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Romney under fire for immigration remarks (Flip Romney loves illegals too)
Reuters ^ | 2011-11-23 | Sam Youngman & Lily Kuo

Posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:17 AM PST by rabscuttle385

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was accused on Wednesday of flip-flopping for comments he made in 2007 indicating he was open to a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

Romney's remarks, made on NBC's "Meet the Press" when he was a candidate for president, were circulated by rival Newt Gingrich's campaign the day after the former Speaker of the House of Representatives came under similar fire for suggesting during a debate Tuesday night that he was in favor of such a pathway for immigrants.

Opponents of a pathway, a large swath of the early-voting Republican electorate, have branded the proposal as equal to an amnesty for the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States.

Conservative Republican voters in early-voting states like Iowa have demonstrated little patience for candidates or office-holders who are receptive to any plans that would grant citizenship to illegal immigrants.

The Gingrich campaign noted that during the 2007 interview, Romney said "that those people who had come here illegally and are in this country, the 12 million or so that are here illegally, should be able to sign up for permanent residency or citizenship."

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1 posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:22 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Preacher Bishop RINO Romney:
"On my planet, such inconsistent statements
PROVE I am conservative and consistent.
Now bow before me and accept the inevitable.
"




2 posted on 11/23/2011 11:51:51 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

“the 12 million or so that are here illegally, should be able to sign up for permanent residency or citizenship.”

That is what Mitt said. Newt said no such thing on a path to citizenship. What is the old saying about a lie being half way around the world before the truth even gets its pants on.


3 posted on 11/23/2011 11:56:27 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Parley Baer

Newt or Mitt won’t fix immigration if they are elected.


4 posted on 11/23/2011 11:58:31 AM PST by Politics4US
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To: Diogenesis

what a shock /s.

btw, glenn beck endorses michele bachmann. just got an email.


5 posted on 11/23/2011 12:03:33 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Diogenesis

Foreign nationals or foreign citizens, who illegally entered and are illegally living in the US, should never be given the coveted prize of US citizenship. Legal Permanent residency? Maybe, upon conditions, such as they have lived in the US a long number of years, have children born in the US, which makes the child a dual citizen of both the US and the parent’s country of citizenship. And that while living illegally in the US, they have not committed any crimes and have proof that they conducted themselves during those years, as worthy of being allowed legal US residency which means they can become legal US residents of foreign citizenship.


6 posted on 11/23/2011 12:06:55 PM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: Parley Baer

That 10 Million number has been used for more than a decade.

The Border Patrol states the ILLEGALS in America is > 30 Million.


7 posted on 11/23/2011 12:07:07 PM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: Politics4US

The Question Is: Will anybody, really, fix the ongoing and worsening illegal immigration problem?


8 posted on 11/23/2011 12:09:26 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: rabscuttle385

FUMR!!


9 posted on 11/23/2011 12:09:30 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: dadfly

To be entirely correct, he did not use the endorse word yesterday but said of all the candidates, she is the one he would support. That all came crashing down this morning when he rescinded that approval after something she said last night. I did not get to hear what it was that he disagreed with because I got a phone call but I did hear him say he was pulling back.

Just as I spoke, it came in from the Blaze.

http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/11/23/msnbc-praises-michele-bachmann/


10 posted on 11/23/2011 12:18:16 PM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: newfreep

“The Border Patrol states the ILLEGALS in America is > 30 Million.”

30 mil is more in line with my reading on the matter as well.

The border situation is what the Fed is supposed to be about amongst a few other things, and they aren’t doing the job. Time to fire them. It’s what one does if one has an employee that isn’t doing the job.

Past time to roto rooter the system, to clean out the crap.

Pull the chain, and flush the Congressional Bowl.


11 posted on 11/23/2011 12:18:23 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
Quote from last night:

Blitzer pressed Romney on whether he would consider letting immigrants who have been in the United States illegally for 25 years stay in this country. “I’m not going to start drawing lines here about who gets to stay and who get to go,” Romney responded. “The principle is that we are not going to have an amnesty system that says that people who come here illegally get to stay for the rest of their life in this country legally.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/can-gingrich-sell-humane-immigration-policy-to-gop/2011/11/23/gIQApuP0oN_story_1.html


12 posted on 11/23/2011 12:19:54 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Politics4US

NOOT or Willard won’t fix anything else, either.

The sort of fixing this country needs isn’t going to be done by politicians, bureaucracy or law enforcement.

We can hope for an EMP, however.


13 posted on 11/23/2011 12:39:21 PM PST by noprogs (Borders, Language, Culture....all should be preserved)
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To: rabscuttle385
Any candidate who concocts schemes to legalize ten of millions of these criminals, will not get my vote...

I'll sit home before I ever support that, as it won't matter who is elected at that point.

14 posted on 11/23/2011 12:41:07 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: This I Wonder32460

Every illegal alien who has worked in the United States has committed one or more of the following crimes: ID Theft, Document Fraud, Social Security Fraud, Employment (I-9 Form) Fraud, and Conspiracy to Violate Immigration Laws.


15 posted on 11/23/2011 12:51:07 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: rabscuttle385

"Reagan signs amnesty bill in 1986"

16 posted on 11/23/2011 12:55:44 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Parley Baer

Newt: “Some illegals deserve amnesty”

.....

There is already a legal path to citizenship, they swear in new citizens all the time. You have to wait in line and pay your dues not skip to the front.


17 posted on 11/23/2011 1:04:22 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: oh8eleven

The 1986 deal was a failure, the “deal” was not kept by Dems.

There are a whole lot more foreign invaders now, and a war on the border. 70% of illegals on some form of welfare, raping the taxpayers.

Amnesty is a bad idea.

Cut off all the benefits.


18 posted on 11/23/2011 1:09:25 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dragnet2

Homer warns us to be careful letting foreigners in the city. Rome let them in..they were called peregrines...perpetual inhabitants.

Caracalla gave them citizenship...Gibbons writes this action was the beginning of Rome’s fall.

One of Caracalla’s parents was a Roman citizen...the other was Syrian.


19 posted on 11/23/2011 1:11:41 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: dragnet2
I'll sit home before I ever support that, as it won't matter who is elected at that point.

Yup. This is no minor issue, and gets worse every year. Beheadings, coming soon. But, everyone's occupied fighting overseas or being scared by something happening thousands of miles away. So these anti-sovereignty candidates continue to excuse the illegal alien criminals in our own neighborhood.

20 posted on 11/23/2011 1:13:53 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: oh8eleven; rabscuttle385
Sorry, totally different era, which occurred *before* we were totally swamped with upwards of 30 million illegals in the past 20 years.

You attempt to somehow blame Ronald Reagan for this utter disaster?

No sale.

21 posted on 11/23/2011 1:19:07 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Borax Queen

You bet...Anyone concocting schemes to legalize these millions of criminals, will never get this guys vote.


22 posted on 11/23/2011 1:21:11 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: oh8eleven

I love Reagan. Doesn’t mean he got it right every time. In any case that was then this is now. Anyone with critical thinking capabilities knows that uncontrolled borders is killing us.

Anyone who can tell me 20-30 million illegals in the country is good for ordinary Americans with a sgtraight face is a zombie. There are millions of unemployed Americans right here in the good old USA. These are jobs they should be doing. Yes that’s right should. Anyone who’s unemployed who turns down any job should be removed from the unemployed rolls.


23 posted on 11/23/2011 1:27:29 PM PST by dools0007world
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To: dragnet2; yorkie

It’s probably not even going to be worth voting. For the first time in my life, I’ll be sitting out a presidential election.

My parents came here legally, after waiting years and years in line. Women and children came first, families were separated (thanks to Communist sympathizer FDR) for years.

Where was the “humanity” then?

My parents and grandparents were fleeing Hitler and Stalin, not some self-made economic situation. Where was the “compassion”?

There were such strict quotas then, had to keep Europeans out. Of course, there still appear to be strict quotes now for non-minorities, at least, from all the stories I hear.


24 posted on 11/23/2011 1:44:38 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Politics4US

Newt or Mitt won’t fix immigration if they are elected.
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Immigration deoesnt need fixing...

Theres nothing wrong ewith it...

The presence in the US of 30 Million plus illegal aliens ...

now that s a whole other matter...

They need to go back where they came from...

and tell them “please take your whole family with you...”


25 posted on 11/23/2011 1:59:38 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I don’t agree with you. I think immigration needs to be fixed also, but I meant illegal before.


26 posted on 11/23/2011 2:04:30 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: GeronL

That’s what has to happen and I believe the political reality will coalesce around that idea.

We won’t get fooled a third time. We need to control our borders, but kicking out non-criminal illegals won’t happen. The path to citizenship must be in support of overseas Christian minorities, those with high educations and skills and those who bring $1 million in capital.

Those who are on the path to legal citizenship need to be treated like human beings - standardize and privatize the process. Those who are here illegally go to the end of the line.

We need a tiered approach to citizenship and an elimination of welfare benefits for illegals, green card holders, and newly minted citizens for a decade. That would go a long way toward shoring up entitlements and give that reform time to work.

The illegal immigration problem isn’t just about immigration.


27 posted on 11/23/2011 2:19:06 PM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Borax Queen

First of all, BLESS YOUR PARENT’S HEARTS!

Second, BQ, there IS no quota now - no Ellis Island. The immigrants that flee to America today, come here to flee poverty that they are to lazy (and entitled) to repair.

After all, if the lazy (entitled) one’s family were starving, and all one had to do was to cross a border, and VOILA!

There, one would have free food, free education, subsidized housing, all the identities one could steal, for MORE free stuff - and pop out a baby there, and it’s got a guarantee of a free “BENNIE” ticket for the rest of it’s life.....

And don’t forget the American flags they can burn, the fires they can start, accidents they can cause and flee, and the thefts they can perpetrate, the gangs they can join, the women (and children) they can molest.

BUT, then, there’s “possible” punishment by deportation, (which will last one day before they can get back across that “FREEDOM BORDER”.)


28 posted on 11/23/2011 2:21:09 PM PST by yorkie
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To: Tennessee Nana

Sure there are things wrong with immigration. The average LEGAL immigrant costs this nation money.

Meanwhile, nations like Australia set up point systems whereby native English speakers, those in needed professions, those more educated, and those with spouses who work in needed professions are favored. They also favor younger immigrants.

Their immigration system is leaps and bounds better than what we have in the US. It makes far more sense.

Meanwhile, we’re letting in a million people per year legally—far, far, far too many and who, on average, cost this nation money.

Cutting the number in half, limiting immigrants to refugees or allies of our nation, and raising the expectations of immigrants to integrate, speak English, and be active and productive members of society would be a huge step forward.


29 posted on 11/23/2011 2:28:48 PM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: yorkie

Thank you, yorkie.

We forgot about the beheadings too. Granted, that hasn’t been proven without a reasonable doubt yet on the U.S. side (wasn’t there an incident last summer in Phoenix though?) — but when so many are happening along the southern part of I-10 by El Paso, it’s just a matter of time.

And the massive swaths of public land now closed off to us, the taxpaying public.


30 posted on 11/23/2011 2:37:57 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: Politics4US
Newt or Mitt won’t fix immigration if they are elected. Posting HTML This forum allows optional use of most HTML tags. If your post does not contain HTML, it will be converted to HTML when posted, retaining paragraphs as typed. This conversion is not performed if you have anything resembling an HTML tag in your text.

Not defending Newt, Mitt or Perry on immigration ... but NONE of these candidates will fix immigration. We require a significant number of strong conservatives in Congress to do that. We are nowhere close to having the numbers.

31 posted on 11/23/2011 3:11:12 PM PST by plain talk
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To: CaspersGh0sts

The average LEGAL immigrant costs this nation money
_____________________________________________

I didnt cost this country a penny...

I paid for everything myself...


32 posted on 11/23/2011 3:19:43 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: rabscuttle385
he promised them citizenship to boot! But that's Newt - it all depends on the wind w/him. He is one low piece of sh!t the 'show' he puts on!

CNN just had the Mitt clip from Dec 2007 with Meet the Press saying what the article states "that those people who had come here illegally and are in this country, the 12 million or so that are here illegally, should be able to sign up for permanent residency or citizenship."
33 posted on 11/23/2011 3:22:06 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: plain talk

I won’t vote for them in the primary.


34 posted on 11/23/2011 3:30:56 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: 1010RD
We need a tiered approach to citizenship and an elimination of welfare benefits for illegals, green card holders, and newly minted citizens for a decade. That would go a long way toward shoring up entitlements and give that reform time to work. The illegal immigration problem isn’t just about immigration.

The first mistake that many of the anti-immigrant hot-heads on this forum make is to conflate several different issues into one. Some illegals are violent criminals and/or drug dealers. No question about what should happen to them. Some are welfare queens of one description or another, and some of them also vote illegally, enticed, encouraged and enabled by those who make a living gain political power through expanding the social welfare system. These are not felons, but are an economic drag on the country. Cut them off and toss them out is ok. Then there is a large class who actually turn in honest work doing jobs Americans won't do or cannot do, pay taxes, and pay their own way through life. I would guess that this class is at least 1/3 of illegals and probably more. I really don't think there is any justice in trying to toss these folks out. Maybe you tell them that they never get citizenship, but they can have permanent legal residence so long as they remain law abiding productive citizens.

But the notion that we are just going to round up and toss out 30 Million folks is a fantasy, and not a very Christian fantasy at that.

35 posted on 11/23/2011 3:37:23 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Politics4US

I understand. I would support Gingrich, Cain or Perry. I’ll make a decision on exactly which one later on. Their stance on illegal immigration will have little impact on my decision for the reasons I stated previously.


36 posted on 11/23/2011 3:37:23 PM PST by plain talk
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To: rabscuttle385

Typical. Not surprised. He Perry and Newt should just start a club. Illegal alien lovers club.


37 posted on 11/23/2011 4:08:15 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul)
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To: dadfly

btw, glenn beck endorses michele bachmann. just got an email.

Thank God for Glenn Beck. He knows who the real conservative it!!!!! This just might be a decent election after all. I would really love Cain/Bachmann. However, I would not be opposed to Bachmann/Cain.


38 posted on 11/23/2011 4:10:28 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul)
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To: plain talk

I would support Gingrich, Cain or Perry

Out of that group only Cain would get my vote in the Primary and the General. I seriously won’t vote for Perry or Gingrich in the general. Add Romney, Huntsman and Paul to the listing. Forget it! Won’t happen.


39 posted on 11/23/2011 4:20:10 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul)
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To: AndyJackson

The first mistake that many of the anti-immigrant hot-heads on this forum make is to conflate several different issues into one.
________________________________________

Oh I dunno

I think their altimate goal has always been AMNESTY fore their illegall aliens...

We Pro-immigration FReepers far outnumber the group which seems to concern you...

I wouldnt worry...

We’ve been getting the word out for years in thesae threadfs about the dangers that illegal aliens present to the citizens and economy of the US...

People are listening...

even if it takes losing spomeone they know to dewath on the roads or murder or rapes or robbery by illegal aliens ti get their attention...

It’s only the as you say “hotheads” like Romney who want the illegal aliens to stay because it benefitsa them financially and/or politically who refuse to accept that ALL of the illegal aliens and their anchor offspring MUST leave the US...

The rest of us know that the rule of law in this country MUST prevail...

our sovereign borders must be protected from invaders up to no good...


40 posted on 11/23/2011 4:32:59 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: napscoordinator

“btw, glenn beck endorses michele bachmann. just got an email.
Thank God for Glenn Beck. He knows who the real conservative it!!!!!””


Michelle Bachmann is the only conservative candidate


41 posted on 11/23/2011 4:35:37 PM PST by CGalen
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To: CGalen
Michelle Bachmann is the only conservative candidate

BTTT

42 posted on 11/23/2011 5:12:40 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Tennessee Nana
our sovereign borders must be protected from invaders up to no good...

I know. Those Mexican masons who wander across the boarder to do jobs laying stone and tile that few Americans even know how to do really need to be sent packing. They are destroying the market for lazy incompetent American builders.

43 posted on 11/23/2011 5:23:12 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: dragnet2
You attempt to somehow blame Ronald Reagan
I didn't blame him for anything. Just saying - he signed an amnesty bill and raised taxes more than once.
The "perfect" Conservative does not exist.
44 posted on 11/23/2011 5:43:17 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

No one suggested that. You were just told the facts in this matter.


45 posted on 11/23/2011 5:49:25 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Tennessee Nana
The rest of us know that the rule of law in this country MUST prevail... our sovereign borders must be protected from invaders up to no good...

I'm shocked by how many pro-illegal aliens there are on the forum, or who all of a sudden appeared. Playing the "Christian card," just like all good libs do. Pull out the Bible when it's convenient to "justify" criminal invaders.

These types must either profit in some way from illegal aliens. Or, live in such gated and remote areas, that they are some of the few left unaffected. The beheadings, drunken drivers, drug cartels don't bother them. That we used to be a country of laws doesn't bother them either.

46 posted on 11/23/2011 5:57:56 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: AndyJackson

No, annie , they are destroying the job market for American masons and tilesetters who want work aboveboard, not under the table while on the lonestar card and every other form of government medical and housing assistance.


47 posted on 11/23/2011 6:34:37 PM PST by ngat
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To: oh8eleven

Reagan had several other failures, including Lebanon, Sandra Day O’Connor, and Anthony Kennedy. And of course from the start, GHWB.


48 posted on 11/23/2011 9:56:55 PM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, articulate, passionate, less baggage.)
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To: bushpilot1

Good reporting, but alas above the understanding of the American people


49 posted on 11/23/2011 9:59:37 PM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, articulate, passionate, less baggage.)
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