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Gingrich says he is 'not for amnesty,' defends immigration stance
The Hill ^ | 11/26/11 | Meghashyam Mali

Posted on 11/26/2011 1:01:37 PM PST by presidio9

GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich defended his immigration stance Friday, claiming that he was "not for amnesty."

“I am not for amnesty for anyone. I am not for a path to citizenship for anybody who got here illegally,” Gingrich said at a town hall event in Naples, Florida according to media reports.

“But I am for a path to legality for those people whose ties run so deeply in America that it would truly be a tragedy to try and rip their family apart," said the former House Speaker.

Gingrich has been under fire from some anti-illegal immigration groups since last Tuesday's GOP debate where he spoke out against deporting many illegal immigrant families.

During Friday’s town hall, Gingrich said that if elected he would make securing the border a priority and would support efforts to make English the country's official language.

He said he would also establish a guest-worker program to allow migrants to work in the U.S. But under such a program, businesses which hired undocumented workers would be hit with fines.

"I would have very, very stiff economic penalties for anyone who hires somebody who is not legally inside the system," Gingrich vowed.

At last Tuesday’s GOP debate, Gingrich said that he supported efforts to allow tax-paying illegal immigrants without criminal records to remain in the country or gain citizenship.

“If you've come here recently, you have no ties to this country, you ought to go home, period,” Gingrich had said. “If you've been here 25 years and you got three kids and two grandkids, you've been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, I don't think we're going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.”

"I don't see how the party that says it's the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families which have been here a quarter-century," he added. "I'm prepared to take the heat for saying let's be humane in enforcing the law."

Gingrich has faced criticism for his comments from other Republicans. Rep. Michelle Bachmann (Minn.) said in an interview that Gingrich had the “most liberal position on illegal immigration of any of the candidates in the race.”

Influential Iowa congressman Rep. Steve King (R) described Gingrich’s proposals as a “form of amnesty”

“I wouldn’t agree with him on that policy,” King added, suggesting that Gingrich had hurt his chances of winning his endorsement prior to the Iowa caucuses.

The furor over Gingrich’s immigration stance comes as new national polls place him ahead of Romney in the GOP field.


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I don't agree with everything Newt is saying, but I respect a politician who treats a difficult and controversial topic with the gravity required, and comes up with a workable solution. I have no doubt that this thread is going to attract plenty of anti-Gingrich spammers. I only wish that before you attack Gingrich, you name your candidate, and why you prefer his or her solution for immigration reform.
1 posted on 11/26/2011 1:01:46 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Newt believes America must be a nation of laws. The first duty of the federal government is national defense, and it is inexcusable that we haven’t secured the border. In his 21st Century Contract with America, Newt pledges to control the southern border by January 1, 2014, waiving any regulations and pushing aside any bureaucracies that get in the way. As we secure the border, we must make an aggressive and serious effort to deport all criminals, gang members, and any other threats to our society as quickly as possible. We must also tap into the ingenuity of the private sector to better validate who is in the United States legally. Newt opposed the DREAM Act. However, he did agree with part of the legislation which allowed those who came to the United States illegally as children to serve in the U.S. Military to earn their citizenship, just as foreign nationals are today allowed to do the same. Furthermore, Newt has proposed giving local communities the authority to allow those with long established roots in the neighborhood a legal residency status, but not citizenship. Newt believes local communities are at a better vantage point to determine if those there illegally should stay or go. Under this system, we will send home those with no family or community ties and quickly deport those who have committed criminal and other destructive acts, while providing minimal disruption to families and communities. Read Newt’s 10 step immigration plan here.
2 posted on 11/26/2011 1:03:21 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: presidio9
I don't agree with everything Newt is saying, but I respect a politician who treats a difficult and controversial topic with the gravity required, and comes up with a workable solution. I have no doubt that this thread is going to attract plenty of anti-Gingrich spammers. I only wish that before you attack Gingrich, you name your candidate, and why you prefer his or her solution for immigration reform.

The devil is in the details with Newt's so-called plan.

Try reading the fine details.

With regards to the border fence, he wants fencing only in strategic urban areas.

Do you know how much Urban area there is along the border?

Probably less than 1/10 of 1 percent.

So in an effort to sound like he is strong on the border, he throws up, at least in this instance, a plan that leaves the status quo in place where the border fence is concerned.
3 posted on 11/26/2011 1:06:55 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: presidio9
OK, Newt is not for amnesty “But I am for a path to legality for those people whose ties run so deeply in America that it would truly be a tragedy to try and rip their family apart."

You can't have it both ways, Newt. You came out for amnesty, but you're now trying to sidestep it because the people are letting you know that your viewpoint is a LOSER.

Newt's "explanation" is completely schizo. He says he's not for amnesty, then goes on to explain that he wants to set up a program for amnesty. Just like Perry, Newt fell on the amnesty-sword and he can't un-ring that bell now.

4 posted on 11/26/2011 1:08:42 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: presidio9

Gingrich is right on and makes sense. Foolish posters think almost 20 million illegals can be deported. It involves more than just Mexicans.


5 posted on 11/26/2011 1:09:30 PM PST by Logical me
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To: ez
Newt believes America must be a nation of laws.

So if Newt believes that America must be a nation of laws, he must be for enforcing the laws for the following illegal actions, correct?

1. Illegal Entry into our nation.
2. Aquiring a fake IDs(drivers licenses, Social Security IDs, etc).
3. Using a fake ID to aquire health services


If he believes so much in America being a nation of laws, then he will push for complete and thorough application of said laws.
6 posted on 11/26/2011 1:10:23 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: presidio9

Please, rape them long enough and you become family?

Thats insane.

These are the people having the US flag banned at schools on May 5th while they carry Mexican flags, cheer on foreign soccer teams and have no loyalty to this country at all.


7 posted on 11/26/2011 1:11:06 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presidio9

“Rep. Michelle Bachmann (Minn.) said in an interview that Gingrich had the “most liberal position on illegal immigration of any of the candidates in the race.””

Here is the typical slimy double speak of a shyster lawyer. She is on video saying about the same thing as Gingrich in one of the prior debates. This woman is a liar and will say anything to get attention.

Of all those running, I rate her at the bottom of the barrel right there with her new found buddy Glenn Beck, who is another opportunist who will suck up to anyone to get attention.


8 posted on 11/26/2011 1:11:57 PM PST by crz
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To: Logical me

Nobody thinks that.

You cut off the benefits and they leave on their own.

No more welfare, no more free schools, no more free ER, no more driving without licenses and insurance etc etc


9 posted on 11/26/2011 1:12:38 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Logical me
Foolish posters think almost 20 million illegals can be deported. It involves more than just Mexicans.

Foolish poster falsely raises a strawman that most Freepers to believe in.

Do the following and the illegal invaders will self deport:

1. Implement complete and total E-verify for all positions of employment in the US.
2. Implement E-Verify usage for all social services. You don't have a valid ID, you don't get services.


Just implementing those two actions would cause most of them to scurry back to whereever they came from without any effort to physically deport them.
10 posted on 11/26/2011 1:13:38 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

The devil is always in details. Let’s just not have any!


11 posted on 11/26/2011 1:14:32 PM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: SoConPubbie; ez
You might want to read Newt's 10-step comprehensive overhaul plan. The link is here.
12 posted on 11/26/2011 1:16:07 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Gingrich says he is 'not for amnesty,'

Deja vu. That's what John McCain said also.

13 posted on 11/26/2011 1:16:20 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: presidio9

Let me guess .. he wants to be Romney II and just say what he thinks will get him elected.

Sorry Newt. Go away.


14 posted on 11/26/2011 1:16:25 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: presidio9
You might want to read Newt's 10-step comprehensive overhaul plan. The link is here.

I did, that's how I know what I posted is accurate.
15 posted on 11/26/2011 1:16:47 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie
The devil is in the details with Newt's so-called plan. Try reading the fine details.

Good idea. Read Newt’s 10 step immigration plan here.

16 posted on 11/26/2011 1:16:53 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Copy and paste to ‘real’ conservatives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_zNR53k5Lg

I’m no fan of Amnesty, definitely don’t want to give citizenship and favor mandatory e-verify...but would you vote for this man if you heard this answer....?


17 posted on 11/26/2011 1:17:13 PM PST by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: presidio9

Perry was pounded for this. It is so ridiculous to make this such a big issue when history proves than no matter who gets in the WH none of this will ever change short of a complete changeover and revamp. So why throw out candidate after candidate over this? Perry is more conservative than Gingrich but was dismissed.ALL need too think before we have Romney or Obama.Perry may be our only hope.


18 posted on 11/26/2011 1:18:01 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: GeronL
You cut off the benefits and they leave on their own.

Actually, this is philosphy is at the core of the Gingrich solution. Nobody who can't pay their own way, including health insurance, gets to stay.

19 posted on 11/26/2011 1:18:53 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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You might want to read Newt's 10-step comprehensive overhaul plan.

Yes, and pay special attention to section 6.

6. Create a path to earned legality for some of the millions of people who are here outside the law ILLEGALLY.

No thanks.

20 posted on 11/26/2011 1:19:39 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: presidio9
“But I am for a path to legality for those people whose ties run so deeply in America that it would truly be a tragedy to try and rip their family apart," said the former House Speaker.

Rush nailed it (as he usally does) when he opined that once you make these illegals "legal," how long doe anyone think it will be, before the ACLU files a lawsusit (appropriately "Judge shopped") and argues it is "Unconstitutional" to make these people "legal" while refusing to grant them "Citizenship?"

Probably about as long as it takes to read this comment.

Moreover, HOW is one going to "prove" length of time in country?

These MILLIONS will be put on the "Honor System" (yeah right!!!) and almost all will swear on their Mother's grave or bible, or whatever, they have lived here 25 years and 1 month.

No "Amnesty" Newt?

Maybe not "de facto," but certainly "de jure" and if it "Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.......ITS AMNESTY!"

21 posted on 11/26/2011 1:21:02 PM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: presidio9
"While in Congress in the 1980s and 1990s, Gingrich tended to support illegal-alien amnesties. Later, he made fairly specific arguments against mass legalizations. But recently, his statements have lacked any clarity about what he proposes actually doing with the millions of illegal aliens. Overall, his platform on amnesties is Unhelpful."

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/newt-gingrich.html

22 posted on 11/26/2011 1:21:16 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless & Inhumane)
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To: ez
Good idea. Read Newt’s 10 step immigration plan here.

Already read Newt's plan.

He needs to enforce the laws as is, build the COMPLETE fence NOW, and implement E-Verify for all employment and acquisition of social services.

No need to grant a "Limited Amnesty" (his words), no need to create a new type of legal residency, no need to create more federal bureaucracy to implement his solution, no need for physical and messy deportation, they self deport.

Problem solved and no need to compromise on conservatism to buy votes or please the GOP elite.
23 posted on 11/26/2011 1:22:12 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: presidio9

Now we have TWO BURRITOS. Perry and Newt. White on the outside and beans on the inside.

What the answer to all these illegals who have been here for 25 years is....”Well we let them overstay for 25 stinking years, enough is enough and its time to go back to Mejico. Plus, they can take all the money and knowledge they gained illegally. Can’t beat that.

Round up 200,000 a month. Thats just 4000 per State. LOL. Ok California and Texas would have higher quotas. Still that gets you to TEN MILLION in ONE TERM.


24 posted on 11/26/2011 1:22:35 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Logical me
Foolish posters think almost 20 million illegals can be deported.

Foolish Newt wants to deport them, then bring them back to get their citizenship. So he wants 20 million illegals not only moved once, but twice. Brilliant.

Of course, he probably changed his latest spin on that. Hard to keep up with his brilliance, being dumb and heartless and all
25 posted on 11/26/2011 1:23:28 PM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: presidio9

I doubt it. I don’t believe anything he says. Did he want to pay for his own limo driver? Of course not, thats our job. Millions from Freddie Mac for an hour of “work” a month... whats the real story? He was giving them legitimacy to get the GOP to back off oversight of the “model organization”

He is totally corrupt


26 posted on 11/26/2011 1:24:09 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: ez

People that fall for this plan are dummer than doorknobs. Look what creating a quasi-legal status in “resident” did for Texas. Taxpayers are on the hook for the differential between instate vs. out-of-state tuition rates for ingrate DREAMERS.Then as pointed out shrewdly by Rush a court case will easily create an “equal protection” lawsuit granting equal rights to “residents” as citizens. Take note of the AG lawsuit from Louisiana regarding distorted political representation by counting illegals in the census. This boys and girls is called “loss of the political nation” and will equal a taxpayer funded takeover of your nation paid for in blood. Is that really what you want?
Enforce the laws...its never been done EXCEPT by the courageous move by states like AL,AZ,GA,SC......ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE ENFORCEMENT A CHANCE.......


27 posted on 11/26/2011 1:25:14 PM PST by magna carta
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To: presidio9

Newt voted for it before he voted against it. Newt is sounding a lot like John Kerry these days.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 1:26:22 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: SoConPubbie; Excuse_My_Bellicosity; GeronL; crz; South40; TomasUSMC; Gator113

Look: I get that you people are not satisfied with Gingrich. Some of you clearly hate the man. That is your right. But spamming threads with nothing but attacks and no solutions is not productive. This party his less than six weeks to come up with a viable alternative to Mitt Romney, or the music stops and that’s who we’re left with. The responsible thing to to would be to offer an alternative candidate and his or her serious alternative.


29 posted on 11/26/2011 1:26:28 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9; GeronL
Actually, this is philosphy is at the core of the Gingrich solution. Nobody who can't pay their own way, including health insurance, gets to stay.

Yes, but in Newt's plan, he FIRST wants to legalize the illegals, and then implement the cutting off of benefits.

The net result being you have now made it legal for them to keep getting those benefits.

You have just legalized the subsidization of illegals using tax-payer money(Taxes).

Get back to me when Gingrich puts things in their proper order:

1. Enforce current Illegal Immigration laws
2. Complete implementation and enforcement of E-Verify for all employment and all acquisition of Social Services.
3. Build the COMPLETE border fence.
30 posted on 11/26/2011 1:27:07 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: presidio9; Excuse_My_Bellicosity; GeronL; crz; South40; TomasUSMC; Gator113
Look: I get that you people are not satisfied with Gingrich. Some of you clearly hate the man.

The last refuge of someone losing an argument, the Hate card.

If you are going to accuse us of "Hating" Newt, at least do us the courtesy of proving your point by posting the occasions where we have shown we hate him.
31 posted on 11/26/2011 1:28:57 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Logical me

Nobody thinks that the govt. could or should go out and deport 20 million illegals. Your cheesehead argument is used by the pro-amnesty crowd everyday.

The answer is: enforce the laws, all of them, and the illegals will self-deport. It’s been VERY successful where implemented.


32 posted on 11/26/2011 1:29:17 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Perry was pounded for this.

Yes, and Perry has never been for amnesty, or open borders.

33 posted on 11/26/2011 1:30:16 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: presidio9
My remark was no more spam than are the repeated efforts of the pro-amnesty crowd to push Newt Gingrich and his amnesty scheme.

And I don't hate Newt. When you say something like that you sound like a liberal who says we hate Obama because we don't like his politics. We can oppose the man w/o hating him.

Free Republic is about promoting and defending conservatism, not the liberal position of amnesty. If you continue posting pro-amnesty pieces conservatives will continue rebuking them. Get used to it.

34 posted on 11/26/2011 1:32:42 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: SoConPubbie
The last refuge of someone losing an argument, the Hate card.

If you are going to accuse us of "Hating" Newt, at least do us the courtesy of proving your point by posting the occasions where we have shown we hate him.

Oh for Pete's sake! If you don't like the word "hate," disregard it. The clear suggestion was that a more valuable use of everyone's time would be for you to be posting alternatives instead of single minded attacks. However, if you prefer only the attacks, then, yeah, "hate" sounds about right from where I'm sitting.

35 posted on 11/26/2011 1:33:29 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: SoConPubbie
The last refuge of someone losing an argument, the Hate card.

Liberal tactic #3.

I don't hate Newt. I think he would make a great VP.

36 posted on 11/26/2011 1:34:08 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: presidio9; SoConPubbie; Excuse_My_Bellicosity; GeronL; crz; South40; TomasUSMC; Gator113
That is your right. But spamming threads with nothing but attacks and no solutions is not productive.

Now you are either suffering with a bad case of no reading compreshension, or not reading the posts you are referring to, or just plain lying, but on ALL of the threads there is always at least one reference to solutions that will actually work without conservatives compromising on their principles. On this thread alone I have posted multiple times the solution to this problem:

1. Enforce existing laws
2. Implement E-Verify for all positions of employment and for all acquisition of Social Services
3. Build the COMPLETE PHYSICAL border wall

This works, Newt's plan does not and is just another version of capitulation to Illegal Immigration.
37 posted on 11/26/2011 1:35:14 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: South40
My remark was no more spam than are the repeated efforts of the pro-amnesty crowd to push Newt Gingrich and his amnesty scheme.

Again, name your alternative, and why you like their own plan so much.

38 posted on 11/26/2011 1:35:19 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Here is an alternative I agree with 100%.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2812556/posts?page=24#24

39 posted on 11/26/2011 1:35:31 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: mylife
Yes, and Perry has never been for amnesty, or open borders.

Rick Perry's open border speech:

"Thank you Senator Lucio. President Nevarez, UT-Pan American is to be commended for its vision and leadership in hosting this unprecedented border summit in the beautiful Texas town of Edinburg.

... The NAFTA agreement not only signaled a new era of economic possibility, but a new era of bi-national cooperation. That is why it is wrong, and inherently detrimental to our relationship with Mexico for the U.S. Congress to pursue a protectionist policy that forbids Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways.

... Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region.

... And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders, the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.

... President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. "

40 posted on 11/26/2011 1:35:35 PM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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To: SoConPubbie

They won’t do what they say.

That is what I am saying.

I could care less what he says now, his past shows us he cannot be trusted.


41 posted on 11/26/2011 1:36:41 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presidio9

I like my plan because it benefits the American taxpayer and American family. And because it does not involve rewarding the ILLEGAL invaders that Newt wants to make legal.


42 posted on 11/26/2011 1:37:12 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: South40

Sorry to disappoint you, but Jim Robinson is not running for president. I agree with everything he is saying, but attacking Mitt Romney’s opponents without offering an alternative guarantees that we end up with Mitt Romney.

“If it comes down to Gingrich Vs. Romney, then no question... Go Newt!!!” -Jim Robinson

Not a solution.


43 posted on 11/26/2011 1:38:52 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: GeronL
They won’t do what they say.

That is what I am saying.


Yes, you are correct, furthermore, the reality is that Newt's plan is so complex that is is ripe for the courts to turn it on it's head and make his new class of Legal residency full on Citizens.
44 posted on 11/26/2011 1:39:49 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: South40
I like my plan because it benefits the American taxpayer and American family. And because it does not involve rewarding the ILLEGAL invaders that Newt wants to make legal.

Your plan, my plan, and Jim's plans are irrelvant if no candidate is planning on implementing them. You are wasting all of our time.

I like my plan where I'm married to Jennifer Connelly.

45 posted on 11/26/2011 1:40:24 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

With the low cost of travel today, phone calls, webcams, etc., geographic separation doesn’t mean nearly what it used to. If you came illegally and have grandchildren now, your children are all grown up. You can visit them once or twice a year just like people who live on the other side of the country do, talk with them on the phone every night, see new pictures every week.


46 posted on 11/26/2011 1:40:41 PM PST by heartwood
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To: SoConPubbie
Yes, but in Newt's plan, he FIRST wants to legalize the illegals, and then implement the cutting off of benefits. The net result being you have now made it legal for them to keep getting those benefits.

Where in the world did you get that idea?

47 posted on 11/26/2011 1:40:52 PM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Niteflyr

Yes, Yes, That speech is “contingent” on Mexico being like Canada.

You know he is not for open borders.


48 posted on 11/26/2011 1:42:19 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: presidio9

OK, I’ll name my candidate as Rick Perry. And I won’t attack Newt on this issue, he and Rick both have workable solutions on the immigration issue. Here in Texas, immigrant workers, both legal and not so legal, have been invited here to work for at least the last 45 years that I can recall. Most, if not all of them caused no trouble, nor did they start to “milk” the system until the last decade or so. No candidate is going to “round ‘em all up” and deport them.


49 posted on 11/26/2011 1:42:19 PM PST by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: Niteflyr
Rick Perry 'On The Record' saying he would support amnesty (path to citizenship) for ILLEGAL aliens.

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But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished, you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are here illegally.

Rick Perry: Sure.

50 posted on 11/26/2011 1:42:21 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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