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Congress to Vote Next Week on EXPLICITLY Creating a Police State
ZeroHedge ^ | 11/27/2011 | Submitted by George Washington

Posted on 11/27/2011 7:22:36 AM PST by DManA

IF YOU THOUGHT POLICE BRUTALITY WAS BAD … WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE WHAT CONGRESS WANTS TO DO NEXT WEEK

The police brutality against peaceful protesters in Berkeley, Davis, Oakland and elsewhere is bad enough.

But next week, Congress will vote on explicitly creating a police state.

The ACLU’s Washington legislative office explains:

The Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

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The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.

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The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself. The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aclu; blackhelicopter; conspiracy; lindseygraham; paranoia; policestate; possecomitatus
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Our good good friend Lindsey Graham is in this up to his ugly little nose.
1 posted on 11/27/2011 7:22:37 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Nacht und Nebel


2 posted on 11/27/2011 7:27:16 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Roll the stone away, Let the guilty pay, It's Independence Day)
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To: DManA
Two problems I see; 1) The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits US Military from civil arrest/confining within the US, and 2) The US Military has no jurisdiction for civil arrest outside the US. This is wrong no matter how you look at it.
3 posted on 11/27/2011 7:28:13 AM PST by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Traveler59

It’s wrong since they are voting next week and this is the first time I’ve heard about it. How about a little debate? How about the republican candidates weigh in on it?


4 posted on 11/27/2011 7:31:12 AM PST by DManA
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To: Traveler59

A third problem is that the government refuses to be constrained by any law restricting its power. So what the Bill of Rights, or the Posse Comitatus act says, is wholly irrelevant.


5 posted on 11/27/2011 7:32:10 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: DManA
protest is considered “low-level terrorism

Except where the President explicitly endorses it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH99q2CRNZg

And when he doesn't, like a Tea Party event, the army might just show up?

6 posted on 11/27/2011 7:33:17 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Finally and issue that both left and right can come together on and tell our government NO!


7 posted on 11/27/2011 7:35:36 AM PST by Grunthor (pro-illegal alien "conservatives" piss me off.)
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To: Traveler59
Two problems I see; 1) The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits US Military from civil arrest/confining within the US, and 2) The US Military has no jurisdiction for civil arrest outside the US. This is wrong no matter how you look at it.

Whatever restrictions exist because of current law, can be overturned in a moment by the passage of a different law.

8 posted on 11/27/2011 7:36:06 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: DManA
Tea Party event?

"Round up the usual suspects."

9 posted on 11/27/2011 7:39:43 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Roll the stone away, Let the guilty pay, It's Independence Day)
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To: Traveler59

Since when has current law constrained the regime?

And yes, I wholly understand that the answer to that question, becomes the start of a revolution and either the fall of the nation or the restoration of Constitutional government.


10 posted on 11/27/2011 7:43:13 AM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: Grunthor
“Finally and issue that both left and right can come together on and tell our government NO!”

As some of the other posters on this thread this is the first I've heard about this piece of proposed legislation. So, I want to learn more. However, if this law empowers our military to take action against U.S. citizens on U.S. soil then I believe the Posse Comitatus Act will have to be amended or even rescinded. I would be opposed to our military being empowered to take action against U.S. citizens while on U.S. soil. However, keep in mind that we've had U.S. citizens show up on the battlefield in both Afghanistan and Iraq. So, I'm ok with wasting them in situations such as this. Also, if we are ever going to shut down illegal immigration on our southern border it will be necessary to militarize it I think which will require some amending to the Posse Comitatus Act to do this. So, guess we need to do some listening and learning and then ping our respective congress persons and senators....

11 posted on 11/27/2011 7:46:26 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: DManA

“The police brutality against peaceful protesters in Berkeley, Davis, Oakland and elsewhere is bad enough.”

For some reason, I sort of have trouble taking this article seriously.....lol


12 posted on 11/27/2011 7:49:10 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: Traveler59
Habeas Corpus, anyone?
13 posted on 11/27/2011 7:51:51 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Traveler59
Habeas Corpus, anyone?
14 posted on 11/27/2011 7:52:01 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Traveler59
Habeas Corpus, anyone?

If this posts more than once, sorry, I keep getting 503 errors...

15 posted on 11/27/2011 7:52:41 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: coloradan

I believe Fortney Stark is on record gloating about that idea.


16 posted on 11/27/2011 7:53:44 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: coloradan

I believe Fortney Stark is on record gloating about that idea.


17 posted on 11/27/2011 7:53:59 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; Southack
There is historical precedent for this.
18 posted on 11/27/2011 7:57:14 AM PST by Lazamataz (For the balance of the day, I will reply to a thread on another thread.)
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To: Lazamataz

this is all about the drones...got a pesky little militia leader? no need to send in the FBI for a messy takedown in front of the media. just send a predator to do your dirty work


19 posted on 11/27/2011 8:05:08 AM PST by jneesy (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a mans character, give him power.)
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To: DManA

First I`ve heard of this,get it to the Blaze and they`ll investigate it. Even try and get it to go viral like drudge.


20 posted on 11/27/2011 8:07:25 AM PST by nomad
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To: DManA

First I`ve heard of this,get it to the Blaze and they`ll investigate it. Even try and get it to go viral like drudge.


21 posted on 11/27/2011 8:08:06 AM PST by nomad
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To: DManA

which only means the RINOs also want it

which means... odds are good they already have the votes


22 posted on 11/27/2011 8:12:31 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: DManA

which only means the RINOs also want it

which means... odds are good they already have the votes


23 posted on 11/27/2011 8:12:38 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: DManA

If true, this is a problem. However, it is the zerohedgehog blog, which is never right.

If zerosensehedgehog said the sky was blue, I’d go out and check.

Got a better source than this?


24 posted on 11/27/2011 8:12:54 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: DManA
Case in point, my friend:

The police brutality against peaceful protesters in Berkeley, Davis, Oakland and elsewhere is bad enough.

WTF???

25 posted on 11/27/2011 8:13:51 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: DManA; Squantos; Travis McGee; Southack
Okay, according to this analysis, the ACLU might be engaged in a little hyperbole.

While S. 1235 had some very scary language in it, apparantly this one does not and applies only to foreign capture of noncombatants, but under the law of war.

26 posted on 11/27/2011 8:13:56 AM PST by Lazamataz (For the balance of the day, I will reply to a thread on another thread.)
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To: jneesy

Please see my post above. This is ACLU hyperbole.


27 posted on 11/27/2011 8:14:35 AM PST by Lazamataz (For the balance of the day, I will reply to a thread on another thread.)
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To: DManA
"Our good good friend Lindsey Graham is in this up to his ugly little nose."

LG is a disgrace to the Republican Party and South Carolina, no doubt.

Don't forget, though:

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”
It is positively shameful that the Republicans are backing this unequivocally anti-freedom bill, while the Dems oppose it. It glaringly shows the blind spot the Republican Party has regarding a sane and decent balance between national defense (involving almost exclusively foreign nationals and immigrants) and freedom for natural-born American citizens.

I hope our 2012 nominee will take this bull by the horns.

28 posted on 11/27/2011 8:15:11 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Cain '12 - Take Back America!!!)
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To: DManA

It would be helpful if the author would identify which sections of the over 600 pages of that bill were the cause for concern. Without seeing the offending language, fruitful discussion with meaningful input is not possible.

Is there any way to narrow this fearful warning down to its true dimensions? I have only read into it a few hundred pages, and I need some help to not waste my day...


29 posted on 11/27/2011 8:17:26 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: Lazamataz
Thanks for that. Why isn't this being discussed publicly?

The corporate media is doing their part by completely ignoring what is taking place regardless of the fact that the proposed legislation will have unprecedented constitutional implications no matter how it turns out.

After reading this I'm not sure how hyperbolic the ACLU really is being. Nasty legislation being snuck past us.

30 posted on 11/27/2011 8:19:45 AM PST by DManA
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To: Lazamataz
Thanks for that. Why isn't this being discussed publicly?

The corporate media is doing their part by completely ignoring what is taking place regardless of the fact that the proposed legislation will have unprecedented constitutional implications no matter how it turns out.

After reading this I'm not sure how hyperbolic the ACLU really is being. Nasty legislation being snuck past us.

31 posted on 11/27/2011 8:19:49 AM PST by DManA
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To: jneesy

for re-reading again...


32 posted on 11/27/2011 8:20:05 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: jneesy

for re-reading again...


33 posted on 11/27/2011 8:20:12 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: jneesy

for re-reading again...


34 posted on 11/27/2011 8:20:34 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: jneesy

for re-reading again...


35 posted on 11/27/2011 8:20:41 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: DManA

Mostly because this is more or less a routine military funding authorization bill. I imagine it started in the House.


36 posted on 11/27/2011 8:22:22 AM PST by Lazamataz (For the balance of the day, I will reply to a thread on another thread.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

America IS part of the battle field. But rules of political correctness prevent us from identifying the real enemies.

Have you seen the new cable show about our wacky fun loving friends the American Muslims?


37 posted on 11/27/2011 8:23:10 AM PST by DManA
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To: Lazamataz

600 pages can hide a lot of demons. Started in the house but the Senate can add anything they like to it.


38 posted on 11/27/2011 8:24:31 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
Geez...why do freepers keep falling for crap like this.

Spend the time.

Read the darn bill yourself.

Sec 1032 states...

"(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States."

What you posted is a lie.

39 posted on 11/27/2011 8:25:43 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: DManA

S1235 did indeed have some frightening language. But apparantly there’s still a few freedom lovers, both Democrat and Republican, who voted it down.


40 posted on 11/27/2011 8:26:43 AM PST by Lazamataz (For the balance of the day, I will reply to a thread on another thread.)
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To: moose-matson

I already caught it.


41 posted on 11/27/2011 8:27:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (For the balance of the day, I will reply to a thread on another thread.)
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To: DManA; crusadersoldier; Ellzeena; Anvilhead; stonehouse01; Goreknowshowtocheat; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

42 posted on 11/27/2011 8:29:36 AM PST by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: DManA

Prelude to an Obama takeover.


43 posted on 11/27/2011 8:30:02 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: DManA

Prelude to an Obama takeover.


44 posted on 11/27/2011 8:30:11 AM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: jneesy

for re-reading again...


45 posted on 11/27/2011 8:31:05 AM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: moose-matson

I make no apologizes for posting it. There are disturbing things being debated in Washington and up until now most of us have been completely ignorant of it.


46 posted on 11/27/2011 8:33:13 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
I make no apologizes for posting it. There are disturbing things being debated in Washington and up until now most of us have been completely ignorant of it.

It sounds like you still are.

47 posted on 11/27/2011 8:43:35 AM PST by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: TankerKC

Go back to sleep citizen. Nothing to see here.


48 posted on 11/27/2011 8:45:59 AM PST by DManA
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To: TankerKC

Go back to sleep citizen. Nothing to see here.


49 posted on 11/27/2011 8:46:02 AM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

Then post truth about what is happening -—— not sky-is-falling lies.


50 posted on 11/27/2011 8:54:38 AM PST by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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