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The Civil War Is Over: Let The Battle Flag Be
The American Thinker ^ | 11/24/2011 | Steven Simpson

Posted on 11/24/2011 7:25:50 AM PST by octavius21

Over the past several months, the NAACP has launched a campaign against the Confederate Battle Flag by protesting its presence at the South Carolina statehouse. Governor Nikki Haley did not respond to the demands of the NAACP to remove it. In a similar matter, black protesters have called for the removal of the Battle Flag from a Georgian cemetery that happens to have interred the bones of Confederate soldiers. And now, most recently, Republican presidential candidate Governor Rick Perry of Texas has become the newest target of the NAACP over whether the Battle Flag should appear on license plates. In the end, Perry decided against the idea.

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Interesting article on the hypocrisy of the leftists and reverse racists who want to tear down everything that is Southern with tearing down everything American as their ultimate goal. Indeed, leave the Battle Flag alone.
1 posted on 11/24/2011 7:25:54 AM PST by octavius21
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To: octavius21

This yankee has never had any issues with it.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 7:29:47 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: octavius21

Good Lord, it’s the battle flag not the CSA flag. What is it with these people?


3 posted on 11/24/2011 7:34:47 AM PST by WHBates
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To: octavius21

The race baiting NAALCP can kiss my southern butt.
Oh, and Happy Thanksgiving!


4 posted on 11/24/2011 7:42:22 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: octavius21
More cheap shots to get Boama more time to destroy America.
5 posted on 11/24/2011 7:42:50 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: octavius21
Nikki must be a white supremacist .... uh, wait...
6 posted on 11/24/2011 7:43:26 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: WHBates

Facts, we don’t need no stinking facts. It is offensive. It is racist. It is... well, something to protest about.

Opponents better stop stirring the hornets nest.

Deo vindice


7 posted on 11/24/2011 7:46:35 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: WHBates
Good Lord, it’s the battle flag not the CSA flag. What is it with these people?

Maybe they should fly the Bonnie Blue flag. These leftists were all educated in publick skools, so they wouldn't have any notion what it was.


8 posted on 11/24/2011 7:50:18 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Newt Gingrich: The go to guy when you're down to the bottom of the bottom of the barrel...)
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To: EternalVigilance

The leftists wouldn’t recognize the song either.


9 posted on 11/24/2011 7:54:43 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: EternalVigilance

Funny thing is that the American flag we all know wasn’t standardized till well after the civil war anyway. As far as battle flags go, virtually every little town that supplied soldiers had their own flag, both north and south.

http://seekingmichigan.myshopify.com/collections/michigan-civil-war-battle-flags


10 posted on 11/24/2011 7:57:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: WHBates

You’re right. The official Confederate flag bore no resemblance to the battle flag but the “offended” don’t have to be right...just loud. It’s part of our (Southerners) history and the blood that was shed for a cause the South believed in makes BOTH flags revelent in OUR history. BTW, I’m not a racist just a proud Southerner.


11 posted on 11/24/2011 7:57:14 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: EternalVigilance

You ain’t just whistlin’ Dixie with that flag......that’s my favorite! :).....oh Lord, now I’ll be humming the tune all day. LOL


12 posted on 11/24/2011 7:59:06 AM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I have, on occasion, displayed a Hardee Flag. Very few people know anything about it.
13 posted on 11/24/2011 8:03:55 AM PST by schurmann
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To: octavius21

EXCELLENT column!


14 posted on 11/24/2011 8:05:53 AM PST by patriot preacher
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To: EternalVigilance

I have flown both the Bonnie Blue and the first Confederate National flag in front of my house and no one around knew what they were.


15 posted on 11/24/2011 8:06:53 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: octavius21

The 1st amend means nothing to the leftist aka progressives!


16 posted on 11/24/2011 8:07:29 AM PST by DMG2FUN
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To: octavius21

...After General Robert E. Lee’s surrender, President Abraham Lincoln said: “Now Let the Band Play Dixie; it belongs neither to the South, nor to the North but to us all.”


17 posted on 11/24/2011 8:10:31 AM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: WHBates
What is it with these people?

Most of them wouldn't know the CSA flag if they saw it.

18 posted on 11/24/2011 8:13:28 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: cripplecreek

This one has. Stick the thing in a museum if you want. It’s not a ‘’racist’’ thing with me. More people were enslaved under the Stars and Stripes than the Stars and Bars. To be it represents the emblem of secessionist treason. And Happy Thanksgiving to all you Americans, Yankess and Rebs.


19 posted on 11/24/2011 8:16:39 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: DMG2FUN
The 1st amend means nothing to the leftist aka progressives!

Nah, that whole 1st Amendment thing is only for causes they support. When it is something they disagree with, so-called "liberals" and "progressives" are anything but tolerant. The hypocrisy would be funny if they weren't so serious about it.

20 posted on 11/24/2011 8:16:56 AM PST by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: cripplecreek

Same for this Yankee!


21 posted on 11/24/2011 8:25:37 AM PST by octavius21
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To: cripplecreek

And this Yankee has never had a problem with it either! Let the South have their symbols. The blacks have their “liberation” flag!


22 posted on 11/24/2011 8:25:39 AM PST by octavius21
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To: jmacusa

“To be it represents the emblem of secessionist treason. “

So, I guess to you then the US flag would also represent such a thing since the colonies committed secessionist treason against its original country of Great Britain.

Think of why the Confederates wanted to leave the union and think how that is even more relevant today.


23 posted on 11/24/2011 8:27:54 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: schurmann
I have a Van Dorn Battle Flag that was used at the Battles of Iuka and Corinth. The average person thinks me a Shriner.
24 posted on 11/24/2011 8:31:10 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: octavius21

Whether the xeno-citizens like it or not, the Stars and Bars are a big part of American history. If the xeno-citizens can’t handle that, they might just want to go somewhere else.


25 posted on 11/24/2011 8:37:37 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: cripplecreek

I’ll not make it an issue, but as one whose ancestor ascended Marye’s Heights with the Irish Brigade I see it as a symbol of a treason that cost 600,000 lives, the equivelant today is 6 million. If those in the South have ancestor’s whose martial valor is a source of pride,so be it. But secession brought death, famine, and long lived misery to the people of the Confederacy. Sherman’s regiments may have held the torches but the fire eaters lit the flame and their homes reaped the whirlwind.


26 posted on 11/24/2011 8:39:06 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: CodeToad

Not even close in your logic pal. The colonists were ‘’subjects’’ of a monarchy wanting to establish a new country based on freedom and equality. Not secessionists looking to create their own slave-holding empire.


27 posted on 11/24/2011 8:39:12 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: CodeToad

It is remarkable to me that they make the comment like that dude did and not realize we did the very same thing with the “mother country” and they cant make the connection.

Then, they do not know this, that US Grant would have sided with the south IF, they would not have attacked Fort Sumter. When they did that, he opposed the south.

There are a lot of people that immigrated up here from Alabama and Miss when Grant turned them loose after capturing Vicksburg. Those boys had enough and went north looking for work and my folks gave them that work-later (after the war) sold them property so they could farm and build their own places for their families.


28 posted on 11/24/2011 8:39:44 AM PST by crz
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To: octavius21

I’ve noticed several articles in the past few months that show a revisionist history slight to the Gadsen Flag, similar to what has happened to the Stars/Bars.

The Gadsen flag is becoming known as the “Tea Party” flag.


29 posted on 11/24/2011 8:41:02 AM PST by Rebelbase (Yes we Cain!)
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To: vetvetdoug
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30 posted on 11/24/2011 8:41:16 AM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: octavius21

If the dopes have a problem with the Battle Flag, then they should also have a problem with the flag of Africa, since their African relatives sold their own people into slavery. I’m sick of the NAACP trying to promote black history, by demanding the eradication of someone else’s history.


31 posted on 11/24/2011 8:46:21 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Inyo-Mono

i fly the battle flag and also have one on on my truck tag.


32 posted on 11/24/2011 8:55:08 AM PST by old gringo
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To: xkaydet65
First you say: "I’ll not make it an issue,..."

And then you proceed to do just that.

Once the Confederacy was formed, by popular vote of the people, there was no treason issue....just separation.

You should be much more careful in referencing General William T. Sherman, because he embodied the evil spirit, the misdirected intellect, and the vile will that the North wanted to impose on the South.

Here is General Sherman for all to see as he was...........a man guilty of war crimes.


The young bloods of the South . . . [are] men who never did work and never will. War suits them, and the rascals are brave, fine riders, bold to rashness and dangerous in every sense. . . . They hate Yankees per se, and don't bother their brains about the past, present or future. As long as they have good horses, plenty of forage, and an open country, they are happy. This is a larger class than most men suppose, and they are the most dangerous set of men that this war has turned loose upon the world. . . . These men must all be killed or employed by us before we can hope for peace.


Memoirs of W. T. Sherman, p. 526 (bracketed word added) http://books.google.com/books?id=_HM3v1 ... #PPA526,M1


I was satisfied, and have been all the time, that the problem of war consists in the awful fact that the present class of men who rule the south must be killed outright rather than in the conquest of territory.


--Letter of William Tecumseh Sherman to General Philip Sheridan, quoted in David Hanson, The Soul of Battle, p. 208 http://www.amazon.com/Soul-Battle-Ancie ... 116&sr=1-1


. . . I fear the world will jump to the wrong conclusion that because I am in Atlanta the work is done. Far from it. We must kill three hundred thousand I have told you so often, and the further they run the harder for us to get them.


--Letter of W. T. Sherman to his wife, Ibid.

This is the type of Field Commander that Lincoln let loose on the South. He is just as guilty as was Sherman.

33 posted on 11/24/2011 9:00:05 AM PST by PeaRidge
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To: jmacusa

“Not secessionists looking to create their own slave-holding empire.”

You’re just a racist that believes in southern white people being evil. You’re a known quantity, Non-Sequitur.


34 posted on 11/24/2011 9:09:14 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: jmacusa

“Not secessionists looking to create their own slave-holding empire.”

P.S. That was one of the dumbest statements you’ve ever made, and you’ve made some dumb ones. The Brits were a slave holding empire and we were them. Just where did you think we all came from, anyway? Somehow before the war all the British subjects left and we Americans then fought the British? Maybe the Brits won the war and then they all left and we magically appeared?


35 posted on 11/24/2011 9:12:27 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: octavius21

The blacks won’t be happy until the GA state flag has 50 cent’s picture on it. I’m sick of 13% of the population running the show. There is nothing wrong with the Stars and Bars. Its part of Southern history just like the song “Dixie”.


36 posted on 11/24/2011 9:13:42 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: crz

This guy is a known idiot. He argues that anything southern is just a racist white person. He’s a total left wing liberal. He once claimed killing all southern people is justified. He forgets his beloved north also had slaves, started the slave trade, and held slaves through the war.


37 posted on 11/24/2011 9:14:44 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: jmacusa

“It’s not a ‘’racist’’ thing with me. More people were enslaved under the Stars and Stripes than the Stars and Bars.”

“Not secessionists looking to create their own slave-holding empire.”

You contradict yourself.


38 posted on 11/24/2011 9:19:18 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: PeaRidge

I have no problem referencing Cump. His methods of war were designed to inflict maximum punishment on his enemy and break its will to fight. His success hastened the end of the war and the bloodletting. Unlike General Lee who sacrificed men on both sides for honor and a cause that was lost the moment Grant moved South after The Wilderness and it became a war of attrition. As to your reference material. None of it is unfamiliar to me, and I do not run from it. In fact I, as the descendant of a warrior ot the Army of the Potomac, wish those sentiments had informed the strategic vision of its generals.


39 posted on 11/24/2011 9:25:38 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: mass55th
"If the dopes have a problem with the Battle Flag, then they should also have a problem with the flag of Africa, since their African relatives sold their own people into slavery. I’m sick of the NAACP trying to promote black history, by demanding the eradication of someone else’s history."

Worth repeating! Africans are as guilty, even today, of slavery. The racist blacks just want white man's money, that is all. They want freebies in the name of people that lived 150 years ago. Funny, NONE ever want to go back to Africa, even though they had a nation created for them: Liberia. Still exists today. Here is their flag, notice the US flag similarities.


40 posted on 11/24/2011 9:26:09 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: PeaRidge

I have no problem referencing Cump. His methods of war were designed to inflict maximum punishment on his enemy and break its will to fight. His success hastened the end of the war and the bloodletting. Unlike General Lee who sacrificed men on both sides for honor and a cause that was lost the moment Grant moved South after The Wilderness and it became a war of attrition. As to your reference material. None of it is unfamiliar to me, and I do not run from it. In fact I, as the descendant of a warrior of the Army of the Potomac, wish those sentiments had informed the strategic vision of its generals. As to making it an issue, read my “so be it” comment. Opining about the issue and insisting that others agree are two entirely different things. If you want to fly your color I’ll support no effort to prevent you.


41 posted on 11/24/2011 9:30:53 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: xkaydet65

Apologies for double post.


42 posted on 11/24/2011 9:32:01 AM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: CodeToad

I’m not ‘’non-Sequitur’’, who ever he/she is, slavery WAS what the damn war was about, I’m not a racist and you are about the stupidest , bigoted thing the Good Lord ever put the breath into. If you won’t stand behind these colors(The Stars and Stripes) then you need to find another flag in another country .


43 posted on 11/24/2011 9:41:46 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
"Stick the thing in a museum if you want. It’s not a ‘’racist’’ thing with me. More people were enslaved under the Stars and Stripes than the Stars and Bars. To be it represents the emblem of secessionist treason."

Dude, WTF! It's a little early to be hitting the bottle that hard.

44 posted on 11/24/2011 9:43:13 AM PST by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / The democrat party "Can Go Straight To Hell".)
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To: CodeToad

Contradiction? Were you born stupid or do you work at it? It’s a simple statement of historical fact that were people were enslaved under the Stars and Stripes that the Stars and Bars. It’s a fact. A tragic one for sure but it’s a fact none the less.


45 posted on 11/24/2011 9:44:07 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: ArchAngel1983

Dude, I gave that sh!t up 21 years ago. Maybe you ought to look in the mirror. Have a nice Thanksgiving.


46 posted on 11/24/2011 9:45:45 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: jmacusa
"Maybe you ought to look in the mirror."

I have . . and I do hit the sauce pretty hard on occasion, but never before noon. Happy Thanksgiving to you too!

47 posted on 11/24/2011 10:08:14 AM PST by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / The democrat party "Can Go Straight To Hell".)
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To: octavius21
The NAACP brings up the CBF whenever they feel their relevance is threatened. Its a way to get publicity and further their treasured victimhood. Because the NAACP has embraced Obama to the 99%, they are becoming irrelevant so out comes the outrage against all things to do with the Confederacy. I have been following the actions of this issue for over thirty years and this has been holding true.
48 posted on 11/24/2011 10:08:55 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: jmacusa

Pretty flag. Happy Thanksgiving


49 posted on 11/24/2011 10:23:40 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: octavius21

In the discussions about tha Battle Flag, I’ve always found it interesting that few, if any, comment that, except for the civil war years, those Confederate states were under “Old Glory!” So, where’s the call to ban the “Red, White and Blue?”


50 posted on 11/24/2011 11:12:05 AM PST by cpa4you (CPA4YOU)
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