Skip to comments."Newt Gingrich Will Not Expel The Hispanics" (TRANSLATION): El Heraldo, Honduras
Posted on 11/24/2011 12:16:51 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
Washington, United States
The Republican candidates differ on their ideologies in various foreign policy issues in the second Republican presidential debate.
Newt Gingrich, who more recently has emerged to the top of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, said that during his government did not expel immigrants without legal permission but already have a life founded in the United States.
The applicant added that the Republicans can not say that his party is in favor of the family when separating parents from their children who were born in the country and have citizenship.
Gingrich, also supported the antiterrorism law known as the Patriot Act, passed after the attacks of September 11, 2001, which has been criticized by civil rights advocates.
In contrast, Congressman Ron Paul said that the law "is not patriotic because it undermines our freedoms."
Paul holds libertarian stances advocating cuts in aid to Israel, the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and the decriminalization of drugs.
The Congress is supported by a solid core of people who support him and admire his position of opposition to the current foreign policies. Either way, Ron Paul has not been able to be among the first places in the race for the nomination.
Since the candidate Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, opposed the cuts and suggested that the money is withdrawn the militia could be used to fund public health programs of Obama, which are repudiated by the Republicans.
Also, the wide range of issues gave room for many errors, especially because most applicants do not have considerable experience in international affairs.
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, Governor Rick Perry of Texas and businessman Herman Cain so far have supported a role not so popular in today's candidacy.
Through the debate, the chances of Cain and were damaged with an incoherent response to a question from an interviewer about Libya. Perry, equally, to damage his campaign can not remember the names of the three federal agencies that wanted to eliminate.
This was the second debate, in less than two weeks, on foreign policy in a campaign dominated by internal affairs.
("NEWT GINGRICH WILL NOT EXPEL THE HISPANICS")
(Above per machine translation, approximation of the English.)
SPEAKER GINGRICH'S MOMENT OF GLORY VIA YOUTUBE LINK on Spanish language Univision comes at the 00:28 mark where the announcer in voice-over translates/states Newt's debate position regarding allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the United States legally. Followed by some analysis of that position.
here comes the next wave.... all knowing how to fill out those welfare forms and carrying 10 social security numbers.
Gee I wonder if that dual citizenship guy who worked for McCain that was a top advisor to the Mexican Government, is also working for Gingrich now. Or maybe with Perry or Romney, who knows? All I can say is, what a MESS. Forget this "Cain-Gingrich 2012" business of the last few weeks, folks. Someone stepped in deep dog doo-doo.
Reprehensible that this kind of INK and also TV IMAGERY and STATEMENTS are being read and seen all across the region south of the border, giving people new hope to continue to violate our borders or try to sneak additional family members in under Gingrich’s plan. Talk about “market pull.” Sheesh.
25 years, don’t speak any english, still waves the Mexican flag at soccer games.... they are really getting into the USA spirit now.
Gingrich: “...once youve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here. If youre here if youve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home, period.”
Here’s a transcript. Hopefully everyone has read it thoughtfully before concluding, like some journalists, that Gingrich “will not expel” any illegal residents.
I did vote for the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. Ronald Reagan, in his diary, says he signed it and we were supposed to have 300,000 people get amnesty; there were 3 million - but he signed it because we were going to get two things in return: We were going to get control of the border and we were going to get a guest worker program with employer enforcement.
We got neither. So I think youve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border, as the governor said. I believe ultimately you have to find some system once youve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here.
If youre here if youve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home. period. If youve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, youve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I dont think were going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.
The Krieble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you dont get a pass to citizenship. And so theres a way to ultimately end up with a country where theres no more illegality, but you havent automatically given amnesty to anyone.
I do suggest if you go back to your district, and you find people who have been here 25 years and have two generations of family and have been paying taxes and are in a local church, as somebody who believes strongly in family, youll have a hard time explaining why that particular subset is being broken up and forced to leave, given the fact that theyve been law-abiding citizens for 25 years.
I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who have been here a quarter century, who have children and grandchildren, who are members of the community, who may have done something 25 years ago, separate them from their families, and expel them.
I do believe if youve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers, but I would urge all of you to look at the Krieble Foundation Plan.
I dont see how the party that says its the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families that have been here a quarter century. And Im prepared to take the heat for saying, lets be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families.
Newt is getting ahead of himself with a simplistic and incomplete answer.
Our country must first stop the leak by securing our borders. Then Newt and the other candidates should be stating their policy positions in connection with the millions of illegal aliens in our jails. After these more important policies are implemented, then to place before the American people what to do with the law-abiding illegal aliens living in our country. "Law abiding" with the exception that they jumped the line to get into the USA.
Our Federal government is NOT implementing laws already on the books for immigration policy. The federal government is not supporting the States to carry out the laws, but instead is supporting stealth socialism, open borders, and one world government. Bad news for all of us!
"...deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border"
"...ultimately you have to find some system once youve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here."
...if youve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home, period. If youve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, youve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I dont think were going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.
The Krieble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you dont get a pass to citizenship."
I do believe if youve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers, but I would urge all of you to look at the Krieble Foundation plan.
Got it? Now let's try the thought experiment. Take Mr. Cain. Does Herman Cain think we should not:
control the border?
have a guest worker program?
have a review board for the people who are here?
deport those who came here recently and have no ties?
have very severe penalties for employers?
consider the Krieble Foundation plan?
What parts of the above do Cain, Perry or Bachmann reject?
On further reading, it doesn’t get any better.
Even as he says it isn’t amnesty, Mr. Gingrich describes and endorses amnesty.
He has fallen down the Perry Hole and won’t crawl out.
Y’all come! We need lots of illegals here to build the houses nobody will buy, and work in the gardens behind those houses that nobody will live in. Any job you don’t do, the unions have first dibs on, so if you can’t get into a union and you are a legal resident of US citizen, you’re screwed.
How many US refugees can Australia take on?
Perhaps the author of that quote should read my post 15. Gingrich offered specifics:
control the border
guest worker program
deportation in specific cases
very severe penalties for employers
He also suggested considering the Krieble Foundation plan which is even more “specific.”
At the site you linked, after it says “overall” his platform is “unhelpful,” among the evidence offered:
Gingrich says that enforcing the current law would eliminate 80 per cent of the problem
“an illegal should receive an amnesty only in exceptional circumstances.”
That seems pretty specific to me. There’s more specific stuff there, as well, including mention of a verification program.
Also, it says “Unlike many who talk about the need to secure the border, Rep. Gingrich has recently been very strong and specific about doing so.”
If you read that far...
Lady Lucky, an excellent post but you are talking over the heads of those that just want to play “gotcha” with Newt and refuse to take the time to understand the facts. It is amazing how so many read or listen to one short clip and fall into the msm frenzy which has destroyed many good candidates. I see you have done your homework
If youve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grand kids, youve been paying taxes and obeying the law...
Silly me, I thought obeying the law was obeying the law...maybe I’ve been wrong all of my life.
Let’s see here....if I understand:
They break the law to come over here in the first place.
They get on the welfare rolls and cheat the tax paying citizen.
They breed like rats since they don’t have to pay for their free babies and then get free everything else illegally by cheating the system.
They falsify SS cards and numbers.
They refuse to even attempt to assimilate into our society and expect us to change our governmental forms and rules to Spanish so they can read them.
They drive without a valid driver’s license and refuse to buy liability insurance.
A majority of them do not pay income taxes since most money is “under the table” and those who do have fake stolen SS numbers.
And the list goes on and on and on.
So, Newt, please explain the original statement above for I can’t no matter how hard I try.
Any response to the Latin pres which I have translated and reposted, and how it is perceived as AMNESTY, which in and of itself will have a magnet effect upon more unwanted incursions.
Deportation of criminals and gang members should be efficient and fast.
We must end the practice of catch and release, under which dangerous criminals here illegally are caught by law enforcement, but then quickly returned to society.
When someone is here illegally and is dangerous, there should be expedited procedures to remove them from the United States as rapidly as possible.
The current system is so cumbersome and time-consuming that many arrested non-citizens are released back into society and simply break their word and disappear. This is wrong and dangerous.
Shoot self in foot during Primaries. Why would a serious candidate talk like this during GOP Primaries?
Living on a farm, I recognize the smell of bovine scatology. You have it yet clinging to your person. Your invitations to become the party of ‘toss all the illegals out regardless’ is what has the smell of dog poo. The DNC has told Hispanics/Latinos that the Republicans will treat the illegal immigrant —regardless of any circumstances or how long in America with a History of peaceful, productive life— the way Hitler treat the Jews, with cattle cars and a herding mentality. Congratulations, poster, you are working to make that the reality. How special
So let me get this straight? In a pathetic effort to support Gingrich’s amnesty position you propose dramatic government expansion and intrusion into our lives?
Gingrich supporters are just statist RINOs.
Thanks for the post..............seems to many only read a head line and JUMP........At the debate I heard Newt talk about this issue. If you take one line, you could destroy him but when in the whole comment...I do not know why the right is eating their own.
He is for sending many back, he is for cutting off all “handouts”..............
My message to conservatives, KNOCK IT OFF, the left loves this........Do you really want Obama for another four years?
Language in the last immigration reform bill would allow illegals (legal if given amnesty) the opportunity to bring up to four relatives to the U.S.
The majority of illegals live on wages considered to be below the poverty line. Given amnesty, they would have the right to file for the “Earned Income Tax Credit”.
This would amount to a huge tax payer funded government handout of billions of dollars....even if they've paid zero in taxes.
The open borders crowd (republican and democrat) have essentially won the battle to integrate societies.
With up to 20 million illegals in this country along with millions of legal immigrants from Mexico and South America, the New World Order marches on.
Borders? Language? Culture?
He should have said “otherwise law-abiding.” But it is obvious to most, that he was not talking about overlooking identity theft, tax evasion, driving without a license, or such other offenses as you cited.
Contrary to your implication, Newt stated clearly that he is in favor of English as the official language, and even went so far as to endorse teaching history and making school children aware of the Declaration of Independence.
As for “they breed like rats,” you ought to be ashamed.
You are witnessing a frenzied hate-fest. Truth nor reason have any place in this planned irrationality. The DNC has succeeded in mischaracterizing the issues, again, with the expert help of freepers who hate Hispanics for being poor and daring to illegally immigrate to America two deacdes ago. So now one of the most eggregious humanitarian insults is to play out toward Latinos and Hispanics if the hate mongers have their way. What a spectacle, complete with confalting registering presence here and citizenship conflated to mean amnesty. The specious conflating of voluntary registration for legalization rather than criminality abd absolution citizenship is the hallmark of this hate fest. Sadly, it is an act of desperation at the thought of Newt Gingrich rising in the polls which tempts some freepers to leap onto the hate train and promote the lspecious conflating and outright lies. But they’ll tell you how honest they’re posting and how they are not mongering hate, all the while unable to see and comprehend how they are spittling forth on cue what the DNC has trapped them into expressing for the world to see. What a treat at Freerepublic. How special to spittle forth unconstrained hate toward all illegal immigrants and their families, in the name of ‘protecting Free America from MS13 and the criminal of drug cartels invading from Mexico. Oh sure, they will concede, there are some few illegals who have only broken immigration law and have lived in America peacefully for a decade or more, but they do not count where the cattle cars can rid US of the criminal element. Disgusting. One begins to see these crusaders are not so much about fixing the illegal immigration problem as they are about insuring that Newt Gingrich will not be the Republican nominee. Disgusting. And quite revealing that these samehate mongers now try to include Herman Cain in their little festival. The default candidate must end up being Milt Rominy or else in the mind of some of the agitprops. The rest are merely being herded by the stealthy.
If not, then you have no clue how illegals are infringing on our rights as American Citizens. They don't assimilate into America, in fact they want to change the way we live. They live in enclaves, many who have been here 10-25 years don't speak English, the majority are on some type of government entitlement, they manufacture SS cards, drivers license and represent the greatest percentage of arrests in any given week in our community. Under any amnesty plan they will cost the taxpayer billions of dollars more and they are set in their ways that they will not change. They have no real skills or desires to improve our Country. Most illegals see themselves as Mexicans who just happen to be lucky enough to live in the USA with all it's benefits.
Thanks back, and happy Thanksgiving, blueyon!
Mexico can't wait to get its hands on billions of foreign aid dollars.......and is mobilizing its "voting blocs" to vote several times each, to put pressure on vote-crazed pols.......the same documents used to suckup billions in state and federal tax dollars with multiple identities.
Keep in mind-impoverished latinos pay several thousand dollars to establish multiple identities with forged documents.
<><> Two Texas brothers travel across the US setting up offices in hotels, to manufacture faked and forged documents that can pass any test-drivers licenses, passports, SS cards, birth certificates, etc etc etc........the brothers have contacts with document brokers who buy the fakes and resell them on the street.
<><>At one point, the US Passport Office would not take documents from one states offce-run by a latino-b/c they were mostly faked.
<><> Jose Madrigal, the Washington state rapist, had some 30 identities.
<><> Another illegal collected $3.5 million in UI checks using false identities.Illegal Manuel Mejia Ordonez ordered to repay $3M in Calif employment fraud
REFERENCE San Francisco Chronicle | June 26, 2010
FR Posted June 26, 2010 by artichokegrower
A former Marysville resident has been sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation. US Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner said 31-year-old Manuel Mejia Ordonez was sentenced to eight years and one month in prison for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and identity theft. (Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
REFERENCE An impoverished citizen of Mexico (and others from the Third World just here for a better life) steals $3 million in unemployment claims. But that does not include all the freebies collected with multiple identities.
IRS figures show illegals use falsified documents to collect some $20 billion in EITC refunds......and on and on and on.
Oh, it's a good warm-up while I wait for my mother-in-law to fly in on her...private jet. (She flies a Whisk 666.)
Have a wonderful Thanksgiving Day, MHGinTN!
This is the link “through” google translate:
To remain in this country illegally for twenty five years, you would almost certainly have to commit the following:
Purjury-any government document that requires a signature to affirm true and correct statements. From housing to employment, from government benefits to medical treatment.
Fraud-receiving state, federal, county, municipal assistance of any kind based on false statements or forged documents.
Forgery-government documents, falsifying signatures, utilizing legal residents to obtain documents.
Embezzalment-manipulating data contained within documents in an attempt to receive payments from organizations whether public or private.
These are state and or federal felonies. This does not even come close to accounting for the numerous class A,B,C misdemeanors committed year after year to remain in this country.
Sorry, if you are here illegally, regardless of time-frame, family, church, job, you should be held to account.
Otherwise, the rule of law means absolutely zilch!
I’m jumping on my Nimbus3000 later, for a quick zip to freedom follyland. It’s really quite close-by now that FR is infected with so many Romney and DNC stealth operatives pretending to be concerned trolls and supporters of any candidate but romney or barry. No doubt the hate mongers will pour it on now that someone is deigning to oppose their hate fest. I’m outta here. If you’re sticking around for this noobies filth like bigdirty, put your Wellies on.
So let me get this straight Mr. Speaker. If Juan Ortiz-Rodriguez-Sanchez was in the USA for 25 years, but illegally took welfare, illegally filled out his tax form or used a fake ID, then he needs to go back to his native counry, RAPIDO.
I honesty think newt is a genius on this one. He completely shut down all of the talk about his consulting engagement with Freddie Fannie. He has everyone talking about how to handle immigration. When people finally read ALL of his remarks, it will be hard for anyone to disagree with the entire plan. All of this and he stays I’m the spotlight, wins over some compassionate independents, and probably gets some Hispanic votes too
He fully intended to say what he said. Ingenious
It is a hallmark of your hate fest that you want to characterize eveything in the extreme. No one running for the Republican nomination has stated an extreme position such as complete amnesty for citizenship by absolution. Yet you and your little mob want to characterize things that way, as if Gingrich or Cain has called for the extreme you speciously present. This appeal to emotional reaction rather than reasoned discussion to sort out the actual positions of the candidates is sad to witness at Freerepublic this season. If real discussion happened, we could look at the notions currently offered from the candidate field and combine the good points to fashion a reasonable and efficient wya to deal with the immigrant invasion. Instead, we have a frenzy of hate speech designed by Romney and DNC operatives to characterize conservatives and freepers as irrational. How very alinskyesque that.
Whatever! Amnesty is where it’s heading, don’t be so damn naive.
and Newt was right. Will someone explain Cain’s plan or Bachmann’s plan on rounding up and deporting 20 million illegals. Do they intend to use swat teams? how many buses will they need? how many planes to send the illegals from Europe and abroad home? they have not had the courage to touch that topic. They talk about securing the border...Newt agrees...but they do not talk about exportation. They talk about removing magnets but we will still have millions here that won’t leave despite the removal of magnets. Once again...may I ask HOW Cain and Bachmann will remove a few million? have they ever said?
And no...Newt’s plan does not lead to citizenship ahead of others already in line or guarantee anyone will stay here..there are stipulations.
But, you know, I'll take it if that's what the Hispanic press is telling Hispanic voters.
A more accurate and relevant headline would have been "Newt Gingrich will expel most Hispanics"
But don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
Cain’s plan is simple and to the point: 999
LOL LOL LOL magritte...you made my day but what about the 909 and the 333 enterprise zone plan? however, the 999 is dominant...so, he will deport 9 at a time on the 9th day of each month at 9 pm.?
” IRS figures show illegals use falsified documents to collect some $20 billion in EITC refunds......and on and on and on. “
LOL LOL LOL magritte...you made my day but what about the 909 and the 333 enterprise zone plan? however, the 999 is dominant...so, he will deport 9 at a time on the 9th day of each month at 9 pm.?