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How to Tell Who is a “Moderate Islamist:” An Exam
Rubin Reports ^ | Barry Rubin

Posted on 11/26/2011 7:23:16 PM PST by ventanax5

The Muslim Brotherhood held a rally at Cairo’s most important mosque. Demonstrators chanted, “One day we shall kill all Jews."

Question 1: How can you tell they are “moderate Islamists?”

Answer: They said “one day,” in other words, they aren’t going to do it this week.

Question 2: At the rally someone said:

"In order to build Egypt, we must be one. Politics is insufficient. Faith in Allah is the basis for everything. The al-Aqsa Mosque is currently under an offensive by the Jews." Who was it?

Answer: Ahmed al-Tayeb, the “moderate” president of al-Azhar University and arguably the most important Muslim cleric in Egypt. Note: al-Aqsa Mosque is not under attack by Jews.

Question 3: Why did al-Tayeb talk this way in the context of calling for a Jihad against Israel?

Answer: Maybe he isn't so moderate. But more importantly it is part of the general radicalization of Islam that is going to happen in Egypt now that the Brotherhood will be running the place and thus his desire to survive rather than be branded a lackey of the Zionist-imperialist crusade to destroy Islam and have his head cut off. (See Question 1.)

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; egypt; islam; islamists; israel; jews; jihad; mb; moderatemohammedan; moderatemoslem; mohammedan; mohammedanism; mohammedans; moslem; moslems; obama
The Muslim Brotherhood held a rally at Cairo’s most important mosque. Demonstrators chanted, “One day we shall kill all Jews.”

Question 1: How can you tell they are “moderate Islamists?”

Answer: They said “one day,” in other words, they aren’t going to do it this week.

Question 2: At the rally someone said:

“In order to build Egypt, we must be one. Politics is insufficient. Faith in Allah is the basis for everything. The al-Aqsa Mosque is currently under an offensive by the Jews.” Who was it?

Answer: Ahmed al-Tayeb, the “moderate” president of al-Azhar University and arguably the most important Muslim cleric in Egypt. Note: al-Aqsa Mosque is not under attack by Jews.

Question 3: Why did al-Tayeb talk this way in the context of calling for a Jihad against Israel?

Answer: Maybe he isn’t so moderate. But more importantly it is part of the general radicalization of Islam that is going to happen in Egypt now that the Brotherhood will be running the place and thus also his desire to survive rather than be branded a lackey of the Zionist-imperialist crusade to destroy Islam and have his head cut off. (See Question 1.)

Question 4: Can someone be a “moderate Muslim” or “moderate Islamist” and call for a Jihad to wipe Israel off the map?

Answer: Apparently yes. Muslim Brotherhood spokesmen made such calls at the rally yet the Obama Administration holds that the Brotherhood is moderate and the U.S. government supports its taking power in Egypt.

Question 5: How did the Muslim Brotherhood get the Jewish calendar wrong?

Answer: “Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv, judgment day has come.” In fact, Yom Kippur was last October 8

Question 6: An elementary school teacher Ala al-Din said, “All Egyptian Muslims are willing to embark on Jihad for the sake of Palestine.” What does he teach little children in school?

Answer: that all Egyptian Muslims should embark on Jihad to destroy Israel.

Question 7: Why don’t American officials, journalists, and “experts” understand Islamists?

Answer: Ala al-Din explained it: “Why is the US losing in Afghanistan? Because the other side is willing and wants to die. We have a different mentality than that of the Americans and Jews.” In other words because they don’t understand that people in the Arabic-speaking world have “a different mentality.”

Question 8: Is this mentality somehow biological or innate in Islam?

Answer: No, it is the result of historical processes, political culture, indoctrination in school and mosque and media, dominant ideology, and from the demagoguery of leaders.

Question 9: Why don’t Western reporters see what’s going on and report it fully?

Answer: They weren’t’ wearing their glasses so they didn’t see the signs; they weren’t’ wearing their hearing aids so they didn’t hear the chants.

Question 10: But these journalists, along with the officials and “experts” are idols of the Western elite, so is there any precedent for this?

Answer: Yes indeed! See here on line 16.

Question 11: Who said that the Muslim Brotherhood is “a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence” and what is he doing now?

Answer: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and he’s still director of national intelligence.

Question 12: Who said “Parties committed to democracy must reject violence….And in a region with deep divisions within and between religions, they cannot be the spark that starts a conflagration” and does that person react to what the Muslim Brotherhood actually says?

Answer: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and no.

Question 13: What possible rationale could she have for not dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood’s bloodthirsty totalitarian orientation and intolerance?

Answer: See Question 1.

Extra credit question: Why will many Americans—including Jews–vote to reelect President Barack Obama despite the fact that his administration is whitewashing, supporting, and may soon be funding the world’s most powerful and genocidal-oriented antisemitic, anti-Christian, and anti-American group? Answer: I don’t know. I only write about the Middle East.

1 posted on 11/26/2011 7:23:16 PM PST by ventanax5
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To: ventanax5

“moderate Islamists?”

It’s the reporters & msm that made up that label


2 posted on 11/26/2011 7:26:47 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

A moderate is just one who has run low on bullets


3 posted on 11/26/2011 7:30:38 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Pimp your blog for hits on Free Republic!)
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To: ventanax5

“Moderate Muslim,” my big fat butt!!!
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2011/03/the-myth-of-the-moderate-muslim/


4 posted on 11/26/2011 7:33:34 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: nuconvert

Isn’t the Arab Spring wonderful? We must combat Muslim stereotypes. This was the job of Muzzammil Hassan and his television station until unfortunately he was arrested for beheading his wife. He did it, however, with extreme moderation.


5 posted on 11/26/2011 7:48:11 PM PST by Vehmgericht
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To: Vehmgericht
Well, he only beheaded one wife. It's something.
6 posted on 11/26/2011 7:51:21 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Or maybe one who is at room temperature?


7 posted on 11/26/2011 7:54:56 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm sticking with Herman. No more second terms!)
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To: WXRGina

Actually, moderate Muslims are not a myth, but they are to be found in great numbers only among the Shi’ites. The most obvious examples are the Ismailis who regard jihad as primarily internal struggle, and the Aga Khan as the only imam with the authority to call for jihad in the sense of warfare (the Oxbridge educated, very cosmopolitan and fabulously wealthy Aga Khans, and the Ismaili imams before them since the Mongols destroyed Ismaili temporal power show no inclination do to any such thing).

The Druze, likewise are an example, due to their odd doctrine that requires them to support whatever religion is dominant in the surrounding culture — thus Israeli Druze are permitted to fight in the IDF and do so bravely and loyally, while Lebanese Druze used to support the Christian government until the Palestinian refugee influx tilted the demographic balance to (Twelver) Shi’ites so that they now support Hezbollah.

The orthodox Twelver Shi’ites in Iraq who followed Al Sistani and oppose the Iranian Ta’ajilis (Hasteners) are another example: except for a three month period when Al Sistani tilted toward Iran for internal Iraqi political reasons, he was objectively supportive of U.S. goals in Iraq from the invasion until his death. It was Al Sistani who persuaded the Iraqi Shi’ites to accept the super-majority provisions in the Iraqi constitution and constitutional ratification process on the basis that it wasn’t an American ‘trick’ but something beneficial we had done for ourselves in our constitution and constitutional ratification process.

I am, however, dubious about the existence of any reliably moderate Sunnis. When there was a caliph, the Sunnis were as radical or moderate as the regnant caliph and thus could change from one to the other at the whim or one man or upon a succession to the caliphate. Now, they basically regard every Muslim as his own mullah, so “sudden jihadi syndrome” is always possible with any of them, as, unlike Shi’ite sects they have no recognized superior religious authority to either restrain or prod them.


8 posted on 11/26/2011 8:35:00 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

The moderates were the ones who were killed by the other ones. Thanks ventanax5.


9 posted on 11/26/2011 8:41:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ventanax5
Question 1) Do you practice Islam?

Thank you for completing this test. You may now put your pencil down.

10 posted on 11/26/2011 10:08:35 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: ventanax5

A “moderate” Muslim is one who DOESN’T sh!t down your neck-hole after he beheads you.


11 posted on 11/26/2011 10:10:14 PM PST by CondiArmy
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To: The_Reader_David

A true moderate Muslim is considered to be an apostate.


12 posted on 11/26/2011 10:12:04 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: dfwgator
dfwgator wrote:

A true moderate Muslim is considered to be an apostate.

Correct. 

I think we can all agree that Mohammad the madman of the Koran was no "moderate".  Mohammad was THE orginal muslim terrorist.  Period.  A murderous pedophile and warmongering harbinger of subjugation and doom.  And since Mohammad was the inventor of Islam, then it's safe to conclude that Islam is no religion of "moderation" by any regard.

Don't judge a religion by the behavior of it's followers, as so called followers may not be adhering to the genuine instruction of their professed doctrine.  But rather judge a religion by the actual word of that doctrine.  According to that measure, I find the mandate of Islam's doctrine to be a felonious, wicked abomination.

 

13 posted on 11/27/2011 1:22:30 AM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: ventanax5

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Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist. The belief in Islam is like a tank of gasoline. It looks innocuous, until it meets the fire. For a “moderate” Muslim to become a murderous jihadist, all it takes is a spark of faith.

It is time to put an end to the charade of “moderate Islam.” There is no such thing as moderate Muslim. Muslims are either jihadists or dormant jihadists – moderate, they are not.

Ali Sina
http://sheikyermami.com/2010/03/16/ali-sina-the-myth-of-moderate-islam/

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14 posted on 11/27/2011 4:24:05 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
A moderate is just one who has run low on bullets

As per instruction in the koran, hadiths and sunniths ... moderation is simply the period of time it takes to rearm.

Extra points:
1) Q: How many radical muslims exist?
A: Conservative estimates run around 10% of the total 1.2 billion ... or 120,000,000 ... others say the number is 20% ....

2) Q: What of the others who are not radicals?
A: They support the 10% by deception in words and deeds, or remain silent.

3) Q: Will a self-professsed moderate muslim condemn radicals?
A: Never. Or only in the most vague and generalized terms to include references to Christianity and the Crusades.

4) Q: How does one tell where a moderate muslims sympathies lie?
A: Ask which comes first: being an American or being a muslim.

5) Q: How do you tell what a non-muslim thinks of radical muslim actions?
A: See answer to 3 above.

6) Q: How do you know the non-muslim above is a true useful idiot?
A: When they tell you that Islam and muslims are not the same thing...

15 posted on 11/27/2011 5:05:54 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: nuconvert

Moderate as in Mohammedans is not an absolute condition but a state, like sleeping dogs, unloaded rifles, disarmed bombs. A moderate Mohammedan is one who will not attack right now for any number of reasons. The reasons include being out of ammunition, waiting for a better time to take out more infidels, cowardice. Keep in mind most Mohammedans would kill you as soon as look at you. Unless you happen to be a tasty piece of cat meat, in which case he would want to get to know you better, first.


16 posted on 11/27/2011 5:26:31 AM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: magslinger

The title isn’t ‘moderate muslim’ it’s “moderate islamist”.
There is a difference. Muslims may or may not be islamist, but once you are, there really is no such thing as a moderate islamist.


17 posted on 11/27/2011 6:14:32 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: The_Reader_David

There is one Koran, and it tells Muslims to kill non-Muslims, period. I really don’t give a rip about the “nuances” of the various purported sects of the Ishmaelites—they’re all dead wrong, and many of them want to kill us.

The fact is that they have invaded our country and wormed their way into the highest levels of our government, and they mean to subjugate America under their detestable Islamist ideology. There is nothing “moderate” about the ones who are here on a mission (CAIR, anyone?), and I’ll be damned if I will stand by silently while they continue their hellish crusade against us.


18 posted on 11/27/2011 8:04:08 AM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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19 posted on 11/27/2011 4:20:36 PM PST by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: ventanax5

Question: How can you tell they are “moderate Islamists?”

Answer: When they are dead or converted to any other religon.


20 posted on 11/27/2011 4:48:37 PM PST by ZULU (Anybody but Romney or Huntsman)
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To: nuconvert
The title isn’t ‘moderate muslim’ it’s “moderate islamist”. There is a difference.

Yes there is a difference, like loaded or unloaded, armed or disarmed. A difference in state.

21 posted on 11/27/2011 5:17:16 PM PST by magslinger (Who cares if they are"electable" if they are going to govern like Democrats? -noprogs)
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To: SJackson

A moderate Islamist?

Oh . . . hmmmm . . .

1. Their beheading sword is dull?
2. They provide a pillow for the head to fall on?

3. They toss a flower on the bleeding stump of a neck?
4. They only spit on the lopped-off head once instead of a dozen times?

5. They only show the video on Al-Jazeera 3 times instead of 300 times?
6. They send the body parts back in 1 or 2 boxes instead of 2 dozen little boxes?

7. They only lash their daughter 2 dozen times—within a hair’s breadth of death—for getting raped; instead of stoning her to death instantly with riotous glee?
8. It takes them 3 cartoonists to get them to foam at the mouth instead of 1?

9. censored
10. censored


22 posted on 11/27/2011 5:42:35 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: magslinger

Right. I figured you had no idea.


23 posted on 11/27/2011 6:16:36 PM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Quix

A moderate Islamist only worships the religion of Satan less.


24 posted on 11/27/2011 6:24:00 PM PST by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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To: bmwcyle

INDEED.


25 posted on 11/27/2011 6:27:48 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: dfwgator

Actually strict Sunnis, including, but not limited to Salafists and Wahabbis, consider all the varieties of Shi’ites I pointed to as examples of moderate Muslims to be apostates.


26 posted on 11/27/2011 8:41:56 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: WXRGina; The_Reader_David
From what some Muslims have told me there is a peaceful Koran and a more violent Koran, they say that is sort of like our Old and New Testament. They have told me that like we follow the New Testament they follow the peaceful Koran (they see the Old Testament as more violent). I upon occasion, as they come up in my life, witness to Muslims the faith of Jesus Christ.

From what I can tell Mohammad wasn't violent until he started to acquire more followers and power over people. From what I can tell he became more and more demon possessed as time went on. He wrote parts of the Koran before which some more peaceful Muslims choose to follow and violent parts later which the violent Muslims follow.

I have witnessed to young Muslims who sincerely go on about how we are to love everyone, and not hate anyone. I told one how Israelite blood has been mixed in with many people of the Mid East because of them being dispersed. I told him that for all he knew he could be part Israeli. Amazingly, he did not have a problem with this idea at all and even seemed to like it and again he said he believed in loving everyone. His reactions and proclamations utterly amazed me for someone professing to be a Muslim. He was from Jordan.

Has anyone else talked/witnessed to Muslims who talk of love and peace?

27 posted on 11/27/2011 8:56:23 PM PST by Bellflower (Judas Iscariot, first democrat, robber, held the money bag, claimed to care for poor: John 12:4-6)
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