Skip to comments.As Unemployement Aid Sets to Expire,Jobless Worker Says: ĎAll of Us Need to Stand Togetherí
Posted on 11/23/2011 3:18:30 PM PST by mdittmar
Terry Mailes supervisor called her into a conference room with all of her co-workers to hear the news: It was their last day of employment at Level 3 Communications in Pittsburgh.
That was it. The jobs were gone to India.
I couldnt stop crying, said Maile, a divorced mother of one, who until that moment had spent her professional life as a telecommunications worker before being laid off first by Verizon and then by Level 3.
Even then, Maile said, she still believed in the American Dream.
Youve got to work hard work hard.
Maile owned her own home. Although she had been forced to liquidate her retirement after the Verizon layoff, she had begun to build it back up. Then came the Level 3 layoff. It shook her to her core.
That was my defining moment. I was filling out paperwork, and I couldnt help it . I was just crying and crying. I said, They dont understand . Were all interconnected.
Ten years ago, back when Maile worked at Verizon, she earned $75,000 a year. At Level 3, she was paid $50,000. Today, she makes $8.50 an hour at a retail job. She applies for professional jobs every day. Sometimes her application is one of 400.
Maile, 58, plans to travel to Washington, D.C., in the coming weeks to raise her voice for benefits for the long-term unemployed. If Congress fails to act before leaving town for the year, benefits will expire for workers who have searched fruitlessly for jobs for more than 99 weeks. Some 6 million workers will stop receiving weekly compensation of about $300.
Maile plans to campaign constantly for jobless workers.
I had been blaming myself, until I realized whats happening, until I learned more about corporate greed. And then I got active .There is a way out, for all of us, and its with collective action. We dont have another choice. All of us need to stand together.
If anyone here is unemployed/underemployed or has a relative, family member, friend or co-religionist who is, please FReepmail me. I have been a career counselor and recruiter since 1983.
Sorry but that’s the way it is. All this crap about how if we only did away with corporate income tax or dropped regulations or did away with Obamacare and then all these jobs would come flowing back is just that, crap. Corporations look at the bottom line only, and any chance they have to ship a job overseas to someone making a third of what an American makes they’ll take. It’s just the way companies operate today. And has been for going on 15 or 20 years now.
Thank you,lots of people outta work out there,I’m good,non union,7 weeks paid vacation a year,”Youve got to work hard”,if you do,you will be fine.
You mean they want to make a profit,how mean spirited!
Here is how to get jobs back:
Cut income tax to 15%
Cut Corporate tax to 0%
Cut all regulations back to those present in 1980
Levy an equalization tax on all imports to make up for the lack of regulation in foreign countries.
Disabled here, so that’s not an option anymore.
How do you know something is “crap” until it is tried. It certainly hasn’t worked to have a corporate income tax of 35% when the other countries are at 25%. And it doesn’t help to pile on Obamacare and the EPA and the OSHA requirements. We are regulating and taxing ourselves to death.
Not this chit again!
Okay, so we need to take money that isn't there, put it up for a loan, print bills for those unemployed and make promises for repayment and pay those who don't produce the same as those who do produce so we can't tell the difference between the two until we no longer can survive financially.
It's the only compassionate thing to do. /s
Vuala, communism without freedom! Oh joy!
Uh, because the sending of jobs like this overseas was going on long before Obamacare and by corporations who were paying nowhere near 35% tax rates and before OSHA regulations of the last couple of years.
These jobs won't be coming back until people here are willing to work for a couple of dollars a day.
On the plus side, sounds like Maile has plenty of technical skills to offer and she’s a woman and possibly non-white. The big minus is her age, after 55 it’s very difficult to find a high paying salaryman job in a new company even in a good economy. I’m surprised she wasn’t more protected since she’s so close to retirement age.
Kinda sad,you would think with all those union dues she paid,the union would take care of her.
The reason jobs are leaving the county is because the amazing amount of crap companies have to deal with to do business, especially manufacturing, in the US is both astounding and devastating.
Then you have to look at the work ethics and low productivity of the average American worker.
The simple fact is that America has become a very, very bad place to do business so companies are following the path of least resistance and leaving the country.
Until Americans figure out that they are in a to the death economic equivalent of war with countries like China and start fighting back with harder work, higher productivity and less government regulations and taxation we will continue to sink and lose industrial base
Hint - if you get laid off because your job got outsourced to India, get together with other out of work people and start your own company and go into competition with either the Indians or the company that laid you off and kick their butts.
THAT's the American way to deal situations like these, not sitting on your dead ass for 99 weeks collecting unemployment like most seem to be doing
You do understand that labor rates overseas well before Obama office were substantially lower and there was no regulatory environment in those nations the jobs went? Would you suggest they manufacture their widgets here at double the production cost, become uncompetitive globally and go out of business because there is no market for for their uncompetitively priced products?
I'm saying that's the reason why they went there in the first place. Not corporate tax rates. Not Obamacare. Not OSHA or EPA. But dirt cheap labor. That's why the jobs are going to remain over there even if you abolished OSHA and the EPA and cut corporate rates to zero.
Uh, we have been OSHA and EPA regulated for more than 35 years. At my first job with a desk back in 1971 the wall beside my desk was the storage for over 30 boxes of a single EPA report for a single project. Yes, it was a trans-Alaska pipeline.
Part of my job back then was also performing the OSHA compliance stuff, like putting kick plates on a platform which had no scheduled use and hadn’t been used in 10 years. I believe that when I ascended the platform to affix said kick plates I was the first person on the platform in years.
But cutting the corporate tax rate and doing away with overregulation will create a counterbalance to their lower labor costs. China’s labor costs have been escalating and there are certain industries that are on the cusp of having jobs exported back to the US provided they we can go a little further in accommodating industry so they can manufacture here competitively.
“Corporations look at the bottom line only, and any chance they have to ship a job overseas to someone making a third of what an American makes theyll take. Its just the way companies operate today. And has been for going on 15 or 20 years now.”
You’re absolutely right; this situation is permanent. Unemployment will fall, when people realize that wearing a sandwich board outside a strip mall pays more than $0, but this is catastrophic. Support for ObamaCare will rise, as people realize that ANY health care is better than none. At this point, people who officially have “health care” can’t afford meds & premiums anyway.
Those jobs are one forever; I like how this story traces the falling wages of this woman. Funny how this is rarely directly connected to “housing bubbles” and “foreclosures”.
OK.... real life crap about to commence... this means I will get flamed... we are going to talk about mexico... here goes... the average wage in the big 3 is about 21 bucks an hour take home... the average mexican makes about 7 bucks, but it takes 2 or 3 of them to do the same job as 1 american worker... cost reduction per unit is less than 1%.... management makes the same in mexico as the US... no cost savings there... parts have to be transported across the border, and finished product has to be transported back across the border... so, if this is the case, where are the savings????
the savings are in the tax code, regulations, permitting, constant inspections, fines and temporary closings because a damn extension cord is worn out ( cost is 2100 people on a shift making 21 bucks an hour, shut the plant down for 4 hours over an extension cord, cost for labor alone is 176,400 plus expenses and utilities ) this does not include lost sales, lost units, overtime now required to make production quotas ( figure 2100 people at 21 bucks time and a half is 264 grand, on top of the 176 grand you paid people to stand around because an extension cord was slightly worn ) in mexico, they just unplug the damn cord, throw it out and replace it.... and lets not even get started about air and water quality, these plants in the US have to have their discharge water cleaner that you get out of your tap, and air quality is zero emissions... if you spray paint a metal chair in your garage, you put more pollution out that an auto plant paint shop.. that costs money, in the hundreds of millions per plant to install, and tens of millions per year per plant to maintain... in short, you better wake up pal, ‘cuz the man has destroyed the ability to maintain a manufacturing base here, and they are coming after your pringles next ( they contain a carcinogen, reported here today on FR )... once you open your eyes, you can never shut them again
OSHA said I had to put a taller guard on my fork lift,guess what,makes it hard to unload them trucks without going through the roof,harder to get those truck drivers on the road.
“That’s why the jobs are going to remain over there even if you abolished OSHA and the EPA and cut corporate rates to zero.”
Well put, and so true. At this point the US would have to send troops to China or India to defend there governments in the event of civil unrest, due to how heavily “our” companies are invested there.
“You mean they want to make a profit,how mean spirited!”
That attitude is why communism was born, and why it is back with a vengeance. There has to be some balance; just writing off so many unemployed isn’t doing anyone any favors. The American small businesses are dying the fastest from this environment; who profits from that?
“But cutting the corporate tax rate and doing away with overregulation will create a counterbalance to their lower labor costs.”
High transportation costs were supposed to do the same thing, but the Asians found a way around it: rather than sending everything to a country where many can’t afford them anymore, they can now sell them directly to their own growing middle classes that have replaced ours.
noun an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.
Not true. Some jobs are already coming back as some of these jobs reach wage parity overseas.
What is your solution?
I am remembering my mid 1930s history. During those dark days, communism was on the rise then too, just like today. It seemed like the answer to all the ills of no jobs, etc... WW2 came around and voila’, everyone was employed again. So do TPTB angle for another war? It sure seems like it.
Profits for everyone during world war a-go-go!
It wasn’t people “employed” fighting WW2 that ended the financial woes of the 30’s and 40’s, because if it was, then the country would have fallen back into the same mess when all those soldiers came back home; unemployed. It was free market capitalism and the US entrepreneurial spirit rebuilding Europe, and elsewhere, AFTER the war that got us out of the mess the liberal Roosevelt polices created.
We could just as easily get out of the mess we are in now, if the government would get out of the way.
How our Corporations conspire with communists to destroy our Country and way of life, while some conservatives cheer our emasculation.
China Threatens to Use Financial Weapon Against America
On Monday, Peoples Daily, Chinas leading newspaper, stated it was time for Beijing to consider using its financial weapon against the United States.
The Communist Partys flagship publication suggested that the Chinese government directly link its purchases of US Treasury debt to Taiwan arms sales and require ratings agencies to downgrade the United States in order to force up interest paid to China. China should also launch limited trade sanctions against states whose representatives in Congress supportTaiwan. China-US relations will always be constrained by these people and will continue along a roller coaster pattern if China does not beat them until they feel the pain, the paper said.
The context for the stinging piece in the partys self-described mouthpiece may be proposed arms sales to Taiwan, but the general message is clear: China should use its holdings of American obligations to accomplish its many geopolitical aims. In fact, China has never wanted to use its holdings of US debt as a weapon, the paper noted. It is the United States that is forcing it to do so.
Cheer leaders for the type of free trade being practiced today need to remove their heads from their greedy...asset sheets.
This is such a nice gesture on your part.
My daughter,in her late forties,with an MBA,who always had great jobs couldn’t find work for 16 months. She collected and worked part time.
She has since found a good job but it was an awful experience-——she has always worked so hard.
I hope you can help someone.
I am sorry that you have had such a dreary career.
You also apparently didn’t read any of my links in my post to you so you don’t realize that you are simply an apologist for communist domination of this Country. The bottom line is your holy grail...after all.
I guess in your world Ronald Reagan didnt starve the Soviet Union of US trade and Capital, he instead allowed our manufacturing and technology to be wholesale sent there to increase market opportunities for American multi-national corporations.
You cheer the forces of freedom and free enterprise getting into bed with the Communist Chinese? You must approve of trade deals such as those which allowed the Communists to steal our missile gyroscope technology.
Before that acquisition the Commies couldnt hit a target 1000 miles away. Now their ICBMs with our technology are on a par with our own. And that is but one of many examples.
What is conservative about that? Those who cheer the bottom line above national security and the welfare of fellow Americans are not conservatives. They are traitors...or just plain ignorant. Which are you?
Like I said Corporate pimps put profit above country.
Thats not just wrong, its dangerous to our national security.
You and Obama are wrong.
Quit being a dupe.
After the Democrats mid-year election debacle, President Obama reportedly began reading about Ronald Reagan for political and policy inspiration. On critical China-related issues, however, Reagans star pupils these days seem to be in Beijing, not Washington. For recent Chinese economic and military challenges to the United States signal that Beijing is laying a trap for America closely resembling the trap Reagan laid to help bring down the Soviet Union. And Obamas inept responses signal that America is falling into it.
Of all the U.S. Cold War strategies to bring about either Soviet cooperation or collapse, the cleverest and most effective was Reagans effort to try to spend Americas rival superpower into the ground through an unprecedented American defense build-up, while denying the Soviets access to Western technology and capital that would have helped them militarily and economically.
As Reagan realized, the Soviets were primed for a fall. Their economy was becoming less and less productive, and lagged badly in the civilian technologies increasingly critical for military superiority. Moscow had also squandered enormous wealth through unsuccessful military adventures in third world backwaters, on top of mounting expenses for propping up its East European satellites.
Reagan intensified Moscows economic predicament in three major ways. First, he constantly pressed for tighter Western restrictions on technology transfers to the Soviet bloc. Second, he blocked Soviet access to Western capital whenever possible. Third and most important, he launched a technology-led military buildup aimed ultimately at exhausting Moscows stagnant resources.
At the same time, Reagan moved decisively to shore up Americas domestic industrial and technology bases. He effectively combatted unfairly traded imports of semiconductors, machine tools, steel, and autos. And he devalued the dollar, ending the unfair competitive advantage held by undervalued allied currencies.
Today, three decades later, it looks like the Chinese have been paying the most attention to Reagans legacy. And considering the circumstances, who can blame them?
The U.S. economy is wheezing, unemployment is staggeringly high, government at all levels is tapped out, large states are on the verge of defaulting, consumers are on the ropes, and vast wealth continues to be drained by wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Record federal budget deficits have led the Obama administration to announce major military spending cuts. But maintaining superiority against a rapidly strengthening adversary will require additional resources, which will further strain our countrys finances and volatile politics.
With its massive, technology-led military buildup and bully-in-the-neighborhood stance, China is clearly behaving like an adversary to East and South Asia, and the United States.
And in a 21st century twist, Chinas predatory trade policies have helped destabilize the global economy. Yet in contrast to Reagan with his anti-Soviet economic strategy, and ironically, like the Soviets themselves, Obama clings to calcified, orthodox policies that keep enriching and strengthening China at Americas expense.
Last week in Beijing, Defense Secretary Robert Gates vowed to develop the weapons needed to counter Chinas new stealth fighter jet, carrier-killing ballistic missile, and other emerging high- tech military capabilities.
Yet alongside this seemingly off-the-cuff commitment to massive new defense spending, Gates supports substantially easing U.S. export controls. For years, the flow of cutting-edge U.S. knowhow has greatly added to Beijings overall military capabilities. The administrations new proposals would only open the floodgates wider.
Indeed, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has just offered to relax these controls in exchange for lowered Chinese trade barriers foolishly rewarding Beijing for simply honoring commitments it has already made. Call it the Obama carrot-and-carrot approach.
Compounding these mistakes has been Obamas failure to combat predatory Chinese trade practices, like currency manipulation, subsidies, forced tech transfer to do business in China, and IP theft. These mercantile policies have fueled Chinas astronomical trade surpluses with the United States and put literally trillions of dollars into Chinese coffers. In addition to financing Chinas military buildup, these sums represent enormous numbers of lost American sales and jobs, and have helped gut our own domestic manufacturing and R&D bases.
The truly disabled should never have to worry about money for basics in this country. Anyone that’s over a certain age though..
It’s not that simple. The jobs are heading out for a combination of reasons. If you got rid of government none would probably stop going out or come back. It’ll take a vast increase of worker ability vs the outside world.
Dude. Get a therapist. You are a walking projector.
And you are one of the “useful idiots” that communists so dearly love...and that’s being kind to your ilk.
“And has been for going on 15 or 20 years now.”
For myself it’s more like over 50 years.
I ran the business for the sole purpose of profit, there is no other reason for a business to exist.
No one runs a business to give someone a job, only government is that stupid.
Of course jobs are going out of the country for a variety of reasons - currency exchange rate imbalance with China is one huge reason.
These reasons break down into two basic categories the first are external challenges and the second are internal obstacles.
Things like exchange rate imbalances with China are external challenges to economic growth that we face
Internal obstacles are barriers and shackles our country places on itself that destroy economic growth.
Big internal obstacles we face here are
1) A general anti business mentality on the part of government, especially with legal and product liability lawsuits. Sarbanes -Oxley killed a huge amount of big company investment and re investment in this country
2) Excessive regulation
3) Excessive labor and workplace laws which are abused.
4) Low employee productivity, eduction and learning skills. Poor employee work ethics
5) Unions adversarial mentality and insane work place policies.
6) Excessive taxation and social policy mandates on companies.
The hope of America is not to primarily to bring back obsolete jobs using obsolete technology that have been shifted oversea
The hope of America is to create and expand higher paying jobs producing innovative products or to produce existing products in a more efficient, innovative process.
To accomplish this we need a business climate where Americans will be willing to take the risks and make the capitol investments needed to implement the more efficient innovative processes.
We also need a flexible, talented,highly motivated, productive and hard working group of people to run the process.
As of right now, Government is a major obstacle to both
There is no balance in shipping work off to places where the conditions would never meet any of the standards we have in place here; the West is guaranteed to lose (and it IS losing).
Why anyone would defend a broken system that has destroyed our way of life is beyond me.
Our 2 current wars aren’t putting everyone back to work; technology has made a lot of those jobs disappear over the decades, and the costs of those wars have cost our dollar its value.
The threat of communism back then lead to reforms that made the “American dream” the envy of the world, and a magnet for the most talented people in it; today companies have learned how to avoid the reforms of the last 100 years, and we can see the result.
Perhaps unemployed Americans should be busy filling out employment applications.
Just a thought.
Simply because our so-called “leadership” have sold America to communist China, doesn’t mean we should stop trying.
Apply for jobs, every minute. Don’t ever quit.
Meanwhile, oppose the globalist traitors, with every fiber of your being.
It was...Most of those I knew that had lawn care service, gave it up due to lack of money, job loses, cuts in hours, price of food etc., etc. Same with pool services.
Right now I am employing an unemployed Engineer to do my lawn work for me. I am retired. He does a good job for a guy with such soft hands.
Annuities are not welfare. If increased tax hikes forced my 15% capital gains tax rate to rise I could stand it.
You just showed your ignorance to every investor on this board. I’ll bet you only invest in Gold Line. And that, only because some radio talk show bobble head tells you to. The same bobble heads that keep you a poor ignoramus and a lackey to a bunch of dual citizenship elite who look at you as though your worth is something they scrape off the bottom of their shoe after they step in it. Perhaps in your case they are right.