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Oil Rigs Bring Camps of Men to the Prairie (Oil Jobs but no Housing in ND)
NY Times ^ | 11/25/11 | A.G. Sulzberger

Posted on 11/26/2011 10:00:18 AM PST by Titus-Maximus

TIOGA, N.D. — As much as the drilling rigs that tower over this once placid corner of the prairie, the two communities springing up just outside of town testify to the galloping pace of growth here in oil country.

They are called man camps — temporary housing compounds supporting the overwhelmingly male work force flooding the region in search of refuge from a stormy economy. These two, Capital Lodge and Tioga Lodge, built on opposite sides of a highway, will have up to 3,700 residents, according to current plans.

Confronted with the unusual problem of too many unfilled jobs and not enough empty beds to accommodate the new arrivals, North Dakota embraced the camps — typically made of low-slung, modular dormitory-style buildings — as the imperfect solution to keeping workers rested and oil flowing.

But now, even as the housing shortage worsens, towns like this one are denying new applications for the camps. In many places they have come to embody the danger of growing too big too fast, cluttering formerly idyllic vistas, straining utilities, overburdening emergency services and aggravating relatively novel problems like traffic jams, long lines and higher crime.

The grumbling has escalated despite the huge influx of wealth from the boom, largely because it has become clear that growth is overwhelming capacity. Indeed, local leaders note incredulously that a conference on regional infrastructure took place in Colorado last month because the region lacked the facilities to host its own event.

“We need a little time to catch our breath to figure out what resources we need in place before we keep expanding,” said Ward Heidbreder, city coordinator in nearby Stanley, which has two camps.

In recent weeks, Williams County, where thousands of previously approved camp beds have yet to be built, and Mountrail County, where one-third

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: keystonepipeline; northdakota; shaleoil
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The motels are sold out for years, workers are sleeping in their cars. Some roughnecks are making $100K per year and they need more people as more drilling continues. Workers are coming from all over the country.

They will be drilling for decades!

America is blessed.

1 posted on 11/26/2011 10:00:32 AM PST by Titus-Maximus
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To: Titus-Maximus

somebody smart will get a bunch of manufactured homes up there asap, then stay and build the real thing.


2 posted on 11/26/2011 10:03:09 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Building it, they will come.


3 posted on 11/26/2011 10:04:09 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

This is good for the workers and the local economy, but some accomodations need to be made for the upcoming South Dakota (Extremely harsh) winter.


4 posted on 11/26/2011 10:04:45 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Titus-Maximus
But now, even as the housing shortage worsens, towns like this one are denying new applications for the camps. In many places they have come to embody the danger of growing too big too fast, cluttering formerly idyllic vistas, straining utilities, overburdening emergency services and aggravating relatively novel problems like traffic jams, long lines and higher crime.

Idyllic vistas? Drill Baby! Drill!

5 posted on 11/26/2011 10:05:52 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I thought they were in North D? But yeah, the winter is brutal


6 posted on 11/26/2011 10:07:21 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: mylife

O noes! O noes! This is a totally new problem! No industry or locality has ever dealt with a sudden influx of workers before!

O big mama government, Do Something! Save them!


7 posted on 11/26/2011 10:08:43 AM PST by Tax-chick (Thomas Sowell. Accept no substitutes!)
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To: mylife

Know what an “idyllic vista” means? NO PEOPLE. Yes, drill baby drill!


8 posted on 11/26/2011 10:09:10 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Occupy North Dakota.


9 posted on 11/26/2011 10:09:33 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Titus-Maximus.


10 posted on 11/26/2011 10:10:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: yldstrk

I have a 38 ft motor home with push out for sale, complete with washer and dryer.


11 posted on 11/26/2011 10:11:29 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: mylife

Looks like CHUs like I lived in in Iraq and Afghanistan. Not a bad way to live. Certainly better than living in dusty hangars and tents (also in Iraq and Afghanistan). I wonder if they need any IT support out there....


12 posted on 11/26/2011 10:14:41 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Looks like a prime opportunity for housing developers!

Go capitalism!!


13 posted on 11/26/2011 10:15:45 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Get it on up north, lady!


14 posted on 11/26/2011 10:15:52 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Future Snake Eater

They probably need it all, man.


15 posted on 11/26/2011 10:16:39 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I would rather sleep in the dirt than in those Army tents, packed full of soldiers.


16 posted on 11/26/2011 10:18:20 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Can’t Obama send his regulators in to solve this problem? /s


17 posted on 11/26/2011 10:18:20 AM PST by umgud
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To: yldstrk

Easier said than done. I’d love to find it a new home. It just sits in our drive as a yard ornament.


18 posted on 11/26/2011 10:20:07 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Titus-Maximus
"The motels are sold out for years, workers are sleeping in their cars. Some roughnecks are making $100K per year and they need more people as more drilling continues. Workers are coming from all over the country."

The housing inconvenience is strictly temporary. The permanent structures that will result from the influx of people and money will last a LOT longer. Especially if local governments (at all levels) SAVE some of that revenue, as Alaska has done (and Louisiana, my home state, failed to do).

19 posted on 11/26/2011 10:26:13 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Titus-Maximus

Bull, study after study shows the men travel with the rigs, and there are only so many drill rigs. And campers are not really selling well with 4.00 fuel. Actually many of those companies making campers have gone belly up. Want work, get a job in the home community of these rigs and learn the job.


20 posted on 11/26/2011 10:28:15 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

If these were Obama jobs, the New York Times would present this as Nirvana.


21 posted on 11/26/2011 10:30:04 AM PST by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Bring it up there and rent it out!


22 posted on 11/26/2011 10:30:30 AM PST by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: org.whodat

I got no clue what you are talking about!


23 posted on 11/26/2011 10:33:14 AM PST by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Titus-Maximus

They will be drilling for as long as it makes economic sense to do so.

People who don’t live near or in boom towns/regions in the west where natural resource booms happen don’t understand how they rise ... and then collapse at 3X the speed of the rise.

The S&L banking scandal of the 1980’s (for which we taxpayers were bilked of $500B+ of money to bail out) was a result of the oil patch boom of the early 80’s. Everyone was saying that commodities (especially oil and gold) would go up and never come back down.

As we saw by 1986, this turns out to be a bad assumption.


24 posted on 11/26/2011 10:35:46 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Titus-Maximus

Just think of the jobs which will be created when they build the infrastructure - sewers, water treatment plants, roads, etc. - and when they increase their local law enforcement. The local governments should get off their duffs and start to work on this, rather than wringing their hands.


25 posted on 11/26/2011 10:40:12 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: Tax-chick
You're right. Never happened before! Men living in remote camps. How uncivilized. Better to stay home all toasty and play Wii.


26 posted on 11/26/2011 10:40:20 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Wonder Warthog

Ever been in a ghost town in the west?

Ever wonder why those structures were abandoned?

Because when these local economies are based on these resource booms... when the oil/gas/gold/silver/etc runs out... it doesn’t much matter whether the local politicians were smart and saved for a rainy day. The economy goes down and the population implodes with the resource depletion.

Best example I can give you is Eureka, NV. Small town (and county) that has been run very prudently for decades every time a wave of mining comes through an brings in a fresh injection of money. They have no debt, they’re so fat with tax funds that the state of Nevada wants to rob their school fund.

The population is only about 700, with moly mining it might go up to about 1500 for a while. When the moly mine north of town is depleted (or the gold at Ruby Hill runs out first), the population, it will go back down to 500 people or so, and there will be lots of unoccupied housing, just as there was when gold was under $300/oz. The local economy reverts to farming, ranching and tourism during hunting season, and that’s about it.

If I were in those areas of North Dakota, I’d be telling the county government to not allow a housing boom to take off... because when the oil development is done, they could implode their local real estate market with the left over housing.

In these situations, the mining/oil companies and counties have found it better to set up a man camp, pull in the groady trailers, which can then be hauled right back out when the boom is inevitably over.


27 posted on 11/26/2011 10:41:53 AM PST by NVDave
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To: hsalaw

Study the west and ghost towns (and I’ve lived in one) and you see there’s a reason why the counties and local governments wring their hands.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 10:43:16 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Tax-chick

“O big mama government, Do Something! Save them!”

These are definitely NOT the jobs Obama had in mind. Surely there is something he can do to stop this.


29 posted on 11/26/2011 10:43:28 AM PST by Avid Coug
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To: NVDave

Sure, no one can predict the future, but oil is over $100 when we are in an invisible recession, what will it be when this economy is moving again. The past also did not have China and India and one billion more cars on the road, plus huge domestic demand for petroleum based products! These are world changing factors that have driven oil rigs to every corner of the Earth - like Cuba. We have also been drilling in the US for decades. So it is very likely this will continue for a long time.

They are producing about 400K barrels per day in ND, which is $40 million a day in revenues. In a state that has very few people. The reserves are huge and the prediction is one million barrels per day.

Just like the oil sands in Canada - it will go on for a long time, and it will enrich us, and weaken our enemies only if we can stop the green anarchists and their leader, Barack Obama.


30 posted on 11/26/2011 10:48:20 AM PST by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Titus-Maximus

What we are doing in South Texas is building a lot of 14-20 spot RV parks. They are usually full by the time they get them finished. Also some of the oil companies are building apartments.

Some of the workers are driving 100 miles one way to work.

The companies are giving them housing allowances.


31 posted on 11/26/2011 10:48:49 AM PST by Faith-Hope
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To: Faith-Hope

Open a restaurant - even a pizzeria, and get rich. There will be nothing for these workers to do on their day off.


32 posted on 11/26/2011 10:53:01 AM PST by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Titus-Maximus

Neither does anybody else!

The interiors of these beer cans are actually quite nice. All wood, cozy looking. I’d post the pic but being NYT nobody can.


33 posted on 11/26/2011 10:54:14 AM PST by txhurl
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To: hsalaw
and when they increase their local law enforcement.

They already have.

ND hired another 100 sheriffs a while back to police the trucker driving hours....some are working 100 hours a week and pulling in 6 figures.

I guess all the former sheriffs got jobs as oil field workers.

34 posted on 11/26/2011 11:06:43 AM PST by spokeshave (Cain....100% American, 100% Black and 100% for the Constitution...999 an added benefit.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

As I said before: It will go on for as long as it is economically viable. You mention the Canadian oil sands. They have very high start-up costs, and pretty high ongoing costs. Here’s an example of the levels of crude prices they need to sustain themselves:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904007304576498633288366042.html

A pipeline would help their profit margin, but absent that, they have some pretty high costs in those projects.

At the depths of the implosion in 2008-2009, oil was under $50/bbl. Add in the addition of Bakken oil at cheaper prices and the oil sands have a problem. If the Saudis want to gut the Bakken project, they could just turn on their excess production capacity for a year after the infrastructure is into ND and bleed them dry. The Saudi’s have done this crap before, BTW.

As I said, we’ve heard this “oil will be expensive forever” talk before. Farmers used to crow about how much money they were making in the late 70’s and early 80’s... people used to think that gold was going to the moon in the late 70’s.

And by 1986, all that talk was busted and gone. The oil patch in OK/CO/TX/NM saw a devastating five to 10 year period after ‘86. In ‘86, farmers were going bust left and right.

If you go back to the 1920’s, you’ll see the same pattern as well.

BTW - when the economy gets moving again will be much further out than economists are predicting. It always is after a debt deflation. Look at Japan for an example of a multi-decade period of economic mediocrity, despite massive “stimulus” of both fiscal and monetary varieties.

I suspect that in the near term, we’re going to see lower commodity prices across the board as the speculators are pulling in their horns. JP Morgan just issued a “get out of commodities” letter to clients this past week:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/phase-shift-jp-morgan-downgrades-all-commodities-sell

People who live and have lived for decades in commodity-based local economies know this. They know about boom-bust cycles, and they’re smart to not rush into building a lot of housing that will become a problem in the future.


35 posted on 11/26/2011 11:10:43 AM PST by NVDave
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To: yldstrk

Yep I bet about now a 3 bedroom mobile home could easily be rented for $1000 a week.Bet anyone who wanted to sell an RV right now could take them there and they would be sold by the end of the first day.


36 posted on 11/26/2011 11:20:28 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Drive it on up there. You'd probably get top dollar for it.
37 posted on 11/26/2011 11:32:41 AM PST by 2111USMC (Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.)
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I’d be telling the county government to not allow a housing boom to take off...

Pick and choose which Constitutionally guaranteed rights should apply much? That comment fits right in with the communist manifesto.

38 posted on 11/26/2011 11:34:55 AM PST by theymakemesick
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To: 2111USMC

Road trip!


39 posted on 11/26/2011 11:45:23 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Titus-Maximus

Sounds like the Alaska Pipeline days in the late 70’s....temp housing is what’s needed. Back then, we had a mechanic make MORE in one year than our Company President (Caterpillar dealership)


40 posted on 11/26/2011 11:50:07 AM PST by goodnesswins (Being Thankful I was born in the great U S of A!)
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To: Titus-Maximus

I seem to remember OUR brilliant government buying thousands of trailers which were thought to be too demeaning for welfare recipients and their ilk (yes some taxpayers were involved) that just rusted out.
Refurbish them and let the field workers have them.
Hell, they won’t care, they are just working and paying taxes so what they think doesn’t matter anyway.

Wasn’t it Mayor ‘Ray’ that said the school buses were inadequate transportation to evacuate New Orleans they needed luxury buses with rest rooms etc?


41 posted on 11/26/2011 11:50:13 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) If govt involved, the more outlandish a scheme appears, the truer it probably is.)
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To: Tax-chick

Okay. First thing we do is start the sensitivity training sessions. Then set up the Human Rights Commission in really plush digs. Then build several palaces for the lawyers.

Then bring in the Sierra Club and its pet, the EPA, to sue everyone in sight for hoping to endanger the left-handed cross-dressing upside-down snarkfishwarblerspottedbluefinglowthing.

Invent some new OSHA safety standards.

Trot out some victims of anything.

Then, most important of all, raise taxes.

That’s just the start. We’ll have the economy roaring in no time.


42 posted on 11/26/2011 11:52:37 AM PST by DPMD
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To: mylife

That looks nicer than my barracks in Kuwait.


43 posted on 11/26/2011 11:53:46 AM PST by Tailback
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To: umgud; All
Can’t Obama send his regulators in to solve this problem? /s

Obama: YES WE CAN CAN'T!!!


44 posted on 11/26/2011 11:55:57 AM PST by QT3.14
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To: Titus-Maximus

Open a restaurant - even a pizzeria, and get rich. There will be nothing for these workers to do on their day off.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Then the ‘mob’ can pony up and build several saloons with hotels above them, giving Miss Kitty and her frolicsome companions a shot at the ‘big bucks’.

Entrepreneurship at its finest.
Put the opportunity for money out there and someone will conjure up many ways to get you to give it to them.


45 posted on 11/26/2011 11:58:02 AM PST by xrmusn ((6/98) If govt involved, the more outlandish a scheme appears, the truer it probably is.)
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To: Tailback

I believe you!


46 posted on 11/26/2011 12:16:26 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

My dad has one too that he hates


47 posted on 11/26/2011 12:45:37 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DPMD
First thing we do is start the sensitivity training sessions.

Yep, everyone knows that's the first priority in any situation that requires prompt action!

If winter wasn't underway, I'd think this was the perfect time to take all my free labor (10 kids) on a road trip with a trailer full of laundry equipment. It worked in the Gold Rush!

48 posted on 11/26/2011 12:49:53 PM PST by Tax-chick (Thomas Sowell. Accept no substitutes!)
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To: Titus-Maximus
Governor, I believe we have an excellent business opportunity stairing us in the face ...

...We need some land to build some soloons ...

... and bring in some dancing girls, we'll make a killing! ...


49 posted on 11/26/2011 12:53:01 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

South Dakota is the tropics. This is North Dakota.


50 posted on 11/26/2011 1:02:28 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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