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Cross Removed From San Antonio Tower
The Christian Post ^ | November 23, 2011 | Brittany Smith

Posted on 11/24/2011 1:05:28 PM PST by Ranald S. MacKenzie

Cross Removed From San Antonio Tower

By Brittany Smith | Christian Post Reporter

It was a small cross, but it has created a big debate in San Antonio.

The “Torre de Esperanza,” or Tower of Hope, stands close to the entrance of Texas A&M University-San Antonio. The tower’s private owners put a small cross on the structure consistent with its Spanish mission-style design. They also allowed the school to put its seal on the structure. The cross, however, was recently removed.

The ACLU of Texas said the developer of the tower, Ralph Lampman of the VTLM Group, ordered the crosses removed after a TAMU-SA faculty member complained about the religious symbol. Criminology professor Sissy Bradford questioned the placement as a First Amendment violation.

Associate Vice President for University Communications Marilu Reyna told The Christian Post that she and university President Maria Hernandez Ferrier will speak with the owners of the property to see why the cross was removed. Reyna says the tower “doesn’t belong to the university. It’s on private property.” The Verano Land Group authorized the VTML group to build the tower on their property.

Reyna also told The Christian Post that the university had no say as to whether the cross was removed, but there have been misconceptions over the university’s ownership of the tower because its seal is on it.

Originally, the builders of the tower asked if the San Antonio campus wanted to display their seal on the structure. The initial designs shown to university officials did not contain the image of the small cross, so the university was not aware of it until it was built.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Texas became involved when they filed public information requests. They want clarification from the City of San Antonio and Texas A&M as to who paid for, designed, and owns the tower the land it sits on.

“The Christian symbol of a cross positioned near the TAMU-SA seal on a building that is the gateway to a public university raises First Amendment concerns,” said Public Policy and Advocacy Director with the ACLU of Texas, Rebecca Robertson, in a statement. “We are seeking full disclosure about the construction and funding of this structure so we can better understand the circumstances,” she said.

Public Education Director for ACLU of Texas Dottie Griffith told CP that the organization is interested in finding out whether public money was used “to favor one religion over others. We believe it’s an overreach for the government to favor one religion over another.”

A day after the ACLU filing, Americans United for Separation of Church and State sent letters to the city and university officials asking for the removal of the cross. The letter says that the cross gives the appearance of government endorsement of Christianity, which is in violation of the Constitution.

The public records request was filed Friday, and the City of San Antonio and TAMU-SA have 10 business days to provide the ACLU with the requested documents.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aclu; atheism; cross; moralabsolutes; purge
I guess Christian symbols can't be displayed anywhere near government symbols these days, even on private property.
1 posted on 11/24/2011 1:05:30 PM PST by Ranald S. MacKenzie
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Remember when we had a First Amendment to the Constitution that prohibited the commies in the government from pulling this kind of horsesh!t?


2 posted on 11/24/2011 1:08:41 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Carried to its logical conclusion, we will have to tear down crosses off of churches.

Why? Because the crosses can be seen from public streets, which are paid for by us taxpayers. The mere sight of a cross on a private church from a public right of way could be construed as offensive and illegal.

If we’re going to have a legal violation involved with the mere sight of a cross on private property seen by the general public, the tearing down of any crosses visible to the general public could come to pass.


3 posted on 11/24/2011 1:10:30 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

And on top of that, they always pull this kind of cr@p when we are going into the Christmas season.


4 posted on 11/24/2011 1:10:52 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

May I be among the first to tell the ACLU to just up and f**k off?

Oh......too late?


5 posted on 11/24/2011 1:12:07 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

http://www.tamusa.tamus.edu/artsandsciences/criminology/people.html

“Sissy Bradford earned both her first and second master’s degrees from Texas State University-San Marcos. During the seven years between degrees she taught in Alaska. She has taught courses in sociology and criminal justice for Alamo Community College District. Her current research project focuses on the news coverage of San Antonio homicides by race, gender, and novelty: The Reproduction of Symbolic Dangerousness and Racial Stereotypes through Selection Bias in News Media Reporting of Homicide; 1995-2005, San Antonio, Texas.”

If you can’t do, teach. If you can’t teach, do a silly research project.


6 posted on 11/24/2011 1:17:00 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

part of the continuing war against Christianity by the aCLU. A legacy of its Communist Party USA founders. and probably still party members in it.


7 posted on 11/24/2011 1:17:42 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

A country is known by its symbols. A country with no crosses means it is not a Christian nation.


8 posted on 11/24/2011 1:20:41 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: bgill
I live in Texas. I pay taxes in Texas.

Sissy Bradford is an employee of a school supported by the State of Texas. As one of her employers, I find her offensive.

Can I demand that she be removed from the campus and the public payroll?

9 posted on 11/24/2011 1:22:33 PM PST by susannah59
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Take the school seal off, put the cross back on. Done.


10 posted on 11/24/2011 1:27:59 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Carried to its logical conclusion, we will have to tear down crosses off of churches.
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They will be brought to their collective knees when they start removing ‘symbols’ from well know ‘sites’ such as Va Tech, Texas Tower (C Whitman), Kent State (sure the hippies got some kind of memorial there), Columbine etc etc.
And lets not forget those makeshift crosses on highway shoulders -....

Get one (try) get them all....


11 posted on 11/24/2011 1:28:09 PM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) If govt involved, the more outlandish a scheme appears, the truer it probably is.)
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To: susannah59
Can I demand that she be removed from the campus and the public payroll?

YES

12 posted on 11/24/2011 1:29:39 PM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

put up a crescent and see if they object


13 posted on 11/24/2011 1:30:07 PM PST by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed <--- oops, see?)
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To: stars & stripes forever

If they had to remove anything, they should have removed the university’s seal and kept the cross.


14 posted on 11/24/2011 1:31:09 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (The "Occupy Wall Street" losers should try occupying their local employment office. GET A JOB!)
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To: xrmusn

Now the jerk-offs from the ACLU can go back to dry-humping their Stalin blow up dolls secure in the knowledge that,once again, they were able to remove a small cross.
Christmas time for the ACLU must be like Viagra for them.


15 posted on 11/24/2011 1:32:08 PM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
Sissy, Dottie, and Rebecca......is there a pattern or type of person that is attracted to the ACLU?
16 posted on 11/24/2011 1:33:45 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Dilbert San Diego
The mere sight of a cross on a private church from a public right of way could be construed as offensive and illegal.

Charleston SC forbids buildings to be built taller than the many church steeples in town.

I'm not so sure they'd be willing to go along with this. Those folks have proven they aren't scared of a fight.

17 posted on 11/24/2011 1:33:45 PM PST by digger48
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Take the school seal off, put the cross back on. Done.

My first thought exactly. It's private property. So why did the owner of the tower decide NOT to remove the seal? Odd.

18 posted on 11/24/2011 1:37:15 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Attacking Wall Street because you're jobless is like burning down Whole Foods because you're hungry.)
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To: All

Communist Goals
for the take-over of America

http://archive.glennbeck.com/news/03212002.shtml

27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as “normal, natural, and healthy.”


19 posted on 11/24/2011 1:39:27 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
The American Civil Liberties Union

Hell with them, we need to get The United States Constitutional Rights Union in on this one. Constitutional Rights trump "civil liberties" any old day.

questioned the placement as a First Amendment violation.

I'll tell you what's a First Amendment violation...a government official "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" by a private citizen.

Criminology professor Sissy Bradford

You're no perfesser, you're a criminal...a Constitutional Criminal.

20 posted on 11/24/2011 1:45:39 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
“The Christian symbol of a cross positioned near the TAMU-SA seal on a building that is the gateway to a public university raises First Amendment concerns,” said Public Policy and Advocacy Director with the ACLU of Texas, Rebecca Robertson, in a statement. “We are seeking full disclosure about the construction and funding of this structure so we can better understand the circumstances,” she said.

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Why do these anti-God liberals have so much power!?

21 posted on 11/24/2011 1:49:44 PM PST by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
This is just the start of the Muslem takeover of USA. Sharia law is next.
22 posted on 11/24/2011 1:54:44 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

I see the ACLUs’ war on Christianity and Christian Americans is going well. Something tells me they are not going to like the G*dless society they will reap once they have destroyed all the Christians here in the USA.


23 posted on 11/24/2011 1:56:14 PM PST by jpsb
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Take the school seal off, put the cross back on. Done.”

My thoughts, too.


24 posted on 11/24/2011 2:16:33 PM PST by kitkat (Obama, rope and chains)
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To: RightOnline

I think if enough of us band together and fight these anti-gooberment idiots like the ACLU why would it be too late? Wonder how many times they’ve been fought in court and lost as opposed to people folding like cheap chairs and doing their bidding with no questions asked? Just wonderin’....:(


25 posted on 11/24/2011 2:20:49 PM PST by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Damn those Christians!(Yes, I realize the irony of that statement) They’re everywhere!


26 posted on 11/24/2011 2:48:45 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
Rebecca Robertson is a Fascist Pig.

Remind me when we fight WWII again to get rid of these people utterly!

27 posted on 11/24/2011 3:14:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And the removal of crosses from the necklaces around our necks.

Obama and Hillary Clinton are quoted as saying they believe in the “freedom of worship”. They never say they believe in the “freedom of religion”. On religious matters, there is no daylight between them. This is the face of the Democratic party.

Marxism marches forward to roam the earth. Those that ignore God’s will today will soon learn that God will have the last word.


28 posted on 11/24/2011 3:22:02 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie
The letter says that the cross gives the appearance of government endorsement of Christianity, which is in violation of the Constitution.

Whereas, the reality of the situation is completely different.

29 posted on 11/24/2011 3:23:00 PM PST by perfect stranger (Nobama)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Next they will remove the “San” and just call the tower “Antonio”


30 posted on 11/24/2011 4:29:53 PM PST by silverleaf (common sense is not so common- voltaire)
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31 posted on 11/24/2011 4:35:41 PM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Forced removal of the cross from private property gives the appearance of government endorsement of Atheism, which is in violation of the Constitution.


32 posted on 11/24/2011 4:41:13 PM PST by NonValueAdded (At 4 AM, it is a test; at 2 PM, it is a demonstration)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Thanks Brittany, Marilu, Maria, Rebecca, Dottie and Sissy.


33 posted on 11/24/2011 4:58:24 PM PST by cydcharisse (`)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

So instead the ACLU promotes paganism on all public properties, violating our 1st Amendment rights.


34 posted on 11/24/2011 5:00:44 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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Just imagine if the ACLU existed in the first 150 or 175 years of our country, they'd be making 100 lawsuits a day for public and even (horros) government approved references to religion. Only they'd lose them all, and be run out of town tarred and feathered, as they deserve. I hate the ACLU with every fibre of my being.

35 posted on 11/24/2011 5:04:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Why do people keep caving in to these Godless, anti-American communists?

“My property, my cross, go away.”

There is no constitutional right to not be offended!

If there were, I’d sue the ACLU for the thousands of times they’ve offended me.


36 posted on 11/24/2011 5:33:47 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Methinks time for “Occupy Torre de Esperanza”, and go up there and just put ANOTHER BIG CROSS UP THERE. And then sit-in around it, singing Spanish Christmas Carols, waiting for the arrests. These atheists who are out to destroy our Repulic hate and fear The Cross as they do the work of the Dark One. How many of us are willing to stand up for Christ and take our country back, one block at at time?


37 posted on 11/24/2011 5:36:40 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

In other news, the ACLU has demanded that the name of San Antonio, TX be changed to Antonio as San, which is Spanish for Saint is offensive to many because of it’s affiliation with Catholicism. ?S


38 posted on 11/24/2011 5:43:09 PM PST by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Methinks time for “Occupy Torre de Esperanza”, and go up there and just put ANOTHER BIG CROSS UP THERE. And then sit-in around it, singing Spanish Christmas Carols, waiting for the arrests. These atheists who are out to destroy our Repulic hate and fear The Cross as they do the work of the Dark One. How many of us are willing to stand up for Christ and take our country back, one block at at time?


39 posted on 11/24/2011 5:43:30 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Dislaimer: I am in full support of Mr. Herman Cain for the GOP Nomination for President of the USA)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

oops, that was supposted to be /S not ?S


40 posted on 11/24/2011 5:44:53 PM PST by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: susannah59

You don’t need to ask permission. Make your demand.


41 posted on 11/24/2011 5:50:30 PM PST by Senator John Blutarski
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

All your cross are belong to us.


42 posted on 11/24/2011 6:02:43 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

Take down the A&M symbol, put the cross back up along with a UT symbol. Hook Em’ Horns!


43 posted on 11/24/2011 8:50:34 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Either Obama can beat any GOP candidate or no GOP candidate.)
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To: Ranald S. MacKenzie

I agree that there should be seperation between Church and State. But, someone cannot come in and dictate what a community’s belief’s should be, therefore, the only proactive approach is: Student’s should not register for any of Bradford’s classes. I respect her belief but we should not fund it. Do not register for any of her classes. Show her through civilized movement that we will not tolerate her opinion to dominate our culture.


44 posted on 11/24/2011 11:11:35 PM PST by U691642
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Take the school seal off, put the cross back on

Really, if they see a violation of the 1st Amendment, it is in the seal and not in the cross.

45 posted on 11/25/2011 8:57:25 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Carried to its logical conclusion, we will have to tear down crosses off of churches.

And change the names of cities like San Juan, San Antonio and your home of San Diego. By gosh, you may even have to change your freeper name!

46 posted on 11/25/2011 1:13:09 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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