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Ron Paul Says His Republican Rivals Want Bigger Government
Newsmax ^ | 2011-11-24 | Hiram Reisner

Posted on 11/24/2011 12:51:14 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Presidential hopeful Ron Paul says his rivals’ militant stances on “the defense of liberty” would make it difficult for him to support any of them for president should he not get the Republican nomination, because their positions would lead to bigger government. But the Texas congressman also told Fox News’ Neal Cavuto Wednesday that despite these concerns, he probably would not run as a third-party candidate.

“I would have trouble with what I heard last night because it is almost opposite of the defense of liberty that I’m talking about,” Paul told Cavuto, referring to Tuesday night’s presidential debate. “I mean, the Republican Party is supposed to be a party, you know, of defining small government — but when it came to the civil liberties, and the Patriot Act, and the invasion of privacy, and the Fourth Amendment — all these things — they wanted more government."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012gopprimary; 4thamendment; biggovernment; bushlegacy; cavuto; civilliberties; constitution; elections; fourthamendment; gop; gop4biggovernment; gop4imperialism; gop4statism; liberty; lping; nealcavuto; patriotact; paul; privacy; ronpaul; warondrugs; waronterror
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To: rabscuttle385

100% of 90% of what Ron Paul says is on target. The rest 10% is the problem, unfortunately.


2 posted on 11/24/2011 12:56:22 PM PST by sagar
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; albertp; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
"...the loyalty to the party should be secondary to loyalty to your oath of office."

AMEN!!!

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3 posted on 11/24/2011 12:57:49 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385

Yes, and Ron Paul would like to live in a isolationist fantasy world.


4 posted on 11/24/2011 1:02:40 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: sagar
...The rest 10% is the problem, unfortunately.

...Would you agree that it is possible to find alternatives to those problems and not dismiss the whole thing?

5 posted on 11/24/2011 1:05:48 PM PST by gargoyle ( Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice... Barry Goldwater.)
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To: mylife

Which would be far better than living in YOUR world with all those farts you keep fixating on, LOL


6 posted on 11/24/2011 1:06:09 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain !!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Our Founders recognized that embroilments with foreign lands were a problem, but Jefferson Correctly recognized that the Barbary pirates had to be shut down from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.

Ron Paul refuses to engage in the animated fight of FREEDOM.


7 posted on 11/24/2011 1:06:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mkjessup

What are you yammering about?


8 posted on 11/24/2011 1:07:14 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

That ridiculous tag line of yours. You cornered the market on ‘yammering’ with that one.


9 posted on 11/24/2011 1:08:53 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain !!)
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To: mkjessup

Stay a slave to borders. Be an isolationist loon.


10 posted on 11/24/2011 1:10:30 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Hmmmm...Ron Paul or Mitt Romney, Paul or Romney, which one is more in line with the Founding Fathers?


11 posted on 11/24/2011 1:10:57 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: mylife

So is China isolationist, because they don’t have troops stationed in dozens, maybe hundreds of countries? How about every other nation on Earth? Isolationism, is a catch word to demean people that want an end to American interventionism. It is not to end American superiority, or destroy our ability to defend our countries interest abroad. It is a way to end our foreign aid, our foreign wars, and the leaching of our dollars to those making billions from war in private enterprise.


12 posted on 11/24/2011 1:11:13 PM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: mylife; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
Stay a slave to borders. Be an isolationist loon.

Are you suggesting that we should have an open borders policy?

13 posted on 11/24/2011 1:11:21 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: mkjessup

My tagline refers to yammering from the masses.


14 posted on 11/24/2011 1:11:24 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rabscuttle385

No. I am saying that capitalism is built on free and fair trade., and that to widen the market we must and always have traded with foreign lands.


15 posted on 11/24/2011 1:13:07 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife; runninglips; rabscuttle385
Stay a slave to borders. Be an isolationist loon.

You sound like an open borders type based on that.
16 posted on 11/24/2011 1:14:27 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain !!)
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To: mylife
I am saying that capitalism is built on free and fair trade., and that to widen the market we must and always have traded with foreign lands.

What part of Ron Paul's policies advocate curtailing free and fair trade?
17 posted on 11/24/2011 1:15:52 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain !!)
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To: sagar
So Paul says his rivals views on the “defense of liberty” are bothersome to him, so he wouldn't be able to support any of them - interesting.
18 posted on 11/24/2011 1:17:16 PM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: runninglips

It’s complicated.

Do you believe that China is isolationist?
I would proffer that they are not.

Rick Perry is the guy that wants to cut foreign, aid and return to zero.


19 posted on 11/24/2011 1:17:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: gargoyle

Well, it depends on whether or not those problems overshadow the whole thing. In Paul’s case, those problems seem to overshadow the rest of his message. To be fair though, one of Ron Paul’s biggest strengths is consistency.


20 posted on 11/24/2011 1:18:51 PM PST by sagar
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To: mkjessup

His isolationism.

Freedom is a messy business.


21 posted on 11/24/2011 1:19:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: sagar

Reagan would agree with Paul.


22 posted on 11/24/2011 1:20:57 PM PST by camp_steveo
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To: mkjessup

We have fought wars based on free trade and sailors rights.

1812


23 posted on 11/24/2011 1:21:12 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: camp_steveo

Malarky!


24 posted on 11/24/2011 1:21:59 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife; rabscuttle385
Yes, and Ron Paul would like to live in a isolationist fantasy world.

Yes, lets stay on the path we've been on for the past 20 years...Wide open borders with Mexico, tens of millions choking off our hospitals, social services, healthcare, jobs, etc...Big biz off shoring hundreds of thousands of jobs to Communist countries, while spending the American treasure on every other country on the planet, sending the next 6 generations into a cesspool of endless debt.

Looking sharp America!

25 posted on 11/24/2011 1:23:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: svcw

All other candidates are willing to trample everybody’s civil liberties for security. If Paul’s main issue is liberty, then I do not fault him for not supporting anyone.


26 posted on 11/24/2011 1:23:50 PM PST by sagar
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To: mylife

Yeah...and the British burned the White House. It was a war Madison never should have fought. The only American winner was Andrew Jackson who won the battle of New Orleans two weeks after the Treaty of Ghent was signed.

It was a stupid war.


27 posted on 11/24/2011 1:24:40 PM PST by kjo
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Poor Ron Paul can't even keep his eyebrow from straying to foreign lands!


28 posted on 11/24/2011 1:26:05 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: sagar

From Zero Hedge.

This is important for supporting what Ron Paul says.

The Fed’s stress test contains no interest rate movement, just mortgage rates rising to 5% for 2012. They do have home price declines of 20% and 0% GDP growth for 2012, but no interest rate shocks? What kind of a stress test is this??

This stress test is NOT applied to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac or the FHA. Just more government protection of its own.

Upcoming Case-Shiller Report and The Fed Reserve Comprehensive Capital Analysis and Review

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com


29 posted on 11/24/2011 1:26:28 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: kjo

Commodore Perry kicked major ass!


30 posted on 11/24/2011 1:26:51 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Yes, and Ron Paul would like to live in a isolationist fantasy world.

Yes, lets stay on the path we've been on for the past 20 years...Wide open borders with Mexico, tens of millions choking off our hospitals, social services, healthcare, jobs, etc...Big biz off shoring hundreds of thousands of jobs to Communist countries, while spending the American treasure on every other country on the planet, sending the next 6 generations into a cesspool of endless debt.

Looking sharp America!

But what about Paul's eyebrows?

Good response!

31 posted on 11/24/2011 1:28:30 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You can thank libtards for the open border policys for illegals.


32 posted on 11/24/2011 1:28:50 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: camp_steveo

There was no declaration of war during the cold war, but Reagan was committed to wipe out the Soviet Union. That alone should indicate that, at least in foreign policy matters, Reagan was NOT like Paul.

Please explain in what matter would Reagan agree with Paul?


33 posted on 11/24/2011 1:30:02 PM PST by sagar
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To: mylife

I’m not a fan of Ron Paul, but I think there is a good balance of “the right way” between his positions and those of say, Cain, Bachmann or Santorum. He is entirely correct that Romney and Gingrich are big government RINOs.


34 posted on 11/24/2011 1:30:50 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: dragnet2

I want cuts in federal government. The military is too expensive.


35 posted on 11/24/2011 1:31:13 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: whitedog57

Freddie and Fannie are at the very root of our dilemma.
That and the community reinvestment act.

We are in a web of BS.


36 posted on 11/24/2011 1:31:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: bigdirty

I admire his tenacity on fiscal matters, but I think he is a loon for his isolationist stances. Couple that with his “open borders libertarian thinking” on drugs and I think he is a train wreck.

The man is a walking conflict.

Which is it Ron? Libertarianism or isolationism?


37 posted on 11/24/2011 1:36:03 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: runninglips

Hundreds of countries?

Last time I googled the number of countries, it showed a list of 214 countries.


38 posted on 11/24/2011 1:45:54 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: sagar
...those problems seem to overshadow the rest of his message.

...That is a valid concern, What's unfortunate is Paul's consistency and his strict interpretation of the Constitution. That goes against some of the so called conservatives in the primary race and on this thread.

...Thou I support 90% of his policy, I have no illusions; he will probably not get the nomination. But, I'm sure the candidate that does win will include much of that policy into their governance.

...That's what this election is all or should be about, not a pretty face spewing a mouthful of promises never kept.

39 posted on 11/24/2011 1:47:40 PM PST by gargoyle ( Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice... Barry Goldwater.)
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To: mylife; dragnet2; mkjessup; stephenjohnbanker
You can thank libtards for the open border policys for illegals.

Well, I guess that makes Bush a "libtard" RINO.


40 posted on 11/24/2011 1:48:29 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: sagar

Reagan was certainly not like Clinton, GW Bush, or Obama.


41 posted on 11/24/2011 1:48:35 PM PST by camp_steveo
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To: truthfreedom
I want cuts in federal government. The military is too expensive.

9/11 was expensive too
42 posted on 11/24/2011 1:48:52 PM PST by Rooivalk
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To: sagar

Both sides are wrong on the issue of isolationism!

Libertarians are wrong because without strong military power projection worldwide no one can be a super power, and we need a moral super power to keep order in the world. We do not want to go back to the time of ancient conquerors such as Tamar Lane, Chengiz Khan, Alexander of Greece, etc when any marauding force could plunder any lands. We do not want Saddam Hussein to plunder Kuwait, then Saudi Arabia. We do not want Iran to plunder Iraq and other oil producers.

However libertarians are also right in that a super power can not maintain that status by borrowing money to project military power. At the present time, we are broke and in debt to our eyeballs, soon to join Greece and Italy & Spain. So, at present time, we have no choice except to shrink our foreign military involvement. But we can never follow Ron Paul’s libertarian agenda permanently. That would guarantee a second class country.


43 posted on 11/24/2011 1:51:56 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: rabscuttle385

For all his faults, I think GWB did a pretty decent job.

He just about had the middle east divided with freedom when, Obama was swept to power.

Now all those efforts are being offered as loss.
GWB had the ME divided from Turkey to the Persian gulf with freedom until Obama pissed it away and started playing with his arab spring.

Obama is the enemy.
The blood we have spilled for freedom is sacred.
Obama is a traitor.

Now tell me how Cheney and Rumsfeld suck.


44 posted on 11/24/2011 1:55:03 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Rooivalk

People forget.


45 posted on 11/24/2011 1:55:57 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: rabscuttle385

Well, how else are you going to round up 11 million illegals and export them to Meheekoh, as advocated on these very pages?


46 posted on 11/24/2011 1:56:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: federal__reserve

Anyone that thinks China will be a benevolent super power is deluded.


47 posted on 11/24/2011 1:57:22 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
but Jefferson Correctly recognized that the Barbary pirates had to be shut down from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.

The halls of Montezuma was a reference to the Mexican War. The Barbary Wars were waged in our national interest, freedom of navigation on the high seas. They did not try to bring democracy, they waged a good old fashioned punitive expedition and compelled the enemy to fulfill our will. Under multiculturalism we must value the enemies civilians as we value our own, a return to the America First values of the founders would put Americans first, with perhaps a thousand to one ratio of retaliation for each America killed. Our 9-11 memorial would have been a wasteland where Kandahar once stood. I would exercise some restraint about being drawn into foreign conflicts, but failing that I would wage war without restraint, our ruling class of today does the exact opposite.
48 posted on 11/24/2011 1:57:30 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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To: federal__reserve

The US is not responsible for maintaining order in the world.

That is the neoconservative’s foreign policy.

True conservatism is for limited government, including the use of the military.

We are not the world’s cops.


49 posted on 11/24/2011 1:57:53 PM PST by camp_steveo
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To: mylife
John Huntsman promised to donate his to Ron Paul once he (Huntsman) quits the race.


50 posted on 11/24/2011 1:58:44 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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