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How can somebody be here 25 years be capable of paying taxes without the use of document fraud ? I do not call that obeying the law at all. Churches should not condone document fraud either. They always forget to pay income taxes, requires document fraud.
1 posted on 11/25/2011 9:23:15 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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after securing the border with Mexico , they been trying to do this for how long and still they cannot do it. This time will be no different


2 posted on 11/25/2011 9:25:16 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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Yes- allowing illegal immigrants to stay. Just ignore the word “illegal” and it all makes sense!


4 posted on 11/25/2011 9:27:02 PM PST by DBrow
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If the illustrious Andres Oppenheimer were to suddenly discover a colony of well behaved termites quietly living in his Miami home, only chewing quietly and out of sight for 25 years, I’m sure he would be happy to let the bugs continue to share the place with him, who needs structural beams and reinforcements? What could go wrong?


5 posted on 11/25/2011 9:28:41 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain !!)
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Mi casa es su casa.

Estoy llendo votar for Newt Gingrich. Si, ele esta el hombre correcto por el Presidente de Estados Unidos.

:-)


6 posted on 11/25/2011 9:31:26 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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The DNC voiced its full support for Newt. lol


7 posted on 11/25/2011 9:32:57 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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It's amazing how much support Gingrich's plan is getting from liberal columnists and illegal supporters. On second thought, no it isn't.
8 posted on 11/25/2011 9:34:44 PM PST by bwc2221
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been here 25 years, using 10 ID’s and SS #’s, on welfare the whole time, never learned english, still waving the Mexican flag at soccer games.....

That’s Newt’s target audience I guess.


9 posted on 11/25/2011 9:34:44 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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There has been a mess created over the last 25 years. Republicans and Democrats share equally in having created it. There are now 11 million plus people living in the U.S. illegally.

If you want to turn back the hands of time and say it never should have happened, you are correct. But what say you know on how to correct the problem?

- First step is to seal the border so the problem does not get any worse.

- Next step is to require all that are living here illegally to register and put them through background checks. No crimes here or in Mexico and they get to stay.

- They have to pay a fee - the same as legal immigrants are required to pay plus a premium.

- They must be processed through a seperate system than the present system for legal immigrant applications.

- Legal applications get processed at a faster pace.

- At the age of 18, everyone must serve 2 years of compulsary military service (that’s everyone, not just those here illegally). There are plenty of miles of border to keep them busy. Call it desert training.


10 posted on 11/25/2011 9:35:50 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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What is a "moonshinner?"
11 posted on 11/25/2011 9:38:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Newt says that I’m inhumane for having the gall to want the law observed.

Maybe he’s right. Perhaps I should turn over a new leaf and welcome my friends from south of the border who’ve decimated the wages in the industry I built my business in, and who’ve caused my family to take a 40% pay cut over the last half decade.

Maybe I am inhumane for wanting to see those people deported, who’ve nearly destroyed the business my wife and I sweated and bled to build for so many years.

Who am I to complain about them stealing my children’s legacy? I’m sure my American forefathers (who go all the way back to before the founding of this country) would be ashamed of me for being so cruel and greedy.


13 posted on 11/25/2011 9:44:29 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Anyone who has been in the USA as an illegal for 25 years has no reason to become a citizen. All that will happen is they will start getting screwed on taxes like the rest of us. They are no fools.


16 posted on 11/25/2011 9:45:45 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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Gingrich said that ultimately, the United States will have to find a system where, after securing the border with Mexico and launching a guest worker program to fill jobs that Americans won’t take, “you need something like a World War II Selective Service Board that, frankly, reviews the people who are here.”

Anyone who doesn’t believe these boards will be stacked with businessmen who benefit from cheap labor, liberals, illegal alien supporters and bleeding hearts (like Newt) is a fool.


24 posted on 11/25/2011 9:57:37 PM PST by bwc2221
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Twenty five years ago is when Reagan signed amnesty, newt voted for it and newt promised that was the only time the border would be secured. Now Americans and two ex wives know not to trust a newt. …

point is if they were here twenty five years ago they could have become legal then. Newt is slinging green crap at the wall again.

25 posted on 11/25/2011 10:00:22 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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Funny how Gingrich and the author offer up a straw man- that the other candidates are talking about deporting 12 million... It’s a shame, cause Gingrich was sounding so good in the debates, and then he pulls this garbage.


27 posted on 11/25/2011 10:01:46 PM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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Gingrich brings common sense to immigration debate

What's that definition of "insanity" again?

Trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

The federal bureaucracy definitely DOES NOT want to know how many millions of previously "forgiven" illegals have permanently joined the dozens of welfare and free money programs.

So no point in asking any of our elected corrupt or incompetent criminals.

42 posted on 11/25/2011 10:31:22 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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Bachman, Perry, Romney, Cain and Gingrich have all determined that until the border is first secured, a perky policy on immigration isn’t going to be a serious one of any consequence. They all agree that “some”, but not all illegals will in the end be allowed to stay. Hotair clarifies that Bachman has said those words that “some can stay”. Romney will NEVER frog march illegals, and the other candidates want the southern border shut, but have certainly indicated that once it is closed there will be exceptions who will be staying. A hard discussion but reality is what it is.


43 posted on 11/25/2011 10:41:09 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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Gingrich brings common sense to immigration debate
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AMEN!!! HALLELUJAH!!! I hope more people begin to realize this. He’s the only one who has come up with a logical solution to a very complex problem that the last 5 Presidents ignored until it is now out of control. GOD BLESS NEWT GINGRICH!!!


44 posted on 11/25/2011 11:10:19 PM PST by no dems (Why do you never see "Obama" bumper stickers on cars going to work in the morning?)
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I don't think being pro-amnesty brings common sense to an issue that's destroying our nation, and isn't taken serious by Newt. His common sense on the issue was nothing more than calling his reasonable Conservative supporters “inhumane”, which polls will show has ended his campaign next week. Anyone notice he isn't being attacked as a front runner the same as others either, because he's an unelectable liberal?

I'm supporting Herman Cain because I'm heartless, and inhumane. I lack compassion for everyone, and need so-called “Conservatives” constantly apologizing for my Conservatism. We all know Conservatives are violent people who have radical extremist views. That's why Mexico said it was worried about it's citizens here illegally safety. I mean just look at the statistics showing how many anti-illegal immigration U.S. citizens have been killing illegal immigrants because of our radicalism, compared to U.S. citizens being killed by illegal immigrants.

http://www.hermancain.com/

47 posted on 11/25/2011 11:20:39 PM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Support Herman Cain in the Republican Primary! Donate and Campaign for Herman Cain!)
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LOL...There are so many logical, theoretical and practical flaws in Gingrich's (and others') proposals that precludes any "common sense" from entering the debate.

Any proposal that begins with words to the effect of, "First we secure the border, then...", or, "Once we secure the border..." is spurious. Such proposals make border security a conditional bargaining chip for follow on policies and actions. As long as that remains the case, those follow-ons remain negotiable and a matter of discourse and debate which will never be resolved, ergo, the prerequisite of securing the border will never be addressed.

What we need right now is for the candidates and the discourse to focus on how best to secure the border. This should be the exclusive concern, and is indeed, a Constitutional mandate. The politicians need to understand that regardless of what takes place afterwards, the border MUST be secured. Once that has happened, we can openly debate and discuss how best to approach the remaining crimmigrants, but until then, such discussions are little , more than political masturbation.

Secondly, Newt's "timeline" of 25 years is ridiculous. What kind of documentary proof is a crimmigrant going to provide to establish he's been here for 25 years? A fake driver's license? A bogus social security card? Either we're going to accept questionable documentation at face value, or we're going to spawn a whole new bureacracy dedicated to doing nothing more than validating the documents provided...

84 posted on 11/26/2011 2:55:19 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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The red card program that Gingrich advocates would let employers hire anyone from anywhere.

Further, Gingrich would have local compassion boards (my name, not his) grant whatever illegals they’d like the right to stay illegally.

Finallly, Gingrich would let any of all those newly legalized get in line for citizenship while on a visit back at their homeland.

Put together, those three points to his program offer citizenship to pretty much any and every illegal, though they might simply be here legally for awhile while waiting for citizenship to come through.


93 posted on 11/26/2011 3:51:04 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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