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"Newt Gingrich Will Not Expel The Hispanics" (TRANSLATION): El Heraldo, Honduras
El Heraldo (Honduras) Translated to English ^ | 24 November 2011 | El Heraldo staff

Posted on 11/24/2011 12:16:51 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo

Washington, United States

The Republican candidates differ on their ideologies in various foreign policy issues in the second Republican presidential debate.

Newt Gingrich, who more recently has emerged to the top of the race for the Republican presidential nomination, said that during his government did not expel immigrants without legal permission but already have a life founded in the United States.

The applicant added that the Republicans can not say that his party is in favor of the family when separating parents from their children who were born in the country and have citizenship.

Gingrich, also supported the antiterrorism law known as the Patriot Act, passed after the attacks of September 11, 2001, which has been criticized by civil rights advocates.

In contrast, Congressman Ron Paul said that the law "is not patriotic because it undermines our freedoms."

Paul holds libertarian stances advocating cuts in aid to Israel, the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan and the decriminalization of drugs.

The Congress is supported by a solid core of people who support him and admire his position of opposition to the current foreign policies. Either way, Ron Paul has not been able to be among the first places in the race for the nomination.

Since the candidate Romney, former governor of Massachusetts, opposed the cuts and suggested that the money is withdrawn the militia could be used to fund public health programs of Obama, which are repudiated by the Republicans.

Also, the wide range of issues gave room for many errors, especially because most applicants do not have considerable experience in international affairs.

Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, Governor Rick Perry of Texas and businessman Herman Cain so far have supported a role not so popular in today's candidacy.

Through the debate, the chances of Cain and were damaged with an incoherent response to a question from an interviewer about Libya. Perry, equally, to damage his campaign can not remember the names of the three federal agencies that wanted to eliminate.

This was the second debate, in less than two weeks, on foreign policy in a campaign dominated by internal affairs.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; amnesty; amnistia; borders; campaign; debate; gaffe; gingrich; honduras; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; iowa; newtgingrich; regularization; univision
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Original Title of Article: "Newt Gingrich no expulsará hispanos; Republicanos defendieron sus diversas posiciones referentes a la política exterior"

("NEWT GINGRICH WILL NOT EXPEL THE HISPANICS")

(Above per machine translation, approximation of the English.)

SPEAKER GINGRICH'S MOMENT OF GLORY VIA YOUTUBE LINK on Spanish language Univision comes at the 00:28 mark where the announcer in voice-over translates/states Newt's debate position regarding allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the United States legally. Followed by some analysis of that position.

1 posted on 11/24/2011 12:17:05 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo

here comes the next wave.... all knowing how to fill out those welfare forms and carrying 10 social security numbers.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 12:21:14 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Adolfo Franco, ASSISTANT TO JOHN MCCAIN in the 2008 Campaign for international and illegal alien affairs, pipes up afterward on the Univision video, with a comment in support of Gingrich's bombshell that night, that this will be good for the Republican Party....etc. etc..., Yada yada yada. [Dude, like, where's my COUNTRY? May I have it back please!!???]

Gee I wonder if that dual citizenship guy who worked for McCain that was a top advisor to the Mexican Government, is also working for Gingrich now. Or maybe with Perry or Romney, who knows? All I can say is, what a MESS. Forget this "Cain-Gingrich 2012" business of the last few weeks, folks. Someone stepped in deep dog doo-doo.

3 posted on 11/24/2011 12:26:39 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: GeronL

Reprehensible that this kind of INK and also TV IMAGERY and STATEMENTS are being read and seen all across the region south of the border, giving people new hope to continue to violate our borders or try to sneak additional family members in under Gingrich’s plan. Talk about “market pull.” Sheesh.


4 posted on 11/24/2011 12:28:18 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Hey Senor Gingrich? My old man, like, he's been here for 27 years and we ain't doin' nothing wrong, man. We are great members of "la communidad". Can we stay here, too? Can I bring in my cousins Squeaky and Dopey and Lil' Bastard and Floppy and Zipper y los otro vatos? Jefe!"


5 posted on 11/24/2011 12:44:23 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Newt is a tool of the left as seen in this video - rino on rino...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vrNm4DJoI
6 posted on 11/24/2011 12:53:30 AM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Yep.


7 posted on 11/24/2011 1:04:49 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

25 years, don’t speak any english, still waves the Mexican flag at soccer games.... they are really getting into the USA spirit now.


8 posted on 11/24/2011 1:06:35 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Here they come..




9 posted on 11/24/2011 2:01:19 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless & Inhumane)
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To: AmericanInTokyo


10 posted on 11/24/2011 3:29:28 AM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Gingrich: “...once you’ve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here. If you’re here – if you’ve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home, period.”


11 posted on 11/24/2011 3:38:12 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Here’s a transcript. Hopefully everyone has read it thoughtfully before concluding, like some journalists, that Gingrich “will not expel” any illegal residents.

“I did vote for the Simpson-Mazzoli Act. Ronald Reagan, in his diary, says he signed it – and we were supposed to have 300,000 people get amnesty; there were 3 million - but he signed it because we were going to get two things in return: We were going to get control of the border and we were going to get a guest worker program with employer enforcement.

“We got neither. So I think you’ve got to deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border, as the governor said. I believe ultimately you have to find some system – once you’ve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here.

“If you’re here – if you’ve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home. period. If you’ve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, you’ve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.”

“The Krieble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you don’t get a pass to citizenship. And so there’s a way to ultimately end up with a country where there’s no more illegality, but you haven’t automatically given amnesty to anyone.”

“I do suggest if you go back to your district, and you find people who have been here 25 years and have two generations of family and have been paying taxes and are in a local church, as somebody who believes strongly in family, you’ll have a hard time explaining why that particular subset is being broken up and forced to leave, given the fact that they’ve been law-abiding citizens for 25 years.”

“I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who have been here a quarter century, who have children and grandchildren, who are members of the community, who may have done something 25 years ago, separate them from their families, and expel them.”

“I do believe if you’ve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers, but I would urge all of you to look at the Krieble Foundation Plan.”

“I don’t see how the party that says it’s the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families that have been here a quarter century. And I’m prepared to take the heat for saying, let’s be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families.”


12 posted on 11/24/2011 3:43:19 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: GeronL; AmericanInTokyo; Fred; Lady Lucky
You know you suck on immigration when NumbersUSA ranks you lower than uber-liberal Barbara Boxer.


13 posted on 11/24/2011 3:55:37 AM PST by South40
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"Newt Gingrich Will Not Expel The Hispanics" (TRANSLATION): El Heraldo, Honduras

Newt is getting ahead of himself with a simplistic and incomplete answer.

Our country must first stop the leak by securing our borders. Then Newt and the other candidates should be stating their policy positions in connection with the millions of illegal aliens in our jails. After these more important policies are implemented, then to place before the American people what to do with the law-abiding illegal aliens living in our country. "Law abiding" with the exception that they jumped the line to get into the USA.

Our Federal government is NOT implementing laws already on the books for immigration policy. The federal government is not supporting the States to carry out the laws, but instead is supporting stealth socialism, open borders, and one world government. Bad news for all of us!

14 posted on 11/24/2011 4:14:22 AM PST by olezip
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To: South40
For those of you too busy to read Newt's full remarks, here's the highlights. Imagine your preferred candidate saying them. Read them again and try to find the parts your candidate would reject:

"...deal with this as a comprehensive approach that starts with controlling the border"

"...ultimately you have to find some system – once you’ve put every piece in place, which includes the guest worker program, you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here."

“...if you’ve come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home, period. If you’ve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, you’ve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.”

“The Krieble Foundation is a very good red card program that says you get to be legal, but you don’t get a pass to citizenship."

“I do believe if you’ve been here recently and have no ties to the US, we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers, but I would urge all of you to look at the Krieble Foundation plan.”

Got it? Now let's try the thought experiment. Take Mr. Cain. Does Herman Cain think we should not:

control the border?
have a guest worker program?
have a review board for the people who are here?
deport those who came here recently and have no ties?
have very severe penalties for employers?
consider the Krieble Foundation plan?

What parts of the above do Cain, Perry or Bachmann reject?

15 posted on 11/24/2011 4:25:01 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky
"While in Congress in the 1980s and 1990s, Gingrich tended to support illegal-alien amnesties. Later, he made fairly specific arguments against mass legalizations. But recently, his statements have lacked any clarity about what he proposes actually doing with the millions of illegal aliens. Overall, his platform on amnesties is Unhelpful."


https://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/newt-gingrich.html

16 posted on 11/24/2011 4:34:10 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless & Inhumane)
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To: Lady Lucky

On further reading, it doesn’t get any better.

Even as he says it isn’t amnesty, Mr. Gingrich describes and endorses amnesty.

He has fallen down the Perry Hole and won’t crawl out.


17 posted on 11/24/2011 4:56:52 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012 -- the man we need at the time we need him)
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To: GeronL

Y’all come! We need lots of illegals here to build the houses nobody will buy, and work in the gardens behind those houses that nobody will live in. Any job you don’t do, the unions have first dibs on, so if you can’t get into a union and you are a legal resident of US citizen, you’re screwed.

How many US refugees can Australia take on?


18 posted on 11/24/2011 5:03:44 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Perhaps the author of that quote should read my post 15. Gingrich offered specifics:

control the border
guest worker program
review board
deportation in specific cases
very severe penalties for employers

He also suggested considering the Krieble Foundation plan which is even more “specific.”

At the site you linked, after it says “overall” his platform is “unhelpful,” among the evidence offered:

Gingrich says that enforcing the current law would eliminate 80 per cent of the problem

and

“an illegal should receive an amnesty only in exceptional circumstances.”

That seems pretty specific to me. There’s more specific stuff there, as well, including mention of a verification program.

Also, it says “Unlike many who talk about the need to secure the border, Rep. Gingrich has recently been very strong and specific about doing so.”

If you read that far...


19 posted on 11/24/2011 5:05:58 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky

Lady Lucky, an excellent post but you are talking over the heads of those that just want to play “gotcha” with Newt and refuse to take the time to understand the facts. It is amazing how so many read or listen to one short clip and fall into the msm frenzy which has destroyed many good candidates. I see you have done your homework


20 posted on 11/24/2011 5:08:41 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Lady Lucky

If you’ve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grand kids, you’ve been paying taxes and obeying the law...


Ok? Somehow I have a problem understanding what the “obeying the law” statement is.

Silly me, I thought obeying the law was obeying the law...maybe I’ve been wrong all of my life.

Let’s see here....if I understand:

They break the law to come over here in the first place.

They get on the welfare rolls and cheat the tax paying citizen.

They breed like rats since they don’t have to pay for their free babies and then get free everything else illegally by cheating the system.

They falsify SS cards and numbers.

They refuse to even attempt to assimilate into our society and expect us to change our governmental forms and rules to Spanish so they can read them.

They drive without a valid driver’s license and refuse to buy liability insurance.

A majority of them do not pay income taxes since most money is “under the table” and those who do have fake stolen SS numbers.

And the list goes on and on and on.

So, Newt, please explain the original statement above for I can’t no matter how hard I try.


21 posted on 11/24/2011 5:09:30 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: South40
Viralize it! ALL THROUGHOUT IOWA!
22 posted on 11/24/2011 5:12:23 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: katiedidit1

Any response to the Latin pres which I have translated and reposted, and how it is perceived as AMNESTY, which in and of itself will have a magnet effect upon more unwanted incursions.


23 posted on 11/24/2011 5:14:17 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Deportation of criminals and gang members should be efficient and fast.

We must end the practice of “catch and release,” under which dangerous criminals here illegally are caught by law enforcement, but then quickly returned to society.

When someone is here illegally and is dangerous, there should be expedited procedures to remove them from the United States as rapidly as possible.

The current system is so cumbersome and time-consuming that many arrested non-citizens are released back into society and simply break their word and disappear. This is wrong and dangerous.
Newt Gingrich


24 posted on 11/24/2011 5:15:01 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Shoot self in foot during Primaries. Why would a serious candidate talk like this during GOP Primaries?


25 posted on 11/24/2011 5:19:03 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: South40
We need a system that enforces the rule of law, ensures that those who broke the law pay a stiff penalty, but also acknowledges that it is neither optimal nor feasible nor humane to deport every single illegal immigrant. We need a path to legality, but not citizenship, for some of these individuals who have deep ties to America, including family, church and community ties. We also need a path to swift but dignified repatriation for those who are transient and have no roots in America. Newt Gingrich is 100% right!!! grasp the facts and what he said not the media hype We need a process that can distinguish at the human level. Congress must charge the Department of Justice to establish a “citizens’ review” process for those here outside the law. It would establish committees to process these cases in individual communities and determine who will continue on this path to legality, and who will be sent home. Congress must define understandable, clear, objective legal standards that will be applied equally during this process. While this process is ongoing, those here outside the law will be granted Temporary Legal Status for a certain, limited period of time until all have had the opportunity to apply and appear in front of committees. Applicants must first pass a criminal background check, and then the local committees will assess applications based on family and community ties, and ability to support oneself via employment without the assistance of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and other entitlement programs. The government will rigorously enforce a requirement that all individuals seeking this path to legality must be able to prove that they can independently pay for private health insurance. If an individual cannot prove this, they will lose the ability to stay in the United States. Furthermore, proficiency in English within a certain number of years, similar to the requirement for naturalization, will be required for anyone who seeks continued legal status in the United States. Once an applicant has been granted the right to obtain legal status, he or she will have to pay a penalty of at least $5,000. Moving forward, those who receive this status will have to prove on a regular basis that they can support themselves without entitlement programs and pay for health insurance or else risk the ability to stay in the United States.
26 posted on 11/24/2011 5:21:26 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Living on a farm, I recognize the smell of bovine scatology. You have it yet clinging to your person. Your invitations to become the party of ‘toss all the illegals out regardless’ is what has the smell of dog poo. The DNC has told Hispanics/Latinos that the Republicans will treat the illegal immigrant —regardless of any circumstances or how long in America with a History of peaceful, productive life— the way Hitler treat the Jews, with cattle cars and a herding mentality. Congratulations, poster, you are working to make that the reality. How special


27 posted on 11/24/2011 5:27:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: katiedidit1

So let me get this straight? In a pathetic effort to support Gingrich’s amnesty position you propose dramatic government expansion and intrusion into our lives?

Gingrich supporters are just statist RINOs.


28 posted on 11/24/2011 5:28:58 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Lady Lucky

Thanks for the post..............seems to many only read a head line and JUMP........At the debate I heard Newt talk about this issue. If you take one line, you could destroy him but when in the whole comment...I do not know why the right is eating their own.
He is for sending many back, he is for cutting off all “handouts”..............
My message to conservatives, KNOCK IT OFF, the left loves this........Do you really want Obama for another four years?


29 posted on 11/24/2011 5:31:59 AM PST by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: GeronL
Here's one that’ll get’cha.

Language in the last immigration reform bill would allow illegals (legal if given amnesty) the opportunity to bring up to four relatives to the U.S.

The majority of illegals live on wages considered to be below the poverty line. Given amnesty, they would have the right to file for the “Earned Income Tax Credit”.

This would amount to a huge tax payer funded government handout of billions of dollars....even if they've paid zero in taxes.

The open borders crowd (republican and democrat) have essentially won the battle to integrate societies.

With up to 20 million illegals in this country along with millions of legal immigrants from Mexico and South America, the New World Order marches on.

Borders? Language? Culture?

30 posted on 11/24/2011 5:34:24 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: DH

He should have said “otherwise law-abiding.” But it is obvious to most, that he was not talking about overlooking identity theft, tax evasion, driving without a license, or such other offenses as you cited.

Contrary to your implication, Newt stated clearly that he is in favor of English as the official language, and even went so far as to endorse teaching history and making school children aware of the Declaration of Independence.

As for “they breed like rats,” you ought to be ashamed.


31 posted on 11/24/2011 5:42:54 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Lady Lucky

You are witnessing a frenzied hate-fest. Truth nor reason have any place in this planned irrationality. The DNC has succeeded in mischaracterizing the issues, again, with the expert help of freepers who hate Hispanics for being poor and daring to illegally immigrate to America two deacdes ago. So now one of the most eggregious humanitarian insults is to play out toward Latinos and Hispanics if the hate mongers have their way. What a spectacle, complete with confalting registering presence here and citizenship conflated to mean amnesty. The specious conflating of voluntary registration for legalization rather than criminality abd absolution citizenship is the hallmark of this hate fest. Sadly, it is an act of desperation at the thought of Newt Gingrich rising in the polls which tempts some freepers to leap onto the hate train and promote the lspecious conflating and outright lies. But they’ll tell you how honest they’re posting and how they are not mongering hate, all the while unable to see and comprehend how they are spittling forth on cue what the DNC has trapped them into expressing for the world to see. What a treat at Freerepublic. How special to spittle forth unconstrained hate toward all illegal immigrants and their families, in the name of ‘protecting Free America from MS13 and the criminal of drug cartels invading from Mexico. Oh sure, they will concede, there are some few illegals who have only broken immigration law and have lived in America peacefully for a decade or more, but they do not count where the cattle cars can rid US of the criminal element. Disgusting. One begins to see these crusaders are not so much about fixing the illegal immigration problem as they are about insuring that Newt Gingrich will not be the Republican nominee. Disgusting. And quite revealing that these samehate mongers now try to include Herman Cain in their little festival. The default candidate must end up being Milt Rominy or else in the mind of some of the agitprops. The rest are merely being herded by the stealthy.


32 posted on 11/24/2011 5:43:00 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: katiedidit1
Do you or lucky lady live in any red zone shown in post #9 ?

If not, then you have no clue how illegals are infringing on our rights as American Citizens. They don't assimilate into America, in fact they want to change the way we live. They live in enclaves, many who have been here 10-25 years don't speak English, the majority are on some type of government entitlement, they manufacture SS cards, drivers license and represent the greatest percentage of arrests in any given week in our community. Under any amnesty plan they will cost the taxpayer billions of dollars more and they are set in their ways that they will not change. They have no real skills or desires to improve our Country. Most illegals see themselves as Mexicans who just happen to be lucky enough to live in the USA with all it's benefits.

33 posted on 11/24/2011 5:43:52 AM PST by not2worry
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To: blueyon

Thanks back, and happy Thanksgiving, blueyon!


34 posted on 11/24/2011 5:45:41 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: GeronL; South40; rintense; LucyT; indylindy; BobL; Condor51; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; ...
.....here comes the next wave of illegals....ready to falsify forms to ride the US gravy train....all of them carrying 10 social security numbers and multiple stolen/forged identities........

Mexico can't wait to get its hands on billions of foreign aid dollars.......and is mobilizing its "voting blocs" to vote several times each, to put pressure on vote-crazed pols.......the same documents used to suckup billions in state and federal tax dollars with multiple identities.

Keep in mind-—”impoverished” latinos pay several thousand dollars to establish multiple identities with forged documents.

<><> Two Texas brothers travel across the US setting up offices in hotels, to manufacture faked and forged documents that can pass any test-—drivers’ licenses, passports, SS cards, birth certificates, etc etc etc........the brothers have contacts with document brokers who buy the fakes and resell them on the street.

<><>At one point, the US Passport Office would not take documents from one state’s offce-—run by a latino-—b/c they were mostly faked.

<><> Jose Madrigal, the Washington state rapist, had some 30 identities.

<><> Another illegal collected $3.5 million in UI checks using false identities.Illegal Manuel Mejia Ordonez ordered to repay $3M in Calif employment fraud

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REFERENCE San Francisco Chronicle | June 26, 2010
FR Posted June 26, 2010 by artichokegrower

A former Marysville resident has been sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation. US Attorney Benjamin B. Wagner said 31-year-old Manuel Mejia Ordonez was sentenced to eight years and one month in prison for conspiracy to commit mail fraud and identity theft. (Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...

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REFERENCE An impoverished citizen of Mexico (and others from the Third World just here for a “better life”) steals $3 million in unemployment claims. But that does not include all the freebies collected with multiple identities.

IRS figures show illegals use falsified documents to collect some $20 billion in EITC refunds......and on and on and on.

35 posted on 11/24/2011 5:48:20 AM PST by Liz
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To: MHGinTN
You are witnessing a frenzied hate-fest.

Oh, it's a good warm-up while I wait for my mother-in-law to fly in on her...private jet. (She flies a Whisk 666.)

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving Day, MHGinTN!

36 posted on 11/24/2011 5:51:48 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: AmericanInTokyo

This is the link “through” google translate:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elheraldo.hn%2FSintesis%2FLo-ultimo%2FEdiciones%2F2011%2F11%2F24%2FNoticias%2FNewt-Gingrich-no-expulsara-hispanos


37 posted on 11/24/2011 5:51:57 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: DH
>>They falsify SS cards and numbers.<<

To remain in this country illegally for twenty five years, you would almost certainly have to commit the following:

Purjury-any government document that requires a signature to affirm true and correct statements. From housing to employment, from government benefits to medical treatment.

Fraud-receiving state, federal, county, municipal assistance of any kind based on false statements or forged documents.

Forgery-government documents, falsifying signatures, utilizing legal residents to obtain documents.

Embezzalment-manipulating data contained within documents in an attempt to receive payments from organizations whether public or private.

These are state and or federal felonies. This does not even come close to accounting for the numerous class A,B,C misdemeanors committed year after year to remain in this country.

Sorry, if you are here illegally, regardless of time-frame, family, church, job, you should be held to account.

Otherwise, the rule of law means absolutely zilch!

38 posted on 11/24/2011 5:56:50 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Lady Lucky

I’m jumping on my Nimbus3000 later, for a quick zip to freedom follyland. It’s really quite close-by now that FR is infected with so many Romney and DNC stealth operatives pretending to be concerned trolls and supporters of any candidate but romney or barry. No doubt the hate mongers will pour it on now that someone is deigning to oppose their hate fest. I’m outta here. If you’re sticking around for this noobies filth like bigdirty, put your Wellies on.


39 posted on 11/24/2011 6:03:07 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Lady Lucky
If you’ve been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, you’ve been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.”

So let me get this straight Mr. Speaker. If Juan Ortiz-Rodriguez-Sanchez was in the USA for 25 years, but illegally took welfare, illegally filled out his tax form or used a fake ID, then he needs to go back to his native counry, RAPIDO.

40 posted on 11/24/2011 6:06:00 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (The unemployment problem only can be solved when Obama is unemployed.)
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To: katiedidit1

I honesty think newt is a genius on this one. He completely shut down all of the talk about his consulting engagement with Freddie Fannie. He has everyone talking about how to handle immigration. When people finally read ALL of his remarks, it will be hard for anyone to disagree with the entire plan. All of this and he stays I’m the spotlight, wins over some compassionate independents, and probably gets some Hispanic votes too

He fully intended to say what he said. Ingenious


41 posted on 11/24/2011 6:11:14 AM PST by AdamBomb
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To: servantboy777

It is a hallmark of your hate fest that you want to characterize eveything in the extreme. No one running for the Republican nomination has stated an extreme position such as complete amnesty for citizenship by absolution. Yet you and your little mob want to characterize things that way, as if Gingrich or Cain has called for the extreme you speciously present. This appeal to emotional reaction rather than reasoned discussion to sort out the actual positions of the candidates is sad to witness at Freerepublic this season. If real discussion happened, we could look at the notions currently offered from the candidate field and combine the good points to fashion a reasonable and efficient wya to deal with the immigrant invasion. Instead, we have a frenzy of hate speech designed by Romney and DNC operatives to characterize conservatives and freepers as irrational. How very alinskyesque that.


42 posted on 11/24/2011 6:11:24 AM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Whatever! Amnesty is where it’s heading, don’t be so damn naive.


43 posted on 11/24/2011 6:18:00 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: AdamBomb

and Newt was right. Will someone explain Cain’s plan or Bachmann’s plan on rounding up and deporting 20 million illegals. Do they intend to use swat teams? how many buses will they need? how many planes to send the illegals from Europe and abroad home? they have not had the courage to touch that topic. They talk about securing the border...Newt agrees...but they do not talk about exportation. They talk about removing magnets but we will still have millions here that won’t leave despite the removal of magnets. Once again...may I ask HOW Cain and Bachmann will remove a few million? have they ever said?

And no...Newt’s plan does not lead to citizenship ahead of others already in line or guarantee anyone will stay here..there are stipulations.


44 posted on 11/24/2011 6:44:10 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
That's a pretty strange interpretation as to what Newt actually said.

But, you know, I'll take it if that's what the Hispanic press is telling Hispanic voters.

A more accurate and relevant headline would have been "Newt Gingrich will expel most Hispanics"

But don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

45 posted on 11/24/2011 6:46:34 AM PST by Tribune7 (Perry, Newt, Cain or Santorum)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
What is Cain's plan on deportation? Bachmann's plan? details on how they are going to round em up and head em out? millions? secure the borders..fine and we all agree on that...doing away with the magnets is also fine and we all agree with that but still all the illegals here are NOT going to leave. HOW do we pay for deportation? "How Much Does it Cost to Deport 392,000 People? By Elise Foley Thursday, October 07, 2010 at 4:08 pm 12 Comments Share53 Roughly $9.2 billion, according to figures from a March report on the per-immigrant cost of each step of the removal process. The numbers are estimates, of course, but it is still useful to illustrate the high costs behind the record number of deportations the DHS announced yesterday. There are a number of costs involved in the removal process. First, illegal immigrants must be apprehended, which requires local law enforcement, Border Patrol and a number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement programs and offices. Next, they must be detained, and then processed through the legal system. Finally, illegal immigrants must be transported back to their native countries. Here are the per-person costs listed in the Center for American Progress report released in March: Apprehension: $18,310 Detention: $3,355 Legal processing: $817 Transportation: $1,000 In total, that’s $23,480 for each of the 392,000 people the U.S. removed last year, or $9,204,944,000. Of course, many of those deported were convicted criminals, meaning they would have had imposed high costs had they remained in the country. While numbers vary from state to state, on average it costs at least $60 per day (or $1,800 per month) to incarcerate prisoners. this problem has been allowed to fester for years and under both parties. Reagan granted amnesty to thousands but there was supposed to be a tight security and border control follow up that never took place.
46 posted on 11/24/2011 6:58:59 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

Cain’s plan is simple and to the point: 999


47 posted on 11/24/2011 7:10:42 AM PST by magritte
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To: magritte

LOL LOL LOL magritte...you made my day but what about the 909 and the 333 enterprise zone plan? however, the 999 is dominant...so, he will deport 9 at a time on the 9th day of each month at 9 pm.?


48 posted on 11/24/2011 7:15:29 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Liz; All

” IRS figures show illegals use falsified documents to collect some $20 billion in EITC refunds......and on and on and on. “

Disgusting !


49 posted on 11/24/2011 7:17:55 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: katiedidit1

LOL LOL LOL magritte...you made my day but what about the 909 and the 333 enterprise zone plan? however, the 999 is dominant...so, he will deport 9 at a time on the 9th day of each month at 9 pm.?


999


50 posted on 11/24/2011 7:19:59 AM PST by magritte
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