Skip to comments.How To Tell Who Is A "Moderate" Islamist? An Exam (Dr. Rubin Will Grade You Today!
Posted on 11/26/2011 2:18:41 PM PST by goldstategop
The Muslim Brotherhood held a rally at Cairos most important mosque. Demonstrators chanted, One day we shall kill all Jews.
Question 1: How can you tell they are moderate Islamists?
Answer: They said one day, in other words, they arent going to do it this week.
Question 2: At the rally someone said:
In order to build Egypt, we must be one. Politics is insufficient. Faith in Allah is the basis for everything. The al-Aqsa Mosque is currently under an offensive by the Jews. Who was it?
Answer: Ahmed al-Tayeb, the moderate president of al-Azhar University and arguably the most important Muslim cleric in Egypt. Note: al-Aqsa Mosque is not under attack by Jews.
Question 3: Why did al-Tayeb talk this way in the context of calling for a Jihad against Israel?
Answer: Maybe he isnt so moderate. But more importantly it is part of the general radicalization of Islam that is going to happen in Egypt now that the Brotherhood will be running the place and thus also his desire to survive rather than be branded a lackey of the Zionist-imperialist crusade to destroy Islam and have his head cut off. (See Question 1.)
Question 4: Can someone be a moderate Muslim or moderate Islamist and call for a Jihad to wipe Israel off the map?
Answer: Apparently yes. Muslim Brotherhood spokesmen made such calls at the rally yet the Obama Administration holds that the Brotherhood is moderate and the U.S. government supports its taking power in Egypt.
Question 5: How did the Muslim Brotherhood get the Jewish calendar wrong?
Answer: Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv, judgment day has come. In fact, Yom Kippur was last October 8
Question 6: An elementary school teacher Ala al-Din said, All Egyptian Muslims are willing to embark on Jihad for the sake of Palestine. What does he teach little children in school?
Answer: that all Egyptian Muslims should embark on Jihad to destroy Israel.
Question 7: Why dont American officials, journalists, and experts understand Islamists?
Answer: Ala al-Din explained it: Why is the US losing in Afghanistan? Because the other side is willing and wants to die. We have a different mentality than that of the Americans and Jews. In other words because they dont understand that people in the Arabic-speaking world have a different mentality.
Question 8: Is this mentality somehow biological or innate in Islam?
Answer: No, it is the result of historical processes, political culture, indoctrination in school and mosque and media, dominant ideology, and from the demagoguery of leaders.
Question 9: Why dont Western reporters see whats going on and report it fully?
Answer: They werent wearing their glasses so they didnt see the signs; they werent wearing their hearing aids so they didnt hear the chants.
Question 10: But these journalists, along with the officials and experts are idols of the Western elite, so is there any precedent for this?
Answer: Yes indeed! See here on line 16.
Question 11: Who said that the Muslim Brotherhood is a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and what is he doing now?
Answer: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and hes still director of national intelligence.
Question 12: Who said Parties committed to democracy must reject violence .And in a region with deep divisions within and between religions, they cannot be the spark that starts a conflagration and does that person react to what the Muslim Brotherhood actually says?
Answer: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and no.
Question 13: What possible rationale could she have for not dealing with the Muslim Brotherhoods bloodthirsty totalitarian orientation and intolerance?
Answer: See Question 1. Extra credit question: Why will many Americansincluding Jewsvote to reelect President Barack Obama despite the fact that his administration is whitewashing, supporting, and may soon be funding the worlds most powerful and genocidal-oriented antisemitic, anti-Christian, and anti-American group?
Answer: I dont know. I only write about the Middle East.
Answer: I dont know. I only write about the Middle East."
Dr. Barry Rubin is right. Don't ask me to explain why so many Americans are stuck on stupid about Islamic Nazism. Its a rising phoenix in the Middle East.
There was an earlier post that opened my eyes watch the 1st utube vid and I will guarentee you will watch the remaining 3. Everything you wanted to know about islam that they are not telling you. riveting
“moderate”, huh? Like “moderate” Nazis?
Liberals defend Islam today the way they defended Communism. Its the totalitarianism that succinctly defines it - what Karl Popper called the “enemies of the open society.” There is no such thing as a “moderate” Islamist. They are not democrats. People will find that out for themselves when its too late.
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It is an attempt to manipulate Americans into ignoring the threat of jihad and to bully them into thinking that being concerned about the jihad threat would somehow victimize these nice people in this show.
The problem people have with Islam is its teachings of violence against and the subjugation of unbelievers. It is with the supremacist ideology and the fervent believers in those noxious doctrines of warfare and subjugation. Yhe ultimate danger posed by a program presenting the normal side of life for American Muslims is that it isnt accurate.
The danger is in the deception and obfuscation of the truth which results in the intellectual disarming of the American people.
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Well done. Great essay.
“Extra credit question: Why will many Americansincluding Jewsvote to reelect President Barack Obama despite the fact that his administration is whitewashing, supporting, and may soon be funding the worlds most powerful and genocidal-oriented antisemitic, anti-Christian, and anti-American group?
American blacks support him because he is black.
Homosexuals support him because he supports them.
American Liberals support him because he is Liberal
American Democrats support him because they have hstorically supported any Democrat no matter what they did, said or have done.
his administration is whitewashing, supporting, and may soon be funding the worlds most powerful and genocidal-oriented antisemitic, anti-Christian, and anti-American group?
His administration is doing what their Muslim leader-—Obama
tells them to do.
Moderate Muslims (Peace loving) and pro choice Catholics have much in common. They both have rejected the traditional position of
their Church or religious Fathers, they have rejected the writings of their faith and they will not follow their own leadership who are holding the majority position.
Read the Q’uran I beg you, my friends here on this Forum our National leaders with tears in my eyes I implore you read their book. Those who are true disciples of Islam are not peace loving or moderate. indeed they can not be!
And to think that there are those in this country that want to abolish the right to bear arms.
Moderate muslims and jihadist muslims (terrorists) read and are taugtht from the same islamic teachings.
muslims around the world danced and cheered in the streets over 9-11, but we are to believe that American muslims are different because they live here and are moderate. B.S! There are no moderate muslims.
Unlike most of you, I actually know a great many American Muslims. I’ve known them all my life. Some were war veterans. Most of those I’ve known have been good decent citizens. I consider them friends and I’ll continue to support them against prejudice and bigotry.
I have the misfortune to have a Syrian expat as an office mate. One that considers himself a “moderate muslim.”
He is anything but.
There are no moderate islamists.
One of my doctors is a Muslim. He is no threat to me.
My officemate is a “moderate Muslim.” He is a very real threat.
If he’s a threat, the how can he be “moderate?”
Easy. A "moderate" Islamist will only kill "some" of the Jews, not "all" (yet). When Israel finally does to Iran what we should've (re: Iran's nuke program) Obama will stand with his mooselem brothers.
He labels himself so.
‘moderate’ muslims that take great pains to label themselves as such, aren’t.
Ask them to explain these quotes and the video linked here.
Alija Itzbegovic, once Président of Bosnia, said to be “very moderate,” stated in his 1970 Islamic Declaration:
“There can be neither peace nor coexistence between the Islamic faith and non-Islamic social and political institutions. The Islamic movement must and can take over political power as soon as it is morally and numerically so strong that it can not only destroy the existing non-Islamic power, but also to build up a new Islamic one”
-Dr Wafa Sultan agrees:
“There is no moderate Islam Islam is different from any other religion . Islam is not a religion, Islam is a political ideology ”It seems to me sometimes it is much easier to make my point known rather in the Arab world then to penetrate the American mind. I can understand why. You are living by the American ethical code. You don’t want to judge anybody based on their religious affiliation. But you need to understand that ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION, ISLAM IS A VERY DANGEROUS POLITICAL IDEOLOGY.
Above from 3 and a half minutes video at:
“Question 1: How can you tell they are moderate Islamists?
That’s a trick question- there are no such creatures as moderate Islamists.
I’m still wondering how some Americans can still support our policies towards Kosovo and the Islamists who stole it from Serbia?
I’ve talked to some of my Muslim friends about such words. They call it nonsense, rhetoric, not representative of their own beliefs. Of course, like many Christians, they would like to see others join their faith. But never by force.
They're all extremists.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Really, you spoke to them of the quote from the former PRESIDENT OF BOSNIA?
Do they think these words from the koran are "nonsense and rhetoric"?
Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.""Of course, like many Christians, they would like to see others join their faith. But never by force."
Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.
If I were you i'd be careful around your "friends":
"Even a modern-day fatwa (on Islam Q&A) that warns Muslims against taking unbelievers as "sincere friends" permits infidels to be dealt with "in a kind manner in the hope that they might become Muslim."
Did you see the phrase “such words”? Sorry. You’re branding an entire group of people based on one fundamentalist element. Bad logic.
Islam is not a religion. It is a DEATH CULT.
Question 11: Who said that the Muslim Brotherhood is a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and what is he doing now?
Answer: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and hes still director of national intelligence
That tells us all we need to know about the idiots in charge over in DC.
And if I had my way, a DEATH SENTENCE!
Would you be OK executing American Muslims? I mean, is that what you’re implying?
Define “death sentence.”
When one switches the topic from moderate islamist, which there are none, to muslim. I never said death to muslims.
This is America, built on tolerance of religion...built by our Founding Fathers on the difference of religion, as long as that religion believed in the Almighty God...a God of tolerance...yet a God who has time and time again put asunder entire civilizations of those who sought to do harm to other civilizations.
You changed my response about the filthy islamist who believe that all those who don't believe in their version of god must die at their hands, as do the islamists.
An islamist should be considered no different than a communist....oh, wait...we allow commies in this country since the purple lipped SOB took office. I forgot how weak we have become and how quickly we have stopped challenging other God fearing Americans to stand beside us in wanting those who wish to strike down my dear, sweet 14 year old boy in cold blood simply because he does not pray to their version of Allah.
Define "Death Sentence"? I single shot from an M-16 at 500 yards (sorry, I am an 80's Marine) in my day right in the effin' forehead would give me several great wet dreams!!! Yep, that would do.
Play games with your Grandma, who pays no attention when you manipulate the topic...not me. And I warn you...you are already low on ammo.
So called “moderate” muslims bow to Mecca 5 times a day every day and never bother to speak out against the segregation there, the death sentence for any non-muslim who’d dare enter, the State’s prohibition on non-Islamic religious texts and the State burning said privately owned religious texts when they are seized.
Only those who know Him shall prevail. I'm good...not concerned. Just ready to continue the battle.
Our foreign policy establishment believes that any Islamist not killing Americans is moderate. Hence Bin Laden would have been a moderate in 1996 and the Pentagon hosted Anwar Al-Awlaki in 2002. Our political class has no desire to understand the enemy. Any group that wants to restore the Caliphate and believes that Islam will rule the world is not a moderate. Any group that believes, as the Muslim Brotherhood does, in a motto like “Allah is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations.” isn’t moderate. They are Islamists and they hate us. They are simply Mensheviks to the Bolsheviks of Al Qaeda.
Those that do not support the Jihad understand Islam as much as most of those that celebrate Christmas understand Christianity. In other words most people that claim to be a specific religion do not understand it.
“Did you see the phrase such words? Sorry. Youre branding an entire group of people based on one fundamentalist element. Bad logic.”
WADR, I think you have it bass-ackwards. “such words” are (a) in the Koran and (b) are the coin and currency of most of the islamic clerics and the islamic leaders around the world.
IOW, YOU are branding an entire group of people based on the NON fundamentalist element you have been befriended by.
If your your friends do not subscribe to the standard koranic view that Islam is to take over the world by the sword, and that all non-muslims must serve, convert or die, then they are the non-observant muslims.
I’m not going g to defend the Koran, any more than I’d defend every word in the Bible. I’m saying that not all Muslims, especially, perhaps, American Muslims, follow a strict interpretation of the Koran and thus do not deserve hostility. Then you suggest that these friends of mine somehow aren’t authentic Muslims. Do you see the trap this puts you in when faced with vast numbers of people who look like Muslims, behave like Muslims, and consider themselves Muslims - but love this country and the freedom it offers? If you claim they are not “true Muslims,” then you must consider them worthy of your respect! To do otherwise would simply render you a bigot!
Your first claim requires far more evidence. I doubt it would hold up to scrutiny, at least in America. Your second point is about doctrine, not about the character of individuals.
I simply asked you a question. You twisted your own words. You said, I believe, “if I had my way...” That had nothing to do with whatever may or may not happen to moderate Muslims. You’re entitled to your own prejudice, but not your own facts.
Here’s a simple thought experiment. Let’s say I introduced you to 10 Muslims who believed in religious freedom and loved the United States. What would you conclude?
A) you change your mind about all Muslims
B) you conclude they are all lying (in which case you are immune to evidence)
C) you conclude they are not “true Muslims” (in which case you must consider granting them you respect)
Which would it be?
No thanks. Even if I was talking about muslims, which I was not (subject matter was islamists), I'll stick to picking my own friends.
You kinda missed the whole point. I was trying logic. I guess you’re immune.
No...you failed to stay “on point”... or vis a vie, on topic. .
"Your first claim requires far more evidence."
"In western countries it runs around 10 to 40% support the Jihad."
Pew research polling backs my statement with this poll:
There are other polls showing similar numbers as Germany Muslim statistics about 10 to 15% support of the Jihad in the US. It is a much higher figure that actually support the Jihad through Zakat knowingly or unknowingly.
Yes you are exactly right the issue here is about doctrine not the character of the individual.
In other words once a person believes all other religions must submit, be enslaved or die then it becomes 'good character' to carry out what is needed to be done
“Im not going g to defend the Koran, any more than Id defend every word in the Bible.”
Are you comparing the koran with the Bible? HAVE YOU READ EITHER?
“Im saying that not all Muslims, especially, perhaps, American Muslims, follow a strict interpretation of the Koran and thus do not deserve hostility.”
Fine, then let them stand up en masse and demonstrate their antipathy towards those who do “follow a strict interpretation of the Koran and thus DO deserve hostility.”
The fact that we have virtually NEVER SEEN THIS HAPPEN IN AMERICA tells us that there are very few muslims who feel as you say they do, or they are EMBARRASSED by what they know is their weak adherence to their own religion and culture.
Compare this to the JINOS AND CINOS in America who PROUDLY screech how they don’t stand with the traditional teachings of Judaism or Christianity.
“Then you suggest that these friends of mine somehow arent authentic Muslims. Do you see the trap this puts you in when faced with vast numbers of people who look like Muslims,”
I am not in any trap, sir. You are.
First of all, aside from women wearing a hijab or burka or mean wearing dishdasha and/or headgear we have NO WAY to know who “looks” like a muslim.
...” behave like Muslims, and consider themselves Muslims - but love this country and the freedom it offers?”
If they consider themselves muslims AND love this country then they have AN OBLIGATION to expose / destroy the anti-America and anti-Christian and anti-Jewish jihadis in their and our midst, otherwise they are muslims first and only using America’s freedoms to destroy us.
” If you claim they are not true Muslims, then you must consider them worthy of your respect! To do otherwise would simply render you a bigot!”
Yes, thats right, I support muslims who will help the West exterminate jihadic islam, and I condemn those and their useful infidel friends who help jihadis infiltrate and destroy America.
With all your “exposure” to your muslim friends, I doubt you have read anything of the history of islam and how it has been trying to take over non-muslim lands WORLD WIDE for over 1300 years.
Your ignorance is the true bigotry: AGAINST THE NON-MUSLIM WORLD.
70% of U.S. muslims support Øbowmao:
70% of Muslims support Obama? And this makes them an enemy? I guess you must feel even more strongly against blacks, since 90% of them support Obama!
Also, not one single American Muslim is obligated to prove his or her patriotism to you. Yet even if I gave you a list of 50 Muslims who opposed violent jihad, you would reject it and go on believing exactly the same way you do now.
I’m thankful that you are part of a fringe minority.
Even if we assume that such polls are valid (a questionable assumption), it appears that majorities and pluralities say that violence is never justified. Moreover, you have no data at all from the United States, where I suspect violence would be rejected by even larger numbers.
There were plenty of Irish Catholics (and their American supporters) who believed it was right to kill and die for their religious and political cause. And yet, we don’t apply the broad brush to that religious group.