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Gingrich brings common sense to immigration debate
MiamiHerald.com ^ | 11.26.11 | Andres Oppenheimer

Posted on 11/25/2011 9:23:02 PM PST by moonshinner_09

Finally, there is a voice of reason on immigration among the front-runners for the Republican nomination, who until last week's debate seemed to be competing with one another to see who could take the craziest stand against Hispanic immigrants.

Newt Gingrich, the front-runner of the moment as conservative Republicans seek an alternative for ideologically zigzagging second-place contender Mitt Romney, broke with the pack in the Nov. 22 CNN debate of Republican hopefuls by stating an obvious: It is realistically impossible, economically risky and ethically wrong to seek the deportation of all 11.2 million undocumented immigrants in this country.

Gingrich said that ultimately, the United States will have to find a system where, after securing the border with Mexico and launching a guest worker program to fill jobs that Americans won't take, "you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here."

"If you've been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, you've been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don't think we're going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out," Gingrich said.

For people who have been in this country for 25 years, Gingrich offered a "red card" program that would allow them to stay in this country, but not to get citizenship. Others who arrived more recently would be deported, he said.

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How can somebody be here 25 years be capable of paying taxes without the use of document fraud ? I do not call that obeying the law at all. Churches should not condone document fraud either. They always forget to pay income taxes, requires document fraud.
1 posted on 11/25/2011 9:23:15 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

after securing the border with Mexico , they been trying to do this for how long and still they cannot do it. This time will be no different


2 posted on 11/25/2011 9:25:16 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: moonshinner_09

“after securing the border with Mexico , they been trying to do this for how long and still they cannot do it. This time will be no different”

Who’s they? You mean “we” don’t you?


3 posted on 11/25/2011 9:26:38 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: moonshinner_09

Yes- allowing illegal immigrants to stay. Just ignore the word “illegal” and it all makes sense!


4 posted on 11/25/2011 9:27:02 PM PST by DBrow
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To: moonshinner_09

If the illustrious Andres Oppenheimer were to suddenly discover a colony of well behaved termites quietly living in his Miami home, only chewing quietly and out of sight for 25 years, I’m sure he would be happy to let the bugs continue to share the place with him, who needs structural beams and reinforcements? What could go wrong?


5 posted on 11/25/2011 9:28:41 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain !!)
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To: moonshinner_09

Mi casa es su casa.

Estoy llendo votar for Newt Gingrich. Si, ele esta el hombre correcto por el Presidente de Estados Unidos.

:-)


6 posted on 11/25/2011 9:31:26 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: moonshinner_09

The DNC voiced its full support for Newt. lol


7 posted on 11/25/2011 9:32:57 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: moonshinner_09
It's amazing how much support Gingrich's plan is getting from liberal columnists and illegal supporters. On second thought, no it isn't.
8 posted on 11/25/2011 9:34:44 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: moonshinner_09

been here 25 years, using 10 ID’s and SS #’s, on welfare the whole time, never learned english, still waving the Mexican flag at soccer games.....

That’s Newt’s target audience I guess.


9 posted on 11/25/2011 9:34:44 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: moonshinner_09

There has been a mess created over the last 25 years. Republicans and Democrats share equally in having created it. There are now 11 million plus people living in the U.S. illegally.

If you want to turn back the hands of time and say it never should have happened, you are correct. But what say you know on how to correct the problem?

- First step is to seal the border so the problem does not get any worse.

- Next step is to require all that are living here illegally to register and put them through background checks. No crimes here or in Mexico and they get to stay.

- They have to pay a fee - the same as legal immigrants are required to pay plus a premium.

- They must be processed through a seperate system than the present system for legal immigrant applications.

- Legal applications get processed at a faster pace.

- At the age of 18, everyone must serve 2 years of compulsary military service (that’s everyone, not just those here illegally). There are plenty of miles of border to keep them busy. Call it desert training.


10 posted on 11/25/2011 9:35:50 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: moonshinner_09
What is a "moonshinner?"
11 posted on 11/25/2011 9:38:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: DBrow
Yes- allowing illegal immigrants to stay. Just ignore the word “illegal” and it all makes sense!

That's exactly what we have been doing. Newt wants to do something very different. too bad you don't.

12 posted on 11/25/2011 9:40:57 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: moonshinner_09

Newt says that I’m inhumane for having the gall to want the law observed.

Maybe he’s right. Perhaps I should turn over a new leaf and welcome my friends from south of the border who’ve decimated the wages in the industry I built my business in, and who’ve caused my family to take a 40% pay cut over the last half decade.

Maybe I am inhumane for wanting to see those people deported, who’ve nearly destroyed the business my wife and I sweated and bled to build for so many years.

Who am I to complain about them stealing my children’s legacy? I’m sure my American forefathers (who go all the way back to before the founding of this country) would be ashamed of me for being so cruel and greedy.


13 posted on 11/25/2011 9:44:29 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: writer33

Yo soy un hombre de inmigrantes ilegales y los viejos aquí durante 25 largos años. Gracias por hacerme Newt legal. Mi familia le da las gracias porque puedo vivir con mi todos los bebés ancla. Gracias, señor!


14 posted on 11/25/2011 9:44:42 PM PST by federal__reserve (Only Herman Cain could break up Barack's 95% black voting block down to 75-80%.)
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To: jessduntno
“Who’s they? You mean “we” don’t you?”

Perhaps those who have been charged with securing the borders - pro-illegal representatives and officials - represent you (and based on your posts, they probably do). But, they don't represent me or the majority of FReepers.

15 posted on 11/25/2011 9:45:14 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: moonshinner_09

Anyone who has been in the USA as an illegal for 25 years has no reason to become a citizen. All that will happen is they will start getting screwed on taxes like the rest of us. They are no fools.


16 posted on 11/25/2011 9:45:45 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

You left out turning off the government freebies spigot, and denying them jobs, via use of the E-Verify system.

In my view, that’s even more important than securing the border. If you shut down the magnet, they’ll stop coming all on their own. In fact, they’ll self-deport, as they’re doing in Alabama.

It’s easy to do, and it won’t cost the American tax payer a penny.


17 posted on 11/25/2011 9:48:30 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Didn’t you used to post as Dane?


18 posted on 11/25/2011 9:49:32 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: bwc2221
It's amazing how much support Gingrich's plan is getting from liberal columnists and illegal supporters. On second thought, no it isn't.

Well said, and the articles all have HUMANE in their titles. It is all about cheap labor for corporations.
19 posted on 11/25/2011 9:49:58 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: hinckley buzzard

?


20 posted on 11/25/2011 9:52:01 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Fred
Newt talks about illegal aliens who have committed no crimes. I can only assume he doesn;t consider fraud or identity theft illegal either.
21 posted on 11/25/2011 9:53:25 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: moonshinner_09; All

RED CARD is code for amnesty and open borders.

Read this article by Mickey Klaus, liberal, but an excellent reporter and writer. He goes into detail on the RED CARD.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/23/newt-on-immigration-whaaa/


22 posted on 11/25/2011 9:55:03 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: Windflier

No E-Verify, no workee.
No E-Verify, no welfare.


23 posted on 11/25/2011 9:55:35 PM PST by umgud
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To: moonshinner_09

Gingrich said that ultimately, the United States will have to find a system where, after securing the border with Mexico and launching a guest worker program to fill jobs that Americans won’t take, “you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here.”

Anyone who doesn’t believe these boards will be stacked with businessmen who benefit from cheap labor, liberals, illegal alien supporters and bleeding hearts (like Newt) is a fool.


24 posted on 11/25/2011 9:57:37 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: moonshinner_09
Twenty five years ago is when Reagan signed amnesty, newt voted for it and newt promised that was the only time the border would be secured. Now Americans and two ex wives know not to trust a newt. …

point is if they were here twenty five years ago they could have become legal then. Newt is slinging green crap at the wall again.

25 posted on 11/25/2011 10:00:22 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: umgud
What we need to do is send some business owners who don't use e-verify and hire illegal workers to prison to send a message to other business owners and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
26 posted on 11/25/2011 10:00:35 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: moonshinner_09

Funny how Gingrich and the author offer up a straw man- that the other candidates are talking about deporting 12 million... It’s a shame, cause Gingrich was sounding so good in the debates, and then he pulls this garbage.


27 posted on 11/25/2011 10:01:46 PM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: federal__reserve

LOL!


28 posted on 11/25/2011 10:02:56 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: umgud
No E-Verify, no workee. No E-Verify, no welfare.

There you go. Unplug the magnet, and they'll stay home. Illegals depend upon the complicity of our government in their crimes to stay here.

They can't survive in America without jobs, and since they can't get good paying jobs, they also require welfare handouts to make it all work. Take those two things away, and the scourge will end overnight.

Or would that be "inhumane"?

29 posted on 11/25/2011 10:03:32 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: org.whodat
Newt is slinging green crap at the wall again.

And that's bad. We're not even talking about that chunky, industrial crap. We're talking green.

30 posted on 11/25/2011 10:05:13 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Fred
Anyone who has been in the USA as an illegal for 25 years has no reason to become a citizen.

Fred esta un hombre este sabe much. Me gusta Fred.

In English, Fred is a man that knows much. I like Fred. :-)

31 posted on 11/25/2011 10:07:06 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: GeronL

Memo to Gingrich: ‘Red card’ is path to amnesty

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2812454/posts

Fellow freepers RED CARD is code for amnesty. Newt is so arrogant he thinks his audience is too stupid to know this.


32 posted on 11/25/2011 10:07:35 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: Windflier
You left out turning off the government freebies spigot, and denying them jobs, via use of the E-Verify system. In my view, that’s even more important than securing the border. If you shut down the magnet, they’ll stop coming all on their own. In fact, they’ll self-deport, as they’re doing in Alabama.

Indeed I did leave out some good ideas. Of course, E-Verify should be mandatory.

However, realize that many have their own businesses, so to get a bank account everyone will need to show proof of citizenship. You agree?

About the border, the main reason to shut it down is for national security - although I suspect it is way too late for that one. I'm guessing that many that will do us harm have already come through the wide open borders.

33 posted on 11/25/2011 10:09:11 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: bwc2221

Who is Dane?


34 posted on 11/25/2011 10:09:55 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
“Next step is to require all that are living here illegally to register and put them through background checks.”

Right. Who is going to do that, the same folks who Ubama has directed to not enforce the immigration laws and registration requirements already on the books?

Forget Newt's half-baked plan. Self-deporting is efficient. It needs to start with employers who seek advantage by hiring illegals. Employers who hire illegals should be at risk of losing their business. Just as trucking companies who hire convicted DUI drivers are at risk.

Oldplayer

35 posted on 11/25/2011 10:11:09 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: umgud
No E-Verify, no workee. No E-Verify, no welfare.

No welfare period, at least for 10 years, the same as legal immigrants.

36 posted on 11/25/2011 10:11:45 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: oldplayer

Actually, you are probably right. The same problem that comes up trying to deport them all presents itself in trying to get them to register.


37 posted on 11/25/2011 10:13:13 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Fred

bump


38 posted on 11/25/2011 10:15:47 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
However, realize that many have their own businesses, so to get a bank account everyone will need to show proof of citizenship. You agree?

Without taking the time to think too deeply on it, sure, I could live with that.

Some of my competitors strike me as being of questionable legality. I've met a few who could barely speak English, yet they're taking business away from me every day.

I actually met up with one of these guys at his house once. I was shocked and amazed to find that he lived in one of the ritziest areas of North Dallas. His house has to be worth at least $500K, which is just short of a mansion in this neck of the woods.

I'm not saying the guy's illegal, but you can bet your last dollar that every guy on his crew is.

39 posted on 11/25/2011 10:16:36 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: moonshinner_09
after securing the border with Mexico , they been trying to do this for how long and still they cannot do it. This time will be no different

I live on the border, No one has tried to secure the border, they only pretend to secure the border, thinking they can fool us.

40 posted on 11/25/2011 10:17:59 PM PST by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
I don't really being right on this. It is a complicated problem. I feel sorry for some of those here illegally. I don't dislike them as human beings.

I do, however, hate very much what they, and those who enable them to stay here, are doing to our nation.

Oldplayer

41 posted on 11/25/2011 10:19:56 PM PST by oldplayer
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To: moonshinner_09
Gingrich brings common sense to immigration debate

What's that definition of "insanity" again?

Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

The federal bureaucracy definitely DOES NOT want to know how many millions of previously "forgiven" illegals have permanently joined the dozens of welfare and free money programs.

So no point in asking any of our elected corrupt or incompetent criminals.

42 posted on 11/25/2011 10:31:22 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Bachman, Perry, Romney, Cain and Gingrich have all determined that until the border is first secured, a perky policy on immigration isn’t going to be a serious one of any consequence. They all agree that “some”, but not all illegals will in the end be allowed to stay. Hotair clarifies that Bachman has said those words that “some can stay”. Romney will NEVER frog march illegals, and the other candidates want the southern border shut, but have certainly indicated that once it is closed there will be exceptions who will be staying. A hard discussion but reality is what it is.


43 posted on 11/25/2011 10:41:09 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: moonshinner_09; All

Gingrich brings common sense to immigration debate
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AMEN!!! HALLELUJAH!!! I hope more people begin to realize this. He’s the only one who has come up with a logical solution to a very complex problem that the last 5 Presidents ignored until it is now out of control. GOD BLESS NEWT GINGRICH!!!


44 posted on 11/25/2011 11:10:19 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: writer33

Si se puede....Si se puede....Si se puede.....


45 posted on 11/25/2011 11:12:11 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: GeronL

The DNC voiced its full support for Newt
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Don’t kid yourself; they fear him. He will mop the floor with Obozo in the Debates.


46 posted on 11/25/2011 11:13:17 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: moonshinner_09
I don't think being pro-amnesty brings common sense to an issue that's destroying our nation, and isn't taken serious by Newt. His common sense on the issue was nothing more than calling his reasonable Conservative supporters “inhumane”, which polls will show has ended his campaign next week. Anyone notice he isn't being attacked as a front runner the same as others either, because he's an unelectable liberal?

I'm supporting Herman Cain because I'm heartless, and inhumane. I lack compassion for everyone, and need so-called “Conservatives” constantly apologizing for my Conservatism. We all know Conservatives are violent people who have radical extremist views. That's why Mexico said it was worried about it's citizens here illegally safety. I mean just look at the statistics showing how many anti-illegal immigration U.S. citizens have been killing illegal immigrants because of our radicalism, compared to U.S. citizens being killed by illegal immigrants.

http://www.hermancain.com/

47 posted on 11/25/2011 11:20:39 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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To: GeronL; All

TO: ALL NEWT BASHERS: Will all you brilliant people PLEASE tell us YOUR workable solution to this mess that every President since Ronald Reagan has ignored and thereby created this monster? Come on; don’t say something stupid like “Deport them all” unless you are willing to offer to help car pool 11 million of them back to Mexico.

Let’s hear your solutions.


48 posted on 11/25/2011 11:21:43 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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To: Fred
Newt is so arrogant he thinks his audience is too stupid to know this.

As do many of his supporters.

No Newt. No Amnesty. No Thanks.

49 posted on 11/25/2011 11:23:33 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: moonshinner_09
1. The vast majority of the illegal immigration problem is due to people who came here less than the 25 years that Newt talked about.

2. NONE of these candidates if President would search these people out and deport them. Period.
50 posted on 11/25/2011 11:25:52 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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