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Cain Wants Illegal Immigration Issue Shifted to States
The Corner / The National Review ^ | 11-27-2011 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 11/27/2011 6:51:43 PM PST by TitansAFC

Herman Cain indicated today that he does not agree with Newt Gingrich’s position on immigration.

“The way I would deal with those that are already here, which has been my stated position: empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here, not some, big, grandiose, national one size fit-all. I believe that the states should be empowered to deal with the illegals that are already here,” Cain said CNN’s State of the Union this morning.

In response to whether that meant the states could allow illegal immigrants to “be put on a path toward legalization and toward citizenship,” Cain answered, “It would be up to the states as long as they did not break the federal law.”

But when Crowley used the word “amnesty,” inquiring if that it meant it would be “okay” if the states granted “some sort of amnesty to those who are already living here,” Cain vehemently denied he supported amnesty.

“I’m not saying that at all,” he said

“Secure the border for real,” Cain continued, speaking about what his plan regarding illegal immigrants is. “Promote the path to citizenship that’s already there, and the path to citizenship that’s already there doesn’t say anything about amnesty. Thirdly, enforce the laws that are already there, but make it easier for companies to be able to enforce the laws. And fourth, empower the states. Don’t give the states any special things to do, just empower them to do within the law what the federal government is not doing.”


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---"...In response to whether that meant the states could allow illegal immigrants to “be put on a path toward legalization and toward citizenship,” Cain answered, “It would be up to the states..."---

---"... empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here, not some, big, grandiose, national one size fit-all..."---

For the Record, isn't "deport them all" a "big, grandiose, national one size fit-all?"

1 posted on 11/27/2011 6:51:57 PM PST by TitansAFC
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To: TitansAFC

Deporting them all is going to require the cooperation of the states. The Feds have to support it, but most of the work will be in the hands of the states. Of course, I am going to have to look at the full transcript. This sounds like another attempt to splice the answers to two different questions together again as Morgan did with abortion and adoption vs. keeping the child in the family.


2 posted on 11/27/2011 6:56:29 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: TitansAFC

That is insane.

I guess I am really sitting out 2012.

This is a joke.


3 posted on 11/27/2011 6:58:03 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Ingtar

Everything “requires the cooperation of the states,” Ingtar.

That does not excuse the fact that Cain is okay with millions of illegals getting amnesty if some states decide it.


4 posted on 11/27/2011 6:58:46 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: TitansAFC

Does this mean it’s ok to deport from state to state?


5 posted on 11/27/2011 6:59:49 PM PST by o-n-money
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To: TitansAFC
Poor little newtie has no place to hide. Newt supports amnesty so now attack everything moving. LOL
6 posted on 11/27/2011 7:00:27 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: TitansAFC

IT IS CALLED SB1070. The law that Obama had stopped by the federal courts.

http://www.cis.org/Announcement/AZ-Immigration-SB1070


7 posted on 11/27/2011 7:00:27 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: TitansAFC

Perry set the table and now the rest are seen falling in line. They may be adding a little rhumba to the same thing Rick said, but they are all in to the crossed T and dotted I. Anything less is impractical, very expensive and serves no purpose, if the alternative can be making taxpayers out of the good ones and deporting the drug runners, human traffickers and gangsters. They are not the same.

This country failed utterly to enforce ANY laws for decades.
THAT was the attraction in the first place. No enforcement.


8 posted on 11/27/2011 7:00:39 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: TitansAFC

The borders are the Feds responsibility. The States of the Union are suffering from the irresponsibility of the Fed in NOT doing their job. It’s up to the Fed to clean up the screw up they caused over multiple administrations, and it is the responsibility of the people to kick the Feds butt, and make them do what they are chartered to do.

We have to look at November 2012 as butt kickin’ time.


9 posted on 11/27/2011 7:00:50 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: o-n-money

SB1070 kinda did that. The illegals fled to Mexifornia.


10 posted on 11/27/2011 7:02:16 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: TitansAFC

I watched Cain talk about this and honestly couldn’t make heads or tails out of it. It was like he always tries to do: be everything to everyone. With Perry and Gingrich at least you have been clear-cut plans that are pretty well understandable, even if you don’t agree with them.


11 posted on 11/27/2011 7:02:25 PM PST by magritte
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To: Fred

“...In response to whether that meant the states could allow illegal immigrants to “be put on a path toward legalization and toward citizenship,” Cain answered, “It would be up to the states...”

Deal with it. Cain is okay with legalization and citizenship for millions of illegals if some states decide it’s okay.

I mean, it’s not like they broke any federal laws, right? Oh, wait.........


12 posted on 11/27/2011 7:02:27 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: GeronL

The constitution and Herman Cain have not met in person. He’s heard about Mr. Constitution, though, and know Mr. Constitution yaps about states’ rights or something or other.


13 posted on 11/27/2011 7:02:42 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: TitansAFC
One of the few jobs specifically laid on the Federal Government. It's not the responsibility of the individual states. This would not be an issue if the Feds hadn't disgracefully failed to discharge their duty. Not just under the Obama Regime but under the previous several administrations.

Turn the bastards out and elect someone who will enforce the law for a change!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
14 posted on 11/27/2011 7:03:08 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: TitansAFC
You are funny no state can take the position of amnesty, they would be bankrupt in a year, just like California.
15 posted on 11/27/2011 7:03:08 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: TitansAFC
I love Herman but he fell into the amnesty trap. First he says they could “be put on a path toward legalization and toward citizenship,” by the states, but then he says he does not support amnesty at all.

It really doesn't matter what you call it, it only matters what you do. Newt suggested leaving decisions in the hands of citizens of local communities, but I guess states would do. Only Newt does NOT offer at any level a "path...toward citizenship" option as Herman Cain says he has.

16 posted on 11/27/2011 7:05:07 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gator113

LOL

Yeah.....we’ll see if Cain “supporting Amnesty” gets the sidebar treatment.


17 posted on 11/27/2011 7:05:25 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: TitansAFC
Cain Wants Illegal Immigration Issue Shifted to States (Cain says he won't deport,...

Ya don't say...


18 posted on 11/27/2011 7:06:40 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (Hello, Hello...Remember me... I'm everything you can't control...)
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To: GeronL

He did not say that and he made sure that Candy Crowley did not get away with trying to put words in his mouth. He correctly explained that what he wants to do is to empower the states to do what the current Feds are not willing to.

Again, hyperbole should have no place whatsoever in our primary process and when it rears its ugly head, we nuke it pronto.


19 posted on 11/27/2011 7:06:55 PM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: magritte

It’s a dumb idea.

Cain seems to have a lot of them.

If the states are allowed to deal with it, States like Maryland and California, and Florida will become suburbs of Mexico.

It’s a National Problem anyway because States cannot make someone a citizen nor do states have ICE, Immigration, or Border Patrols.States cannot order deportations.


20 posted on 11/27/2011 7:07:34 PM PST by Venturer
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To: TitansAFC

sounds like Mr. Cain would like the federal government to stop interfering with (and suing) states that are trying to make things difficult for illegals.


21 posted on 11/27/2011 7:08:00 PM PST by jjw
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To: SaraJohnson

Herman needs some better advisors.

States giving out citizenships? That is simply insane.


22 posted on 11/27/2011 7:08:05 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: mazda77

..In response to whether that meant the states could allow illegal immigrants to “be put on a path toward legalization and toward citizenship,” Cain answered, “It would be up to the states...

He did say that. He said he’s okay with millions of illegals getting citizenship if the states decide it’s okay.

Yes, he did.


23 posted on 11/27/2011 7:08:13 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: TitansAFC

You Newtitos baffle me. Your taskmasters, the LSM and the likes of Karl Rove, have done everything short of stabbing Cain to get rid of him. According to these TOOLS, Cain is done for, gone , hasta la bye bye, dead man walking, end, Cain who...single digits, rapist,etc..etc...etc..etc...etc...

Why do you keep bringing Cain up..

But since you asked here it is:

There are 4 problems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_aKqWXvM3g

he says WE DO NOT NEED AMNESTY!!!!


24 posted on 11/27/2011 7:08:45 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: magritte

Now, what to do with the Perry bashers? He led on the issue of what is possible and practical and has already taken lemons and make lemonade. ALL other candidates are playing catch up, as their own commentary now lines up with Rick Perry. Bachman, Newt, Romney and Cain. Next?


25 posted on 11/27/2011 7:08:50 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: TitansAFC

Did you actually read the article, or better yet, go to the transcript?

“My position is: Secure the border for real. Promote the path to citizenship that already exists. The problem is the bureaucracy in getting people here legally. Now then the fourth — the way I would deal with those that are already here, which has been my stated position, empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here. Not some big grandiose national one-size-fits-all.”

The Feds to empower the states (help them) deal with those here already. Nothing in it about allowing states to grant amnesty or path to citizenship outside the legal paths already established.

Every time he tried to state something about the states deciding how best to round them up, or deal with them within the law, Crowley tried to call that allowing amnesty, to Cain’s protestations that Crowley was not understanding what he was saying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/27/sotu.01.html


26 posted on 11/27/2011 7:10:30 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: jjw

Nice spin....and a big reach, jjw.

He thinks the breaking of federal immigrations laws is not a federal issue.

He’s okay with citizenship for millions of illegals as long as it’s not done at the federal level.

Not good. To the left of Perry and Newt, methinks.


27 posted on 11/27/2011 7:10:30 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: magritte
I watched Cain talk about this and honestly couldn’t make heads or tails out of it.

This is because Cain himself probably has no idea what he's talking about. It is clear he doesn't understand the issue and the Federal responsibility for immigration enforcement.

Cain is just making it up as he goes along. He bluffed his way this far with motivational speaking skills, but on the issues he basically doesn't know what he's talking about. Fortunately, Cain will not be the nominee.

28 posted on 11/27/2011 7:10:37 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: TitansAFC

Did you actually read the article, or better yet, go to the transcript?

“My position is: Secure the border for real. Promote the path to citizenship that already exists. The problem is the bureaucracy in getting people here legally. Now then the fourth — the way I would deal with those that are already here, which has been my stated position, empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here. Not some big grandiose national one-size-fits-all.”

The Feds to empower the states (help them) deal with those here already. Nothing in it about allowing states to grant amnesty or path to citizenship outside the legal paths already established.

Every time he tried to state something about the states deciding how best to round them up, or deal with them within the law, Crowley tried to call that allowing amnesty, to Cain’s protestations that Crowley was not understanding what he was saying.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/27/sotu.01.html


29 posted on 11/27/2011 7:10:42 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: TitansAFC

Against federal law? Just asking. It’s not up to the states to enforce federal law; unless the fed’s won’t do it.


30 posted on 11/27/2011 7:10:47 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: TitansAFC

I don’t think the Supremacy clause would allow the states to do this in the first place. I think what he means is a state can “hang out” with the illegals or attempt to enforce like AL. States like FL & TX are locked into Bush progressivism R-machinery so its gonna be damn hard to pull off..never mind CA.
As it stands now from a legal perspective...states can successfully stop the hiring if they craft very smart E-Verify laws. It is like a swiss clock to get it right and draw in monies to enforce, allow cops to ask for ID on probable cause pullovers and they can ban “business transactions” between entities and aliens. Believe me there are tools but you have to press down on the gas pedal.


31 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:07 PM PST by magna carta
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To: TitansAFC
Sheesh. What a mess.

I guess Cain missed that part of the Constitution which places an imperative obligation on the national government to protect each of the states from invasion.

Article. IV.

Section. 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.


32 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:29 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: o-n-money
Does this mean it’s ok to deport from state to state?

So each state would have to create a department to handle illegals and deportations? Exactly how would a non-border state go about deporting illegals?

The FED won't give up that power.

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Too many times, when a politician is faced with a difficult issue, they claim it should be left to the states. That deflects the issue from them.

Cain's position creates new problems.
33 posted on 11/27/2011 7:11:51 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TitansAFC

Willful ignorance is very ugly and you are becoming a poster child for it. Just what is it that scares the hell out of you about him in the first place that you cannot be honest pr provide the full context of what he said. I heard it and he handled Crowley very well and made her look like the fool she is.


34 posted on 11/27/2011 7:12:31 PM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: TitansAFC

Cain should quit, really.


35 posted on 11/27/2011 7:12:50 PM PST by jpsb
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To: TitansAFC

The best solution possible in the current political environment is to seal the borders and wait about 50 years. Make it almost impossible to work without valid paperwork and most illegals will self-deport. Those who stay will pass away eventually leaving only their citizen children.

Doing anything more will be untenable, I’m afraid.


36 posted on 11/27/2011 7:13:23 PM PST by cartoonistx
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To: Outlaw Woman

Hey, OW! Love the popcorn graphic! Is this Cain revelation not a kick? And after all the yowling against Rick. Some little boats around here are springing leaks and taking on water fast, as we speak.


37 posted on 11/27/2011 7:13:27 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: Longbow1969
Cain is just making it up as he goes along. He bluffed his way this far with motivational speaking skills, but on the issues he basically doesn't know what he's talking about.

That's been obvious for a very long time.

38 posted on 11/27/2011 7:13:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: rockinqsranch

Don’t tell me you agree with the fed court that SCREWED Arizona on SB1070?

9th circus on sb1070
http://www.legalactioncenter.org/clearinghouse/litigation-issue-pages/arizona-sb-1070%E2%80%8E-legal-challenges-and-economic-realities


39 posted on 11/27/2011 7:14:26 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: ConorMacNessa
No, the supreme court said the congress had the only authority to allow immigration, and set the factors of citizenship, the states could actually deport people if they pushed it, since there is no law against it and I would bet if you dug through old court cases in Texas you can find cases where judges have order deportation. Hell at one time a Texas ranger would shoot and illegal just like they did Indians. No big deal, the coyotes helped, the four legged kind.

DeCanas v baca http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=424&invol=351

40 posted on 11/27/2011 7:15:03 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: cartoonistx
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41 posted on 11/27/2011 7:16:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Fred

You’d think states rights would be championed on a conservative website but most of you are big government RINOs, sadly.


42 posted on 11/27/2011 7:17:15 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: GeronL
I guess I am really sitting out 2012.

I fear I may have voted in my last election. Nobody on a national level seems to care that America is literally being overrun by our enemies.

43 posted on 11/27/2011 7:17:42 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: TitansAFC

I don’t wholly disagree with this. Arizona has already proved that a state can take great strides in correcting the problem if the FedGov just gets out of the way. However, there should be more penalizing of states WRT federal funds if they’re not only not implementing controls, but also acting as sanctuaries (i.e. California).


44 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:03 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: RitaOK

*snicker* *snicker* *snort* *snort*

The word RINO comes to mind...

*snicker*

LA RAZA CAIN

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


45 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:25 PM PST by Outlaw Woman (Hello, Hello...Remember me... I'm everything you can't control...)
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To: GeronL

Immigration is the one federal issue and he wants to delegate to states? Is he now trying to copy Rick Perry on “states rights” deference?


46 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:27 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: mazda77

Cain was simply not up to that Crowley interview today. He has been lately looiking uncharacteristically unprepared and acted mostly flabbergasted. Media bashing will not help him because he is intellegent enough to best them, but he is simply not doing his homework, and it is starting to show.


47 posted on 11/27/2011 7:19:26 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: bigdirty
You’d think states rights would be championed on a conservative website but most of you are big government RINOs, sadly.

Conservatives understand the limitations on states rights in a federal constitutional republic, one based in the rule of law, not of men. Do you?

48 posted on 11/27/2011 7:19:45 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
If you actually read the mans words instead of newtie spin if would help you look a bit smarter.
49 posted on 11/27/2011 7:19:50 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: GeronL

Same here. Herman is a business man. He wants cheap labor, at the expense of legal americans, who had jobs, who worked for a living, but now don’t. And would do a lot of the jobs illegals now do.

I said the same about Gingrich, And I was still with Cain, until this.

2012 is starting to look pretty grim.


50 posted on 11/27/2011 7:20:13 PM PST by tennmountainman
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