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Posted on 11/25/2011 6:08:09 AM PST by lakeprincess
Doubts about Mitt Romneys fitness for the White House disappear when skittish Republicans, conservatives and even evangelicals consider the alternative: another four years of President Obama and his evolving administration.
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Uh, no they don’t.
Mitt is a mess.
Vote the most conservative candidate.
If we keep fishing from the same ol pond, were gonna keep catchin the same big mouth bass.
Mitt is a used car salesman, tell’n ya what you want to hear.
I don’t like Mitt but Mormonism has nothing to do with it.
Jennifer, not with me. I’ll take Obama over Mittens. At least Obama is a known quantity. Romney is a two-faced SOB. Conservatives are not likely to get anything from him they couldn’t get from Obama. Thanks but no thanks!
——————Doubts about Mitt Romneys fitness for the White House disappear when skittish Republicans, conservatives and even evangelicals consider the alternative: another four years of President Obama and his evolving administration.-——————
The author of this article is clueless.
The alternative to Romney is four more years of Obama? Sorry, I got news for the author of this article. The alternative to Romney is Herman Cain. The alternative to Mitt Romney is Michelle Bachmann. The alternative to Mitt Romney is several other people vying for the candidacy.
I’m sick of seeing the republican establishment set the terms. The establishment wants this over because they don’t want to see a conservative win, they want a republican like themselves to win.
Wishful thinking, another planted story by rove.
Never voting for Romney. I wouldn’t vote for the current Marxist in chief, but I would write in a conservative before voting for that RINO.
Maybe the Times is seeing something we don’t.
I don’t see anyone who wants Romney in the office of the Presidency except the RINO’s
I don’t like Mitt or Mormonism.
Pure compost. Critical thinking conservatives know that Romney is just Onada in whiteface. We will not vote for the man. We will vote for our man/woman.
yes....’The Architect’ of Obamney Care.
he makes me puke.
I don't care what religion or lack thereof a person harbors.
as long as he/she treats ‘The Constitution’ with an almost religious fervor....which Mittens does NOT.
I smell a Romney sycophant
I will not vote the lesser to two evils. . . . . . . .
Before anything else is said let me state first that I have nothing against Mormons, I respect them and their lifestyle. Not everyone however feels the same way i do and they have a right to feel however they want to feel.
The statement above about the lesser of two evils is the reason Mr. Romney is not a viable choice for the nomination. Some won’t vote for him because he isn’t conservative enough, some won’t vote for him because he is too conservative and some won’t vote for him because he is a Mormon, that’s a lot of people who won’t vote for him. There are many that will not vote at all rather than vote for the lesser of two evils.
Some won’t vote for Herman Cain because he is too conservative, but there are probably none that will not vote for him because he not conservative enough and certainly he does not have a “Mormon problem”.
The same can be said about Michelle Bachman and Rick Santorum. The left will never vote for a conservative or anyone they think might be conservative that is why the moderate Republicans always lose. The moderates think they will grab some of the votes from the left but they fail to realize how radical the left really is. We don’t need the left to win an election with a true conservative, the country is mostly conservative.
Many people will vote for Romney if the choice is Romney or Obama but I’m afraid it might not be enough. Four more years of Obama will really hurt.
Don't let emotion overrule your brain.
A Democratic president brings along Democratic cabinet members, a Democratic staff and Democratic mindsets. They nominate judges including the all important lifetime appointments at SCOTUS.
As painful as it may be to swallow, a weaselly Eastern Establishment liberal Republican is still superior to a Saul Alinsky trained socialist.
You may be willing to sacrifice the country for another decade or more in order to prove a point, but its just cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I learned that in 1992 and wish I could go back and change my vote for Perot.
Myth hasn’t dodged sniper bullets in Bosnia yet, so he can’t possibly be ready for office.
I agree. Four more years of obunghole and the country is finished.
I will not vote for Romney until he tells me whether he will install the Constitution on his new planet. After all, this life is one life only, but the planet that Mormonism says he will be given to populate is every life and for ever - isn't it?
You are exactly right. If Romney gets the nomination, I will hold my nose and vote for him. The very idea of another four years of Obama is frightening. Look at the damage he's already done so far. Another term and our beloved country will be no more.
I did that with McCain....and if I can do it for him, I can do it for any Republican.
In full disclosure, I was a brain-dead liberal until I saw the Democrats run roughshod over the Constitution during the Bork nomination hearing and then became incensed at the high tech lynching of Thomas.
I vowed then and there to never vote for a Democrat, under ANY circumstances, ever again.
It took a few more years to figure out that voting third party or even just "sitting this one out" was a vote for a Democrat just as sure as throwing a lever.
Its not a mormon fact IT IS a liberal factor.
Four more years of Obama will destroy the U.S. Any Repubican candidate will be better. The Media manipulates the masses to the left-wing liberal side. We have to think freely without distortion.
“voting for a third party or sitting it out”.
Amen! It is beyond belief that anyone would help Obama get re-elected. Look at the damage he has done in less than one term. I would take any of the GOP candidates over Obama without hesitation.
If POS Romney is the nominee, then O wins by default. Even if Romney could get elected,(which he won’t), he will just be more of the same commie crap.
No thanks. I will never vote for him, no matter what.
Romney has a planet now?
I won’t vote for Romney, period. I won’t validate Mormonism. And Mormonism is what causes Mitt to do Romneycare, so you can’t separate religion from politics.
I am 50 years old, an Active LDS (mormon) member all of my life .... and frankly .... I have no idea what you are talking about!
Mormons believing they are going to inherit a planet??? Where did you get ahold of that anti-mormon fantasy?
Show me where that is in the Bible/Book of Mormon! Or where Christ promised that?
Essentially, I believe that you are either incredibly gullible, ignorant, decieved or ... possibly all three at the same time!
Please, for the love of God himself, grow a brain.
I’ve been a freeper for a long time and I think you guys are misguided on Mitt. I am a native Michigander and Mitt’s father George was a very popular Republican governor there. My sister-in-law used to roam Mackinaw Island during the summer months with the young Mitt so she feels that she grew up with him. He’s a decent, kind, and honorable man...according to her. He has never forgotten her or her family and has done some very generous things throughout his life. He will be a fine President. Anyone who’d rather have Obama for a President is off their rocker. Mitt is not an unknown entity. He’s not a die hard conservative...but you’re dreaming if you think we will ever be able to win a National election with anything close to a “conservative.”
“Ill take Obama over Mittens.”
Really? You think that America will not be totally destroyed under 4 more years of 0bama/Soros/Ayers etc. Socialism/Communism?
I don’t like RINO Romney either, but I will vote for him over the COMMUNIST zer0. I’ll probably bite my tongue in half while pulling the lever, but I’m not going to give away the country or throw away the memories of all the soldiers that gave their lives to keep us free.
If we can survive 4 years of 0bama & gang, we can survive 4 years of Romney.
That’ll give us four years to find a REAL GOP CONSERVATIVE (or TEA Party) candidate that can run against him. America cannot withstand 4 more years of 0bama.
The first 4 years of 0bama were just paving the road and laying the groundwork for the total takeover of our country during the next four.
“In full disclosure, I was a brain-dead liberal until I saw the Democrats run roughshod over the Constitution during the Bork nomination hearing and then became incensed at the high tech lynching of Thomas.
I vowed then and there to never vote for a Democrat, under ANY circumstances, ever again.”
I could have written every word you wrote above.
I don’t care for Romney at all, he epitomizes the “slick northern Republican elite” wing of the party that wishes only to perpetuate their own power and influence and to heck with values or principles. But there is a high likelihood that we may be stuck with him as the nominee, courtesy of the primaries.
Given those circumstances, I’m reminded of the saying, “old age isn’t so bad, when you consider the alternative”.
Come election day, the question will boil down to:
“Obama — would we be better off with him, or without him?”
I know what my answer must be.
(by the way, I liked Eddie Willers and didn’t understand why Rand “left his character hanging” the way she did...)
I have been a freeper for a long time too and you have a valid point ‘river. Many of us trying to take a more realistic rational approach to debate have been asked to pack their bags. You know when your own team asks an Orange County, Newport Beach, Lincoln Clubber, Ronald Reagan Conservative with strong Libertarian beliefs to “pack their bags” from a conservative site like Free Republic then one can only assume that the idea here is WE THE PEOPLE, that is ALL the people of this nation MUST and WILL be ruled under one belief and one belief only. One ideology becomes doctrine the other destroyed. Does anyone really believe that is possible in The United States of America today...? Unless you are willing to go the way of balkanization and separation then you must learn and accept the fact life is about give and take and to claim victory is simply getting just a bit more than getting little or nothing at all.
There aren’t that many issues left, social or otherwise, that conservatives care about that haven’t been ruled on already, 9 out 10 times in favor of the left.. Just what am I fearing?
I don’t like Romney either and I am hoping against all hope that he will not make it as the nominee as he is the “it’s my turn candidate.” But it is just amazing all the “conservatives” here on FR that are willing to insure the failure of this country if Romney ends up being the GOP candidate. That’s just unbelievable, but these people have done this in the past and the results have been disasterous for our country. So go ahead and “show us” just how stupid you really are and stay home, or write in your dog, or whatever makes you “feel good.” I guess you are closet Liberals, because that’s how they vote; on their “feelings.” You are all a disgrace! To you BAC’s, “God helps those who help themselves.” He will “give” you that which you vote for!
Yes teppe, please do.
Of course it isn't in the bom or bible- just look further such as "Gospel Principles" and other mormon teachings.
It is a sad thing when mormons have to actually lie about mormon beliefs in order to try to convince others that it is legit.
Imagine the court without Alito and Roberts.
Mormons believing they are going to inherit a planet???
Show me where that is in the Bible
Thje Mormon males believe they will become gods and have their own planet full of willing young concubines...
But Tee Pee you know thats not in the Chrsitian Bible...
Its a belief and doctrine of Mormonism ...
Polygamy is adultery and adultery is a sin in Christianity...
its what leads to godhood...
however not in Mormonism..
Mormons believing they are going to inherit a planet???
Show me...where Christ promised that?
Christ would never promise such sin...
and nobody in this thread ever said He did...
Its blasphemy to blame the LORD Jesus Christ for the sinful nature and lusts of Joey Smith..
The Mortmon practice of polygamy is not part of Christianity
The anti-Christian womanizer Joey Smith made it all up in order to get himself lots of young virgin girls...
Current Mormon doctrine d&c 132...
Tee Pee to Richard: Essentially, I believe that you are either incredibly gullible, ignorant, decieved or ... possibly all three at the same time!
Richard, are you a Mormon ???
Sounds like Tee Pee is saying that you are...
but youre dreaming if you think we will ever be able to win a National election with anything close to a conservative.
and youre lacking in courage and convictions of you think a Conservative has to compromise his or her integrity and accept the liberal abortionist same sex marriage Romney..
I found it simply amazing that so many so-called FR "conservatives" are willing to let the GOP go downt he drain once and for all and become as extinct as the Whigs.
What? Do you think the conservative base of the party is just going to submit to a liberal RINO and the RINO takeover of the party and just roll over and play dead and submit themselves to this takeover?
Don't you realize a RINO takeover is the death knell of the party?
Don't you realize that GOP registered voters is only a bit over 1/3rd of all voters as it is? (About 36%)
If you knock that down to a quarter or possibly 20% of all voters -- with more than 10% of them being RINOs -- you really think there's anything left of the GOP to ever challenge the Democrats again?
How short-sighted can you get?
I am 50 years old, an Active LDS (mormon) member all of my life .... and frankly .... I have no idea what you are talking about! Mormons believing they are going to inherit a planet??? Where did you get ahold of that anti-mormon fantasy? Show me where that is in the Bible/Book of Mormon! Or where Christ promised that? Essentially, I believe that you are either incredibly gullible, ignorant, decieved or ... possibly all three at the same time! Please, for the love of God himself, grow a brain. [Teppe to "I am Richard Brandon"]
ALL: This is typical Mormon subterfuge. I don't know if Mormon FREEPERS like Ripliancum and Teppe makes them out to simply be ignorant Mormons; or, if it's worse ("lyin' for the Lord")...who knows their level of knowledge or intent?
But let's break this down and get to the truth, shall we?
Just as Ripliancum claimed last month, Teppe says here:
Mormons believing they are going to inherit a planet??? Where did you get ahold of that anti-mormon fantasy? Show me where that is in the Bible/Book of Mormon! Or where Christ promised that? [Teppe]
This was similar to Mormon poster Ripliancum failing to 'fess up over his similar epic failure where, he, too -- like Teppe -- lost all credibility once and for all on FR threads (Oct 23, 2011). Ripliancum claims: "Educate yourself. In my 40 plus years in the LDS church, I've never heard taught that we will all be gods of our own planets. That's a talking point of the evangelical opposition to the Church." [post #10]
Ripliancum made the statement to Livius but didn't publicly apologize to Livius re: his accusation of ignorance. Likewise, my prediction here is that Teppe won't follow up and apologize to "I am Richard Brandon" for his accusations that he is "either incredibly gullible, ignorant, decieved or ... possibly all three at the same time!" -- personally attacking that poster by claiming he was essentially brainless.
I am incredulous that in the face of overwhelming quotes from Mormon leaders over these teachings that such unmitigated shrill tactics of denial coupled with personal attacks even exist, let alone become escalated!
The Questions at hand?
* Have Mormon "prophets" taught that Mormons get their own planets?
* Have these teachings in recent decades been confirmed in official Lds publications?
* And have Mormon "prophets" gone on record as saying that "Living Mormon 'prophets'" trump even written Mormon "scripture?" [On this one see Ezra Taft Benson's "14 Fundamentals of a Mormon prophet" speech]
The answers to all of these questions is "yes."
Ripliancum and Teppe, as Mormons, may want to throw past Mormon "prophets" under the bus because those Mormon "prophets" put Mormons in a bad light before the world...But they can't take a scrub brush and wipe away what's been taught and republished by this generation of Mormon church officials.
A review of what those leaders taught -- and what the Mormon church has republished in Teppe's adult lifetime:
Lds "prophet" #10
To become like him we must have ALL the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an EARTH LIKE THIS ONE WE ARE ON and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and HAVE JURISDICTION OVER WORLDS, AND THESE WORLDS WILL BE PEOPLED BY OUR OWN OFFSPRING. WE WILL HAVE AN ENDLESS ETERNITY FOR THIS."
Source: Joseph Fielding Smith, 10th "prophet" of the Mormon church, Doctrines of Salvation, 2:48, as cited by The Mormon Churchs annual Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, 1978-79, p. 131
Tell us, Teppe, if you are 50 years old, why was your Mormon church dredging up this quote when you were 21 if it was mere "anti-Mormon fantasy?"
The author of a FR thread -- Mormon Professors Confuse Doctrine and Rumor -- noted that Lds scholar was committing the same distortions as what we've seen Teppe and Ripliancum engage in on FReeper threads. (See that link to see where Lds scholar Richard Bushman showed once and for all that he has no "scholarly" credibility remaining)
Hence, Sharon Lindbloom in her "Mormon Coffee" blog from Nov. 14, 2011 took the time to provide additional Lds sources where Mormons have taught that they will have their own planets' teaching...In fact, she shows how Mormon leaders have injected this into their kids' teachings...[I guess Teppe and Ripliancum skipped all those lessons, eh]
From: Mormon Professors Confuse Doctrine and Rumor -- citing the 12th "prophet" of the Mormon church:
...while serving as Prophet and President of the LDS Church, Spencer W. Kimball taught, Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to GOVERN SUCH A WORLD WITH ALL OF ITS PEOPLE.<.I> ( the Matter of Marriage [address delivered at University of Utah Institute of Religion, 22 Oct. 1976], 2). That was then35 years ago. But this is now: President Kimballs statement is quoted in three current LDS manuals. The manuals are produced by the Mormon Church for the purpose of teaching children (Chapter 4: Teaching Children: from Four to Eleven Years, A Parents Guide), high schoolers (Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Seminary Teacher Resource Manual Introduction), and college students (Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual 430 and 431, 29 [Chapter 10]).
Lindbloom also cited the 5th "prophet" of the Mormon church as having taught this:
Shortly before his death in 1901, fifth LDS Prophet and President Lorenzo Snow watched kindergarten children forming clay into spheres. President Snow turned to his companion and observed, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods.(Improvement Era, June 1919, 65859)
There it is on record. Teppe and Ripliancum have apparently tossed their 5th, 10th, and 12th "prophets" under the bus...Why? Teppe, was it only so that you could rev it up and unfairly engage in personal, hateful attacks upon other FREEPERS?
Shame on you Lds FREEPERS for not holding these Mormon posters accountable!
Their lack of adherence to historical truth brings into question their own intellectual integrity. Their scoldings of non-Mormon posters is quite shame-filled. And this behavior not being challenged by fellow Mormons shows they sanction it to some degree.
Better the devil you know...
Source: A Marist College poll of 1,026 U.S. adults conducted Nov. 8-10
I dont like Mitt but does Mormonism have anything to do with the way he thinks and makes decisions?
But the one we've got NOW can't even come up with a BUDGET!