of Newt’s plan, presented last night.

That’s why I click on links, to learn the basis for the question.


21 posted on 11/23/2011 10:01:26 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: PALIN SMITH
I can support something like you posted. No citizenship ever, but maybe something for the kids that had no say in coming here. Funny thing, it sounds a little like the plan the Democrat CongressCritter from Boulder Colorado proposed. I tried to get more information from his office, but they would not even talk to me. Probably what happened was the “leaders” in the Democrat part told him to sit down and shut up.
Kind of like my parents told me as a kid.
“Speak when you are spoken to, come when you are called.”
22 posted on 11/23/2011 10:04:13 AM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: stompk

No its a slap in the face to the REAL immigrants who did it the right way...

Should we forgive bank robbers and just let them keep the money since they only robbed a bank 25 years ago of $1 Million and havent had to since ???


23 posted on 11/23/2011 10:07:25 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: goldi

We already have a pathway to citizenship. It doesn’t involve sneaking across borders.
__________________________________________

well it was working fine when I arrived here in 1971...


24 posted on 11/23/2011 10:09:40 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: stompk

If you hire them they will come. Gingrich tells Americans to take a bath and look for a job. Companies make money on cheap labor wherever they find it. Up yours Newt.


25 posted on 11/23/2011 10:11:09 AM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: stompk

If they’ve broken the law, which they have, and have likely committed a FELONY by fraudulent use of a SS#, they should be barred from further entry to this country. I thought that’s what we did to non-citizen criminals?


26 posted on 11/23/2011 10:16:41 AM PST by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: stompk

THAT says a LOT.

It is irrational, inhumane and impossible to deport all those people who we have allowed to sneak in here years ago and have been good citizens or residents since then.

We should target RECENT arrivals, the COMPANIES who HIRE them (all those damn landscapers among MANY) and the BORDER.

ALSO go after the ASSETS of those nations like Mexico, who refuse to STOP the flow of their citizens into America and recoup our expenses for dealing with them from those assets.


27 posted on 11/23/2011 10:18:28 AM PST by ZULU (Anybody but Romney or Huntsman)
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To: stompk

Deport them all.


28 posted on 11/23/2011 10:22:10 AM PST by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: stompk
I can hear the protests right now:

There are far too many to deport to make this a feasible option.
(So deporting NONE is the alternative?)

Many children of illegal immigrants have only known the U.S. as their home all of their lives. It would be cruel to banish them into a strange, third-world environment.
(So we're the villains rather than the law-breaking parents. We get it.)

And the most ridiculous argument:
They only came here to work hard and contribute to jobs that Americans won't do.
Uh, they won't do them because they aren't AVAILABLE to Americans to do - haven't been for decades. Ever hear of the high unemployment rate we have right now?

29 posted on 11/23/2011 10:24:28 AM PST by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: stompk
Illegal immigrants are ((Not)) immigrants they are insurgents..

ALL insurgents should be deported.. or better.. Encouraged to Self-Deport...

With a WALL from San Diego to Brownsville they would worried about not being able to visit HOME..

A simple local housing law that all real estate and property managers must prove citizenship (to rent or sell) would start a stampede south.. and many of the chinese and indian insurgents would go as well..

I say that, in case some one thinks all insurgents are mexicans.. or latin americans..

30 posted on 11/23/2011 10:26:43 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: org.whodat
Bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus, bogus.

Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed.....

31 posted on 11/23/2011 10:28:00 AM PST by b4its2late (Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former.)
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To: stompk

Apply federal law on being in the US illegally. Better yet use the Mexican law. They’re always challenging US law so to shut them up use theirs. The US is the only country that harbors it’s illegals and allows them all the rights. No other country does that. If you’re in their country illegally after you’re released from jail or a compound you’re deported. No rights, no job, no welfare, nothing. You do that here and the illegals will leave voluntarily.


32 posted on 11/23/2011 10:34:14 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: stompk

As a legal immigrant myself, absolutely not. I did not immigrate to this magnificent country to put up with law breakers given amnesty. No amnesty to rapists, bank robbers, white collar crime and illegal immigrants, not now, not ever!

The statute of limitations should not apply to illegals, same as murderers.


33 posted on 11/23/2011 10:35:55 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: All

Self-deportation is the key...period.


34 posted on 11/23/2011 10:39:44 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: stompk
First and foremost, breaking into the United States of America should be a “felony crime” and not a civil infraction. This will put teeth behind the threat of enforcement of illegal immigration.

Next, build a primary fence the entire length of the US/Mexican border with secondary fences on both sides where border patrol and armed military personnel can continue to be actively engaged in patrolling and securing the border.

Third, through a process of attrition, the illegals who are already in the United States be given notice by every available public domain that they have exactly 90 days to return to their country of origin and begin the process for legal immigration. After 90 days when you are discovered, you will be arrested, processed, and fined the amount of money the illegal has taken from the tax payer's of the United States for whatever time you have been in the United States, including the amount of tax dollars it took to arrest them and process them in a court of law. The bill will also be given to the country of origin for an outstanding debt and until it is paid in full, the illegal immigrant in question will not be allowed to file an application or receive permission from the United States of America to become a citizen.

Finally, no tax dollars may be given, or made available to anyone who has entered the United States of America illegally, including, but, not limited to school, colleges, welfare programs, hospitals (once treated are arrested and the illegal immigrant and country of origin is billed for the cost), drivers license or state id's etc.

Enforce with all law enforcement assets available both state of federal to prevent any further violations of our immigration laws!

Problem solved!

35 posted on 11/23/2011 11:40:04 AM PST by paratrooper82 (We are kicking Ass in Afghanistan, soon we will be home to kick some more Asses in Congress!)
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To: stompk

Criminal illegals should be put on a prison ship and sent south, harboring off the shore of Honduras, Guatamala, Nicaragua, etc. and hire the locals to be guards on the prison ship.


36 posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:03 AM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: umgud

Cannot agree!

In order for our laws to have effect we have to take the hard line.

Get caught here illegally HAS to mean you not only get deported ASAP, it HAS to also mean you can NEVER come back, not even as a tourist or student.

The current consequences are too light, and usually even those are not enforced.

We read daily of illegals who have been deported several times, but keep returning.
Eventually they commit a serious enough crime to end up in prison, where they continue to drain our economy for their care.

The families of illegals have a choice, wave goodbye to illegal, or accompany them when they are deported.

Yes, it IS that simple.

I recommend NOT “falling in love” with illegals.


37 posted on 11/23/2011 12:11:23 PM PST by Loyal Sedition
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To: Vigilanteman

I still say we need to immediately initiate a simple policy.

For every illegal found in the U.S. we subtract three LEGAL immigration slots from that country for the year.
Make sure the immigrants waiting their turn know that the line got longer thanks to the illegals jumping the line.
Maybe put in a reward system for reporting human smugglers, such as moving their application nearer to the top of the pile.


38 posted on 11/23/2011 12:15:41 PM PST by Loyal Sedition
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To: Hodar
Let’s check the logic here.


I committed a crime (robbed a bank, stole a car, burglarized a home, ect), I’ve been on the run and have not been caught for ‘x’ years, nor have I made any restitution for the consequences of my actions.


- does my crime get forgiven?


Yep! Statute of Limitations
39 posted on 11/23/2011 12:15:45 PM PST by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: stompk

Do those things and illegal aliens will self-deport rather quickly and pay for the trip themselves.

40 posted on 11/23/2011 12:16:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: stompk

Poll isn’t broad enough in it’s choices. There is a difference in being a legal resident and a legal citizen. Both are countable, pay taxes but only one can legally vote.


41 posted on 11/23/2011 1:17:42 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: stompk
73.1% Yes

26.9% No

42 posted on 11/23/2011 1:23:15 PM PST by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: bmwcyle
These polls can be manipulated so many different ways that I just laugh when I see one.

The ignorant are so insecure that they will always vote with the majority. How it becomes a majority depends on the poll software. Just count every vote you like and only every tenth vote of the ones you don't.

There is no real way from preventing groups from paying "poll voters" from pushing the right button all day.

Soros has the bucks.

43 posted on 11/23/2011 1:50:18 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: stompk

Illegals are outlaw invaders. Round them up, expel them (and their anchor babies, too). Discussion closed.


44 posted on 11/23/2011 2:13:49 PM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: MNJohnnie

Tell us all how you felt when the swat team per Janet Rino forcefully took Elian Gonzalez and sent him back to South America?


45 posted on 11/23/2011 2:14:02 PM PST by CynicalBear
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Tell us all how you felt when the swat team per Janet Rino forcefully took Elian Gonzalez and sent him back to South America?

Apples and Oranges.There is an official national policy regarding Cuban Refugees.
It's not rocket science.

46 posted on 11/23/2011 3:48:57 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Publius6961

Riiiiiggggghhhhttttt.


47 posted on 11/23/2011 3:52:27 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

It’s different because it’s different!

If Elian Gonzalez was Haitian his ass would still be floating in the Atlantic.

Moreover, Elian Gonzalez was picked up in the middle of open water, so the wet foot/dry foot policy never applied to him.


48 posted on 11/23/2011 4:47:57 PM PST by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
>>It’s different because it’s different!<<

He didn’t belong here right? I take it the swat team with guns drawn was fine with you and you were 100% with Reno on that deal?

49 posted on 11/23/2011 6:00:49 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: stompk

The great epic migration of illegal aliens, upwards of 20 million, came under 8 years of the Bush’s presidency.

Never forget.


50 posted on 11/23/2011 6:06:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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