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Texas students refusal to say Mexican pledge, national anthem starts controversy
KHOU ^ | Nov 22 | Brad Watson

Posted on 11/27/2011 6:19:24 PM PST by GeronL

RIO GRANDE VALLEY, Texas - Every day students in Texas public schools pledge allegiance to the flags of the United States and Texas.

But when a teacher in a Rio Grande Valley high school assigned students to stand and pledge allegiance to the Mexican flag and sing Mexico's national anthem, one student refused.

The resulting controversy has one East Texas lawmaker wanting changes in the state's curriculum on how culture and patriotism are taught in schools.

15-year-old Brenda Brinsdon entered her sophomore year at McAllen ISD's Achieve Early College High School just wanting to do well in her classes.

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Whats the controversy? Its already an option to sit and not say the American pledge after all. Is it now MANDATORY to pledge allegiance to a foreign country??

The teacher should be fired.

1 posted on 11/27/2011 6:19:29 PM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL
The teacher should be fired.

She should be sent to the country to whose allegiance she pledges.

2 posted on 11/27/2011 6:22:26 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: GeronL

Fire the wench now!!!


3 posted on 11/27/2011 6:24:30 PM PST by Da Coyote (Liberalism - when you absolutely, positively have no ability to produce wealth.)
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To: AndrewC

‘She should be sent to the country to whose allegiance she pledges.’

Bingo!


4 posted on 11/27/2011 6:24:41 PM PST by 4integrity
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To: GeronL
only One? and a GIRL??? the boys must be sissy's... good for her!
5 posted on 11/27/2011 6:27:16 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: GeronL

Apparently the “teacher” and classmates are geographically challenged and politically impaired.

And to think that they will vote in three years!

Lord, have mercy.


6 posted on 11/27/2011 6:27:55 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: GeronL

Hmmm...if the governor of that state stepped in and denounced this travesty, he might be seen as having a clue, even as we have no hearts.


7 posted on 11/27/2011 6:27:55 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: GeronL

Anyone have email/phone contact for the school?


8 posted on 11/27/2011 6:27:58 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: GeronL

Good for Brenda Brinsdon. It’s one thing to learn the Mexican pledge for a Spanish class but quite another for a teacher to make the class stand, give the Mexican salute and recite the pledge.

The teacher should be fired.


9 posted on 11/27/2011 6:30:03 PM PST by jazusamo (The real minimum wage is zero: Thomas Sowell)
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To: AndrewC

Oh but she wouldnt want that.She would rather take over the US where all the hard work has been completed and live off the sweat and hardwork of Americans and generosity of liberal politicians with taxpayers dollars.


10 posted on 11/27/2011 6:30:25 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: GeronL

This is ridiculous. I would not mind them learning the Mexican National Anthem for Spanish Class.........BUT not stand or anything just know the spanish words and that is it. We learned the Our Father in Spanish and I still know it after 25 years.


11 posted on 11/27/2011 6:33:15 PM PST by napscoordinator (Anybody but Romney, Newt, Perry, Huntsman, Paul. Perry and Obama are 100 percent the same!!!!!)
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To: GeronL

Fired at with a rifle. How is not that some kind of treason?


12 posted on 11/27/2011 6:36:46 PM PST by Moose Burger
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To: napscoordinator
This is ridiculous. I would not mind them learning the Mexican National Anthem for Spanish Class...

I did in the 9th grade many moons ago.

13 posted on 11/27/2011 6:38:01 PM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: GeronL

I have gone to races close to the Canadian Border and stood for the Canadian anthem out of respect, but no one could make me do it if I didn’t want to,I don’t know the words and I care not to sing it, and this teacher has no business making a student stand and salute for the Mexican pledge.

I add that the anthem is much different than a Pledge. No way would I pledge allegiance to any country other than The United States of America. That isn’t even American.


14 posted on 11/27/2011 6:38:11 PM PST by Venturer
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To: GeronL
These things are usually part of a course teaching Spanish.

I'm sure the Leftwingtards would be up in arms if the students were asked to recite the pledge Spanish soldiers were asked to make to Generalissimo Francisco Franco!

Still, that'd be a far better way to get across to the students the Hispano-American politico-cultural artifact called "the special standing of the military" ~

15 posted on 11/27/2011 6:43:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: GeronL; All

“The teacher should be fired.”

I would want all the facts before I make such a sweeping statement. This young teacher should be told to cease and desist, but it is her superiors that allowed it to go on that should be disciplined...if called for.

Learning something about another’s culture when studying a foreign language is not unusual. I think the teacher’s choice, when border disputes are a big issue, was a foolish way to do this.

Now if an impartial investigation was to show the teacher was trying to indoctrinate the students into a “Mexican” mindset that ran anti-American. Then a mere dismissal is not enough...trying for treason would be more appropriate. However, I seriously doubt this is the case. Just a young dumb new Spanish teacher that waded into a political mess.


16 posted on 11/27/2011 6:44:26 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: GeronL

Here is where the attitude of the teacher came from:

“All of this for the Flag?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=g2SQUXjxUS8


17 posted on 11/27/2011 6:45:49 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: napscoordinator

Back in HS we sang Les Marseillese every so often in French class. My HS was a Jesuit military school which held and still does the Army JROTC Honor Unit Designation. So I don’t think anyone was afraid we’d run off to join the Foreign Legion. Still I like this kid. She stands up for her beliefs.


18 posted on 11/27/2011 6:47:35 PM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: GeronL
"The teacher should be fired."

The school board should be fired and sent packing to what ever haven they choose, across the border.

19 posted on 11/27/2011 6:48:55 PM PST by SERE_DOC (My Rice Krispies told me to stay home & clean my weapons!)
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To: GeronL

Students should not be forced to recite a pledge of allegiance to Mexico, Texas or the United States..


20 posted on 11/27/2011 6:49:35 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: Sola Veritas

The African-American VOTE has been rightly analyzed as paralyzed, thus the LSM effort to get the Latino vote all riled up for zero.

It will fail, as well.


21 posted on 11/27/2011 6:51:19 PM PST by txhurl
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To: xkaydet65

Les Marseillese = a French revolutionary song and the French national anthem.

It is not the French Pledge of Allegiance.

What do you think would happen in Mexico if a teacher had the Mexican students recite the U.S. pledge of allegiance?


22 posted on 11/27/2011 6:52:24 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: trumandogz

Yes, God forbid you pledge allegiance to your own Country.
(sarcasm)


23 posted on 11/27/2011 6:55:39 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: GeronL
"I do have a problem if we're making that the assignment for young people to stand up and pledge to another country," Flynn said. "It lessens the value of the pledge to the United States flag."

The real problem is that any pledge means essentially nothing in this country any more.

Honor has been devalued by the popular culture in this country and the West generally.

If you talk about personal honor to people today they look at you like you are an escapee from a mental institution.

Every year I read somewhere that cheating is rampant in high schools and colleges. There is an industry in every college town for term papers written for profit.

Just note that there is nothing in the article about anyone else in the class joining her in refusing to pledge to a foreign flag. That is most likely because her classmates do not place any importance on a pledge of allegiance or the flag of their country.

Public education has so ingrained multi-culturalism in the public mind and anti-Americanism in to the teaching of history it should surprise no one that pledging allegiance to a foreign flag or statue of the Buddha would be meaningless to a high school student.

24 posted on 11/27/2011 7:01:22 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Shadowstrike

The operative word in that sentence was “Forced.”

And yes, I am opposed to forcing students to recite a pledge to their country all while we want to teach them about all the freedoms we have in the USA.


25 posted on 11/27/2011 7:03:02 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: Shadowstrike

SCOTUS, circa WWII:
“We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control.

We set up government by consent of the governed, and the Bill of Rights denies those in power any legal opportunity to coerce that consent. Authority here is to be controlled by public opinion, not public opinion by authority.”


26 posted on 11/27/2011 7:04:53 PM PST by tumblindice (Whole lotta stutterin' goin' on)
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To: muawiyah; Sola Veritas

They can teach a language without trying to draft the student into changing their nation/religion. A North Texas city was all set to mandate Arabic courses that would have kids dress as Islamics and take Islamic names and recite the Koran. Paid for by the feds of course.

Its disgusting.


27 posted on 11/27/2011 7:05:08 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Pontiac

Hear! Hear! Couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve been hammered more than once at work for daring to ask if what someone was suggesting was appropriate. In most cases they just want everyone to not say anything - so then they can claim that everyone agreed. It pains people to no end when someone does stand up then they have no option, but to say “hmm, yeah I guess you could look at it that way...well any other ideas?” Of course the one who objects is expected to solve the issue at that point and takes ownership - so your damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If I have no better options at hand, I normally suggest the most reasonable approach which is typically costly and already considered and cast aside. But I refuse to be party to immoral and dishonorable actions if I have a say in the matter....and yeah it’s likely cost me some promotions and such...


28 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:27 PM PST by reed13
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To: trumandogz

And yet, our children are “forced” to see, say, and learn things everyday.

It was always an honor to be an American, now people are “forced”?

By saying the pledge, you honor every man,woman and child who died to make our Country great.


29 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:40 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: tumblindice
"Authority here is to be controlled by public opinion, not public opinion by authority.”

Sadly, I don't reall think that is true anymore. I want to be very clear here, I am not saying put a gun to anyones head to say the Pledge, but I believe the Country has suffered greatly by not saying the Pledge. We have allowed everyone else to be more important (feelings) wise than ourselves.

First, it was praying in scholl because it might "offend" someone, then a hundred little paper cuts later, we might "offend" someone with the Pledge.

Where does it stop? When we have "faired" ourselves into non-existence? If you cannot give your loyalty to your nation, under God, who can you give it to?

30 posted on 11/27/2011 7:16:54 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Shadowstrike

“By saying the pledge {sic}, you honor every man,woman and child who died to make our Country {sic} great.”

It is a bit ironic to teach kids how much freedom that have in America and then tell them they have no choice but to say the Pledge.

However, there have been other nations in the not so distant past which did force children to pledge their allegiance to the state.


31 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:15 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: tumblindice

scholl = school.

Sorry the lightbulb blew out and I was typing in the dark.


32 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:40 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: GeronL; a fool in paradise

For an agreed upon price I’d say the pledge to the Principality of Monaco!


33 posted on 11/27/2011 7:20:54 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: trumandogz

No, it is not ironic to have children honor what they have.

What is ironic is just how many people think they shouldn’t.


34 posted on 11/27/2011 7:23:35 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: GeronL
Here is Reyna Santos...the "teacher"



more info @ Teacher Indoctrinating Kids with Seditionist Propaganda

She needs to cut-back on the frijoles...
35 posted on 11/27/2011 7:33:54 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Shadowstrike

How much force would you like to use in order to compel children to recite the Pledge?


36 posted on 11/27/2011 7:42:29 PM PST by trumandogz (In Rick Perry's Nanny State, the state will drive your kids to the dentist at tax payer expense)
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To: GeronL
I don't know when the song refers to “enemy outlanders” do the Americans have to raise their hand and say here.
37 posted on 11/27/2011 7:42:45 PM PST by dog breath
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To: Tainan
There's this place in Oceanside CA where they serve burritos that are a good 19 inches long (half a meter) and with a comparable circumferance.

You can go in there any time and they're playing Mexican soccer.

You'd think the drive from Texas would be too much, but obviously Reyna has been making that trip at least once a week. Next time I'm out there I'll watch for her (and see if she can still squeeze in the door!)

38 posted on 11/27/2011 7:44:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dog breath

lol.

si!


39 posted on 11/27/2011 7:46:17 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Tainan

Real tortillas are chock full of lard. Gets ‘em every time.


40 posted on 11/27/2011 7:46:50 PM PST by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: GeronL

Well with 30 million new Mexicans voting in the South West (thank you Newt) the teacher is just preparing her students for the future. US South West returned to Mexico.


41 posted on 11/27/2011 8:01:26 PM PST by jpsb
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To: trumandogz

>> so distant past which did force children to pledge their allegiance to the state.

You’re confusing the United States with Nazi Germany. One country liberates the other persecuted. We’re also talking about rearing children; something quite different than forcing adults into compliance.

If public school children should be allowed to deny the Flag, why not let them deny attendance? We’re all paying for this, we all have a say.


42 posted on 11/27/2011 8:05:25 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jets.)
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To: GeronL
>> Students stood with right arms straight out and palms down, which is how the school district says Mexicans say their pledge. <<

Like this?


43 posted on 11/27/2011 8:11:31 PM PST by dangus
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To: trumandogz

About as much force and pressure as being put on a 15 year old girl who refuses to say the pledge to a foreign country, and sing it’s national anthem.


44 posted on 11/27/2011 8:13:36 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: dangus

ootlanders are zee enemiez, si habla!


45 posted on 11/27/2011 8:18:56 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: luvbach1

It’s a Spanish language class, why not the Spanish national anthem?


46 posted on 11/27/2011 9:00:39 PM PST by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: GeronL

Why should students in a public school in the United States of America pledge to any other country or sing another other country’s anthem in an American school?

This is not right. We need answers about why this travesty is acceptable.


47 posted on 11/27/2011 9:26:01 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: FreeDeerHawk

“We need answers about why this travesty is acceptable.”

Ask Perry...


48 posted on 11/27/2011 9:29:32 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: Da Coyote

“Fire the wench now!!!”

And maybe the governor...


49 posted on 11/27/2011 9:31:24 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: tumblindice

We are talking about school children,who are not of majority age and possibly many of whom are not citizens of this country.

We,the adult citizens of the United States of America,do not have to tolerate minors and/or citizens of other countries,disrespecting our laws,traditions and language,including the pledge of allegiance,which has become a part of our popular tradition. We should contact our representatives right away and voice opposition.

Students in this country should never give pledges to any other nation while in public school. I understand learning in foreign language classes,but there are other ways to learn the language and traditions of other countries,rather than pledging to their nations.


50 posted on 11/27/2011 9:51:07 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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