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A Reagan Legacy: Amnesty For Illegal Immigrants
All Things Considered ^ | July 4, 2010 | NPR Staff

Posted on 11/23/2011 12:43:17 PM PST by ez

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To: jessduntno
Man, the blood is in the water and even the black and white transcript doesn’t matter.

Not really interested in the opinion of someone trying to get everyone to "moderate" their opposition to amnesty and Illegal Aliens as you have been doing today.
51 posted on 11/23/2011 7:16:22 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; mkjessup
This tells only half the story. The 1986 bill included a number of provisions that would have radically reduced the number of illegals coming here: that was the bargain Reagan drove: amnesty for certain illegals, and Congress was going to impose measures that would curtail the continued invasion. But it didn’t work, and it didn’t work for two reasons: 1) Reagan failed to realize the Congress was (is) unscrupulous and had no intention of living up to the enforcement and border security parts of the deal and 2) Reagan failed to remember that you get more of any kind of behavior that you reward. Total FAIL.

Dems (and sometimes RINOs) run the same play over and over and the GOP falls for it: Make a deal and then don't honor your end of it. Remember Reagan in 1982 "The tax increase is the price we have to pay to get the budget cuts"?

52 posted on 11/23/2011 8:57:06 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; La Lydia; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; rabscuttle385; ...

This is the standard stuff coming from the progressives, That Reagan who they demonized as an insane suicidal (nationally) dictator was really one of them on positions like taxes and immigration, in fact it must be everything.

Look leftists, it’s not 1980, not close. So FU


53 posted on 11/23/2011 9:24:41 PM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: sickoflibs
Look leftists, it’s not 1980, not close. So FU

Except that Dems keep trying the same swindle, and I am not confident that the GOP is any smarter than it was 30 years ago.

54 posted on 11/23/2011 10:19:26 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: ez
Reagan was a very good president. He isn't God and shouldn't be treated as such. I'm also not a Reagan Republican. I'm my own Republican.

Amnesty was a mistake. Reagan was wrong. What happened after 1986 with illegal immigration. There was more and more of it. Even Cesar Chavez was strongly against illegal immigration. It undercut wages and his labor movement.

We need to go after the employers who hire illegals, even up to the point of possibly piercing their corporate veil or piercing LLC liability. Make it cost more than it is worth, and they will be reduced, go home, and hopefully do things the rightway to get into the US and become Americans.

55 posted on 11/23/2011 10:31:29 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Not really interested in the opinion of someone trying to get everyone to “moderate” their opposition to amnesty and Illegal Aliens as you have been doing today.”

There’s a non-answer, but I really don’t care about what people are moaning about and last time I looked this was an open forum that dealt with what is said, not interpreted.

The transcript isn’t mine. I’m not saying it. The transcript is the record. And I don’t care what all the reactionaries say; the transcripts don’t lie. And I’ve been discussing the reality, not the spin.

I know who is the more electable, experienced conservative candidate and I thought everyone else here did, too. All this shit directed towards me isn’t going to change the facts.

And I ain’t shy about saying so.


56 posted on 11/24/2011 11:47:18 AM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”Look leftists, it’s not 1980, not close. So FU
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Except that Dems keep trying the same swindle, and I am not confident that the GOP is any smarter than it was 30 years ago.

What I mean is that this is not the same world or country as it was 30 years ago, not close. So Reagan's policies are not going to be an instant textbook procedure that works for eternity contrary to what some on AM may claim.

Liberals are just using Alinsky Tactics: “Hold the other side to it's own standards” Republicans are too stupid to even think to do that to them back.

57 posted on 11/24/2011 6:33:29 PM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: sickoflibs
What I mean is that this is not the same world or country as it was 30 years ago, not close. So Reagan's policies are not going to be an instant textbook procedure that works for eternity contrary to what some on AM may claim.

Reagan's amnesty is hardly an example we should follow. I agree with the idea that this is not the same world as it was in Reagan's day. Amnesty today would be much worse than Reagan's.

Also, it seems to me that Dems are much more anti-American than in Reagan's day, so that would make it harder to execute a Reagan playbook today. Obama and gang do not even seem to like the USA, so why would they want it to be stronger?

58 posted on 11/25/2011 12:18:36 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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Look y’all. The Reagan amnesty was a disaster because neither party did a damn thing to enforce the provisions in it. Had they been enforced, we wouldn’t have 25 million slobs here, sucking us dry and committing an inordinate number of crimes.

The REAL problem is the lobbyists for the Chamber of Commerce in D.C., who have bought off many POLITICIAN/WHORES in the Republican party. All the COC wants is cheap labor, and plenty of it. The COC doesn’t give a rats ass about the eventual destruction of America.


59 posted on 11/25/2011 6:06:01 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Worth repeating:

The REAL problem is the lobbyists for the Chamber of Commerce in D.C., who have bought off many POLITICIAN/WHORES in the Republican party. All the COC wants is cheap labor, and plenty of it. The COC doesn’t give a rats ass about the eventual destruction of America.

The CoS(Chamber of Slavery) is currently the biggest threat to the USA and has been flying under the radar for years. THey support the H1-B visa program, they are evil in every sense..

60 posted on 11/25/2011 6:09:45 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ez
Reagan was dead wrong. He acted emotionally. It was a tremendous mistake. Had Reagan thought it through logically, he would have anticipated that MILLIONS more than predicted would bum rush the border to get amnesty. He would have realized how many of them would have babies, push schools and hospitals to the breaking point, create Spanish-only towns throughout CA and TX, leave hundreds of thousands on welfare, WIC, food stamps, Medicare, etc.

None of that mattered. We were "a nation of immigrants". Illegals "shared our values". Etc. And anyone who disagreed was simply racist. So we got amnesty, and a demographic disaster ensued. Gingrich was all for it. And made it even worse as Speaker in the 1990s. And now he wants even MORE amnesty, as did McCain. No thanks. I will never support another such candidate.

61 posted on 11/25/2011 6:59:46 AM PST by montag813
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To: central_va; All

” The CoS(Chamber of Slavery) is currently the biggest threat to the USA and has been flying under the radar for years. THey support the H1-B visa program, they are evil in every sense.. “

THIS is worth repeating too !


62 posted on 11/25/2011 7:06:05 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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Agree with you except the Ag lobby has had a big ol’ hand in this mess, as well.


63 posted on 11/25/2011 4:07:52 PM PST by La Lydia
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