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Rep. King denounces Gingrich immigration plan as 'amnesty
The Hill ^ | 112311 | Justin Sink

Posted on 11/24/2011 9:59:07 AM PST by Fred

Influential congressman Steve King (R-Iowa) said Wednesday that presidential candidate Newt Gingrich's immigration plan was a "form of amnesty" and that he disagreed with it, adding to the chorus of critics from the right.

In Tuesday's GOP foreign policy debate, Gingrich said he would support an immigration policy that would allow illegal immigrants who had lived in the United States for a long time, obeyed the law, and paid their taxes to become permanent residents.

“I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who’ve been here for a quarter of a century … [and] separate them from their families and expel them,” Gingrich said. “I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties.”

He went on to say that he believed his policy to be the "humane" one.

(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: amnesty; amnewtsty; corporatewefare; gingrich; illegal; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; king; newtgingrich; serfs; slavelabor
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1 posted on 11/24/2011 9:59:11 AM PST by Fred
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To: Fred

Actually, it’s worse than that. It’s unworkable. It shows the fundamental problem with Grigrich. He does not understand the real world.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 10:00:47 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Fred

Gingrich useful tool to the DNC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vrNm4DJoI


3 posted on 11/24/2011 10:01:37 AM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: Fred

Just say NO to Newt !


4 posted on 11/24/2011 10:02:45 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

He’s too busy holding hands with Princess Nancy.


5 posted on 11/24/2011 10:03:25 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Fred
Fifty-two, count 'em, 52 threads from the same people on the same damn topic! LOL

The Cainsterical bunch are an hilarious, if not persistent, few!



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6 posted on 11/24/2011 10:04:14 AM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: Fred
To be fair to Gingrich, he doesn't actually have an immigration plan, does he?

He was just basically flapping his lips spouting talking points that ran the gamut from amnesty to tar-and-feathering is the way I heard it.

7 posted on 11/24/2011 10:05:20 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who’ve been here for a quarter of a century … [and] separate them from their families and expel them,” Gingrich said.

I believe that remark cost him the republican nomination and therefore the presidency because if the nominee is anybody but Romney, that republican is going to be the next president.

8 posted on 11/24/2011 10:06:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: Fred

Imagine what that 11 million (ROTFL! Yeah. Right!) are going to do to the cost of ObarryCare. I’ll bet that never dawned on any of those morons on Capitol Hill. Politicians are greedy, narcissistic pigs.


9 posted on 11/24/2011 10:10:26 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Fred

Whatever we do, if we allow some people who illegally came here to stay, under NO CIRCUMSTANCES can we allow them to vote or hold public office.

That is not only the price they must pay (in addition to any other condition of being allow to stay here legally), but it is also to deny any political group the reward for the pandering to illegals in the hope they would once become voters.


10 posted on 11/24/2011 10:10:47 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Fred

King bashers/newt henchmen will attack in 3,2,1.


11 posted on 11/24/2011 10:12:57 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Fred

First I was “heartless”. Now, I’m “inhumane”.

Apparently, these multi-millionaire politicians never visit my world, where illegals have taken 40% of my family’s income off the table over the last six or seven years, and have nearly forced us out of business.

I was born here, as were my father, and his father, and his - back to before the founding of this nation. I thought this was my country, and that I had a right to work hard and build a decent life for my wife and kids.

I guess not. Gingrich and Perry have decided that it’s fit and proper to ‘redistribute’ my birthright.


12 posted on 11/24/2011 10:14:44 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: TitansAFC
Yeah, because Gingrich's remark should go down the same memory hole that THE REST OF HIS CAREER seems to have gone with many conservatives.

I guarantee you, if you hitch yourself to this guy, when it really counts, when you really need him, when you are depending on him for a vote or public comment or behind-the-scenes persuasion to advance the cause, he will be tongue-kissing a liberal or himself or some "brilliant, transformational" notion that just popped into his head.

I say this after experiencing dozens of such disappointments/betrayals from this guy over 20 years.

Trust Gingrich = certain heartbreak.

13 posted on 11/24/2011 10:20:18 AM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: M. Thatcher

The Newt Gringo bots can’t deny the facts so they complain about the number of threads on this topic. I guess the so-called leading republican candidate being pro-amnesty isn’t a topic worth discussing...

I applaud Rep. King for being a true conservative patriot standing against Newt’s amnesty plan. Hopefully this helps end him in Iowa.


14 posted on 11/24/2011 10:26:59 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: fieldmarshaldj
" Just say NO to Newt ! "

Conservatives don't let friends vote TootyNooty ....
15 posted on 11/24/2011 10:32:29 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

” He’s too busy holding hands with Princess Nancy.” outside of the capital building on the Love Seat Couch.


16 posted on 11/24/2011 10:34:02 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TitansAFC

It must really piss you off that newts critics won’t sit down and shut up hunh?


17 posted on 11/24/2011 10:34:35 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: Fred
Sometimes King is an a@@. He lacks the intelligence to read what Newt was talking about. Never was amnesty even a part of it.
18 posted on 11/24/2011 10:35:36 AM PST by Logical me
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To: Fred
And Mr. King's plan is???? Easy to criticize but not so easy to come up with a workable plan for an impossible problem. This old crap about , “just send them all back to Mexico” is out to lunch. 11 million or more? Give me a break if you think you can pull that one off. Why not just send the “Bladerunners” after them and kill them? (sarcasm of course). I'm not for amnesty either but don't ask me what to do with them. What ever it is, it's going to cost a bundle of money that we are borrowing from someone else.
19 posted on 11/24/2011 10:35:41 AM PST by fish hawk (3 apples have changed the world: Eve's, Newton's and Steve Job's)
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To: Fred

Newt just wants to replace all the aborted American babies with Mexicans..
Quite simple really..

As does most of the republican candidates and Negrodamus as well..

Michele Bachmann is not going for “it”...course she is the ONLY conservative..
No wonder.!... she is attacked like the Good Witch of the West(of OZ)..
She(Bachmann) has “red shoes” and can bring America back from the brink...

The men candidates are all “Mad Hatters” except Ron Paul.. hes the drunken mouse..
AND a Happy UNbirthday to you all!!!..


20 posted on 11/24/2011 10:36:36 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Logical me
He lacks the intelligence to read what Newt was talking about. Never was amnesty even a part of it.

To the contrary, he refuses to call Newt's position a pretty word other than amnesty - which it is.

21 posted on 11/24/2011 10:39:36 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Logical me
Of course it is an amnesty. Allowing the illegals to stay and work here, the object of their crime, is amnesty.

Words have meanings. The Democrats and the mainstream media have hijacked the language surrounding the immigration issue to the point that we had Michael Chertoff, the Secretary of Homeland Security and our nation’s top immigration official at the time, testifying before Congress using the term “undocumented workers” to describe illegal aliens.

John McCain and Barack Obama studiously avoided the term “amnesty” to describe their comprehensive immigration reform plans and despite the evidence, baldly declared that it was not an amnesty. Instead, they used such euphemisms as “getting to the back of the line,” “an earned path to citizenship,” and “coming out of the shadows.” The Democrats and pro-amnesty crowd know full well that the American people are against amnesty, hence the avoidance of the “A” word. Republicans need to develop their own immigration lexicon that cuts through this Orwellian use of language.

Definition: Amnesty, from the same Greek root as "amnesia," forgives past crimes and removes them from the record for future purposes. In the context of immigration, amnesty is commonly defined as granting legal status to a group of individuals unlawfully present in a country. It overlooks the alien's illegal entry and ongoing illegal presence and creates a new legal status that allows the recipient to live and work in the country.

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986: The textbook example of an amnesty. The 1986 law's path to citizenship was not automatic. The legislation stipulated several requirements to receive amnesty, including payment of application fees, acquisition of English-language skills, understanding of American civics, a medical exam, and registration for military service. Individuals convicted of a felony or three misdemeanors were ineligible. No one disputes that this act provided amnesty. Supporters said it would be a “one-time” amnesty. It was estimated that one million would apply, but the true number turned out to be 2.7 million.

22 posted on 11/24/2011 10:50:08 AM PST by kabar
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Then I would ask you and King, “What is your “workable” solution?


23 posted on 11/24/2011 10:50:14 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Fred; SatinDoll

EVERYONE should read this revealing article:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/nusablog/beckr/november-23-2011/gingrich-shows-compassion-illegal-aliens-he-helped-stay-rooted-us.ht

Thanks to SatinDoll for the link.


24 posted on 11/24/2011 10:52:40 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you deal making THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: fish hawk
Having worked with Rep. King on immigration issues and appeared with him on a panel at CPAC, here is a plan he supports:

Advocate a pro-immigrant policy of low immigration. Conservative Republicans need to provide the American people with their own comprehensive immigration reform plan, i.e., give people a reason to vote FOR something rather than just attack the other side’s proposals. Such a plan should contain the following elements:

 Formulate a merit based immigration system that brings in the skills and talents to keep us competitive in the global economy;

 Reduce immigration levels based on need more closely approximating 300,000 a year;

 Eliminate extended chain migration, i.e., family reunification, limiting it to the nuclear family;

 Secure the border;

 Enforce existing immigration laws to reduce the current illegal alien population and limit future illegal immigration, i.e., attrition thru enforcement. Enforcement would include: (1) ending the job magnet; (2) increasing coordination at the federal level by eliminating barriers to information sharing among agencies; (3) leveraging state and local enforcement resources; (4) fully implementing the US-VISIT Program to track and deport visa overstays; and (5) make mandatory and improve such programs as E-Verify and 287 [g] authority to assist employers and law enforcement in identifying illegal aliens;

 Eliminate birthright citizenship and the visa lottery program;

 Ensure that anyone who enters this nation illegally is not rewarded by being permitted to stay and work here; i.e., no amnesty;

 Streamline the processing and adjudication of immigration cases;

 Promote pro-immigrant measures that help newcomers assimilate and embrace the values and principles of our Founders and the Constitution.

Do you have a problem with any of this?

25 posted on 11/24/2011 10:55:41 AM PST by kabar
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To: fish hawk

The Eisenhower plan:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1661011/posts


26 posted on 11/24/2011 10:57:56 AM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you deal making THUG B@st@rd!)
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To: G Larry

Actually, the status quo is more workable than what Gingrich proposed. I think we need to consider at least two very simple steps. One, no Federal benefits, nada, zip, for anyone here illegally. No food stamps, no welfare. States will have an affirmative requirement to show that people drawing benefits from federally subsidize programs are in this country legally. (In hardship cases, we could furnish transporation to the country of origin.)

Second, require employers to document workers right to work in the U.S., with steep fines for employing illegals.


27 posted on 11/24/2011 11:19:44 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Logical me
Sometimes King is an a@@. He lacks the intelligence to read what Newt was talking about. Never was amnesty even a part of it. ,p>

Check your Funk & Wagnalls.

What Newt proposed is amnesty by definition.

amnesty:

  1. a general pardon, esp for offences against a government, often before a trial or conviction takes place

  2. a period during which a law is suspended to allow offenders to admit their crime without fear of prosecution

  3. a pardon granted by the Crown or Executive and effected by statute

  4. to overlook, forgive or forget an offense (without incurring a penalty or punishment)

It is a favorite ploy of the liberals to avoid the use of the correct word for an act and just not define the act or mislabel it with some innocent sounding substitute.
Like calling homosexuals "Gays".

Why do so-called conservatives feel complelled to use these atctics whenever a favored politician proposes some asinine solution to the illegal immigration plague?

We went through this same bullcrap with George Bush and his "Shamnesty" propsal.


28 posted on 11/24/2011 11:24:37 AM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Are his 15 minutes of fame up yet?

29 posted on 11/24/2011 11:36:28 AM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: Fred

Is it asking to much to file some paperwork to at least request status to remain in the US? Usually you can press #2 for instructions in Spanish.


30 posted on 11/24/2011 11:49:58 AM PST by Razzz42
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To: TitansAFC
You're totally losing it cheerleader. And I thought the Perry Fangirls were fanatical.
31 posted on 11/24/2011 11:56:29 AM PST by bwc2221
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To: kabar

I have a problem with any immigration policy that penalizes employers and tries to turn them into law enforcement agencies, while doing nothing to stop government handouts to illegals. King’s plan fits this to a “T”.

This is bizzaro-world backwards thinking.

Note the BIG BIG difference between Perry - government subsidies to illegals OK, and Gingrich - if you lived here and worked for a long time we MAY not kick you out (after a thorough review), and NO path to citizenship.


32 posted on 11/24/2011 12:00:44 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: Fred

Steve King shuld have run. I will take Michelle Bachmann, his conservative other half.


33 posted on 11/24/2011 12:01:30 PM PST by dforest
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To: Logical me

The problem with Newt is that he thinks he is so smart we will all buy his BS. He really is so smart, he can’t make up his mind what he believes.

Thing is, most of us conservatives aren’t buying his arrogant elitism.


34 posted on 11/24/2011 12:05:13 PM PST by dforest
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To: Fred

35 posted on 11/24/2011 12:06:23 PM PST by South40
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To: bwc2221
You're totally losing it cheerleader. And I thought the Perry Fangirls were fanatical.

lol!

Happy Thanksgiving bwc2221!

36 posted on 11/24/2011 12:08:27 PM PST by South40
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To: BigBobber
I have a problem with any immigration policy that penalizes employers and tries to turn them into law enforcement agencies, while doing nothing to stop government handouts to illegals. King’s plan fits this to a “T”.

It is illegal to "knowingly" hire an illegal alien. The E-Verify program, now mandatory at the federal level and in states like AZ and Alabama, gives the employer an easy to use tool to cover his butt. It takes seconds in 98% of the cases. Cooperating with law enforcement is not making employers law enforcement agencies. There are only 7,000 ICE agents. We need cooperation at all levels of government and the private sector. It is in our national interest to do so with an estimated 8 million illegal aliens holding jobs while 25 million Americans are looking for fulltime emplopyment. Shutting down the job magnet is a big step forward in forcing illegals to self-deport.

Note the BIG BIG difference between Perry - government subsidies to illegals OK, and Gingrich - if you lived here and worked for a long time we MAY not kick you out (after a thorough review), and NO path to citizenship.

What Perry and Gingrich are doing is rewarding illegal behavior. When you do that, you get more of it. Take a look at CA and its policies re illegal aliens. They are bankrupting the state. There is a big difference here in VA compared to MD and it has to do with how welcoming a state becomes to illegal aliens.

6.4% of MD's workforce are illegal aliens compared to 3.9% in VA. MD used to issue driver's licenses to illegals and they came from all over the country to get them. MD has just passed in-state tuition for illegals. This prompted a massive petition movement (yes, even in of the bluest of blue states) to get an up or down vote on in-state tuition in a 2012 referendum. The signatures were collected in record time and the legislation has been suspended pending the vote on the referendum.

People are sick of the costs of illegal immigration. Here in VA it is estimated at almost $2 billion annually. MD is going broke and is now talking about raising the gas tax by 30 cents over three years as they are now being overrun by illegals. And we just passed a milestone on November 6. Since 9/11 over 50,000 Americans have been KILLED by illegal aliens.

Today is National Remembrance Day for Americans Killed by Illegal Aliens

37 posted on 11/24/2011 12:23:18 PM PST by kabar
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To: TitansAFC

Deal with it

Gingrich useful tool to the DNC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vrNm4DJoI


38 posted on 11/24/2011 12:24:06 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: Fred

Amnewty.

Yeah, I’m heartless and inhumane and don’t follow PC.


39 posted on 11/24/2011 12:26:21 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Razzz42; All

If someone has been in this country for 25 years and doing ok without being a citizen. Why would they become one now?

Gingrich is clueless on how illegals work and live in this country. He is merely throwing a sop for corporate welfare.... Amnesty = CHEAT LABOR that is what motivates Gingrich...and this BS on he is so humane what a load of BS.


40 posted on 11/24/2011 12:30:04 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: Windflier

Well said. The fact that Amnewtsty is defended by some on FR, the biggest collection of true conservatives on the internet, is scary indeed.


41 posted on 11/24/2011 1:53:43 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Myth, Ricardo, and AmNEWTsty - NON STARTERS!)
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To: kabar
"Do you have a problem with any of this? "

Not especially. One issue however, is all these fixes assume a significant majority actually WANT to join the party. My experience working at businesses that have employed illegal workers does not support that scenario.

42 posted on 11/24/2011 2:18:08 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Wow. Have you checked out the CEO of Numbers USA, Roy Beck, the writer of the blog you just sent us to? He’s won awards from the EPA, been called a good friend by John Tanton, who believes in white supremacy, and whose immigration policies have been called racist. Roy Beck has admitted to sharing ideas with Tanton.

Got a better source for the story than this? Otherwise, no thanks.


43 posted on 11/24/2011 2:44:28 PM PST by Mari2525
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To: M. Thatcher

Post of the day.


44 posted on 11/24/2011 2:48:21 PM PST by MitchellC (Of course I support Herman Cain. I'm a conservative.)
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To: Fred
"been here for a quarter of a century … [and] separate them from their families and expel them"

I don't care how long it takes to get them out of here as long as they are seriously working on it.

Illegals must go.

45 posted on 11/24/2011 2:56:11 PM PST by AGreatPer (Obama has NEVER given a speech where he did not lie!!!)
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To: BigBobber
Note the BIG BIG difference between Perry - government subsidies to illegals OK, and Gingrich - if you lived here and worked for a long time we MAY not kick you out (after a thorough review), and NO path to citizenship.

Earlier this month Rick Perry proposed a new US visa program to let illegal immigrants come and go freely.

Very disturbing that rather than punish the illegals, both are instead wanting to reward them. At the very least you'd think that all of the candidates (excluding Romney/Huntsman) would be proposing things that would encourage the illegals ("criminals") to self-deport. Instead Newt talks amnesty, Perry talks about letting them come and go freely, etc.
46 posted on 11/24/2011 3:40:49 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Fred

It seems most FR critics are too lazy to read Newt’s plan and prefer to criticize out of ignorance and bias.

They’d rather mischaracterize the plan, insisting that any plan short of rounding up 20 million people and sending them home, is unacceptable.

Newt’s immigration plan is based on “3 Principles” and “10 Steps”, which are available here:
>http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration<

Let’s leave the unworkable, bumper sticker notions to the liberals, and learn to thoughtfully explore meaningful solutions.


47 posted on 11/24/2011 4:02:30 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: kabar

Newty was a member of Congress for that 1986 Immigration vote. Has anyone been able to locate what his vote actually was? I would guess that he voted for that first amnesty. Now he wants a second one.


48 posted on 11/24/2011 4:09:11 PM PST by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: TitansAFC; HANG THE EXPENSE

It isn’t important that the same person came out and posted about this subject repeatedly. I’m glad Newt came out and stated what he would do about illegal aliens.

Immigration is an important subject that too many Republicans dance around because big donors exploit the cheap labor provided by illegals, and everyone knows politicians need donated money to run their elections.

Both Democrats and Republicans fantasize on potentially millions of new voters who will support them, as long as politicians are willing to piss on our laws. Speaker Gingrich did just that when he led the Republicans in the House of Congress.

Principles, folks, principles: a President who enforces the laws passed by Congress is what I want to see in the White House. If the law(s) are bad or obnoxious, there is no quicker way to impel timely repeal than with stringent enforcement. It is NOT the role of the President to pick and choose which laws should be enforced and which shall be ignored or subverted. We already have such a one in the Oval Office; let’s not vote in another.


49 posted on 11/24/2011 4:20:55 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Lauren BaRecall
Thank you for providing some answers. Here is the most telling part for me:

"Instead, Gingrich tried to kill the new job verification system entirely. Fortunately, the killer amendment he supported failed. No thanks to Gingrich, we have an E-Verify system today.

But the E-Verify system is entirely VOLUNTARY today because of another House vote which Gingrich won. That vote was to make sure that the verification system would NOT be MANDATORY for employers.

The nation's Big Business lobbies deemed it essential that employers maintain the ability to cheat the paper verification system and hire illegal workers. Speaker Gingrich saw to it that the ability continued.

I am heartsick every time I think of that lost opportunity in 1996. If Speaker Gingrich had thrown his considerable talents and power behind the bi-partisan recommendations and supported Lamar Smith, most of the illegal aliens who arrived since then would not have bothered. And most of the illegal aliens who arrived before 1996 -- with less than 10 years of roots in this country -- would have gone back home.

Illegal immigration would not be topic of the 2012 Presidential debates."

It would be something if this situation, the very monster he himself helped to create would be the cause of his demise. I can't think of anyone more deserving than Newt.

Just say no to RINOs like Newt

.

50 posted on 11/24/2011 4:21:37 PM PST by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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