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The Future of the Obama Coalition (abandons white working class)
New York Times ^ | 11/27/11 | THOMAS B. EDSALL

Posted on 11/28/2011 6:35:49 AM PST by Evil Slayer

For decades, Democrats have suffered continuous and increasingly severe losses among white voters. But preparations by Democratic operatives for the 2012 election make it clear for the first time that the party will explicitly abandon the white working class.

All pretence of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

It is instructive to trace the evolution of a political strategy based on securing this coalition in the writings and comments, over time, of such Democratic analysts as Stanley Greenberg and Ruy Teixeira. Both men were initially determined to win back the white working-class majority, but both currently advocate a revised Democratic alliance in which whites without college degrees are effectively replaced by well-educated socially liberal whites in alliance with the growing ranks of less affluent minority voters, especially Hispanics.

The 2012 approach treats white voters without college degrees as an unattainable cohort. The Democratic goal with these voters is to keep Republican winning margins to manageable levels, in the 12 to 15 percent range, as opposed to the 30-point margin of 2010 — a level at which even solid wins among minorities and other constituencies are not enough to produce Democratic victories.

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1 posted on 11/28/2011 6:35:55 AM PST by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer
Dem voter fraud usually comes from black precincts - don't forget the dead vote...
2 posted on 11/28/2011 6:41:11 AM PST by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: Evil Slayer

why is every single article presented as

“you are being manipulated, stupid, here is what is REALLY going on.”


3 posted on 11/28/2011 6:42:01 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Evil Slayer

This ain’t your grandparents’ dumbocrat party...

No wonder they want to let illegals vote!


4 posted on 11/28/2011 6:43:40 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Evil Slayer

Demonrat party operatives have been persuading non-thinking voters of ALL races for decades.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 6:44:15 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Evil Slayer
Both men were initially determined to win back the white working-class majority, but both currently advocate a revised Democratic alliance in which whites without college degrees are effectively replaced by well-educated socially liberal whites in alliance with the growing ranks of less affluent minority voters, especially Hispanics.

Non-union working-class whites are in competition with minorities for the same working-class jobs, and are disproportionately affected by affirmative action rules.

6 posted on 11/28/2011 6:45:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Evil Slayer

America will be truly divided - and by race.

Let all pretense of union be forgotten.

Get ready for violence.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 6:46:12 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Evil Slayer
professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists

All capital-consuming occupations. Not a one contributes a penny to the wealth of the nation. Combine those with the poor and the destitute and you have an even clearer indication (if you needed one) that the Democrats are now officially the party of the parasite class.

8 posted on 11/28/2011 6:49:19 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

20 years ago I poo-pooed the idea of a civil war within the United States.

Now I just think it’s only a matter of time. The die has already been cast.


9 posted on 11/28/2011 6:49:35 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: BfloGuy

You nailed it.


10 posted on 11/28/2011 6:58:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: PetroniusMaximus

the word racism was devised to destroy America. IT IS.


11 posted on 11/28/2011 7:08:29 AM PST by television is just wrong
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To: PetroniusMaximus
America will be truly divided - and by race. Let all pretense of union be forgotten. Get ready for violence.

So the black libs are gonna off the white libs? Are white conservatives gonna shoot black conservatives like me?

12 posted on 11/28/2011 7:15:31 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

When we have 2 parties primarily defined by race there will be racial violence.

Every political issue will become defined by race.

Every disagreement will be racist.


13 posted on 11/28/2011 7:21:33 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Evil Slayer
educational attainment .....artists,... social workers, teachers and therapists

LMAO!

Since when have these types of people attained, or even sought some kind of notable educational achievement?
14 posted on 11/28/2011 7:31:22 AM PST by indthkr
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To: Evil Slayer
All pretence of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

I've heard this before. This was the strategy of Walter Mondale's 1984 campaign. It didn't end well for Mondale.

15 posted on 11/28/2011 7:36:44 AM PST by Publius
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To: Publius

I’ve heard this before. This was the strategy of Walter Mondale’s 1984 campaign. It didn’t end well for Mondale.


Wasn’t the poltical wiz Bob Beckel the campaign manager/strategist for Mondale?


16 posted on 11/28/2011 7:50:38 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
When we have 2 parties primarily defined by race there will be racial violence.

So you're saying that our side will become primarily defined by race? It's true that the other side has long been evolving into something of that description, but I hardly think that our side is.

Let me cut to the chase here. When a black conservative reads a statement like the one I first responded to, a small alarm goes off in their head. The potential for taking friendly fire is a real concern for people like me. If the SHTF, right thinking blacks are going to be at great risk in the fight, if the lines are being defined primarily by race.

I don't expect you to have the answer, but the scenario you pose is of life and death concern for some people.

17 posted on 11/28/2011 7:51:17 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

It’s been too many years. I’m not sure.


18 posted on 11/28/2011 7:52:26 AM PST by Publius
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To: All

obama is toast.


19 posted on 11/28/2011 7:54:09 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: Windflier
(abandons white working class)

This is news? We knew this when we saw his henchmen go after Joe The Plumber.

20 posted on 11/28/2011 7:55:58 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Windflier

“So you’re saying that our side will become primarily defined by race? “

No I think the other side will primarily be defined by race. And I think we will eventually see tactics used in the US similar to those used in the last Kenyan election.

And that will have an inevitable polarizing effect.

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“...If the SHTF, right thinking blacks are going to be at great risk in the fight, if the lines are being defined primarily by race.”

If the SHTF then your best protection will be to be surrounded by a community of like-minded people you know and trust.

I’m not sure what your imagining, but I don’t believe that the conservatives in this country will never become a racist, “shoot blacks on sight” mob.

It’s far more likely that the major urban areas will become NFZ for whites.

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“I don’t expect you to have the answer, but the scenario you pose is of life and death concern for some people.”

If the above scenario plays out, we will ALL be in a life or death struggle.


21 posted on 11/28/2011 8:15:16 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Evil Slayer
All pretence of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

That's why they have to push so hard for amnesty, welfare programs and student loan forgiveness. They don't need the white working class, except for needing them to pay the taxes that are going to buy them a constituency.

22 posted on 11/28/2011 8:22:26 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Evil Slayer
Democrats are "cementing a center-left coalition" made up of pseduo-intellectuals and the poor. CENTER-LEFT?? LOL. The author is nuts.
23 posted on 11/28/2011 8:26:55 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Windflier
. The potential for taking friendly fire is a real concern for people like me. If the SHTF, right thinking blacks are going to be at great risk in the fight, if the lines are being defined primarily by race.

Personally, I am so tired of this race crap (pardon my french). I am a real bigot and discriminate on behavior and thinking. but I do allow for growth and change in me and others.

A couple of points. There has been and aways will be friendly fire, wish it wasn't so. You used the word
“primarily”, Most wars are ideological in nature. Jews fought in all armies of WWII, blacks fought on both sides of the civil war and there are probably other examples.

The truly amazing thing is that we are having this discussion......................

24 posted on 11/28/2011 8:31:42 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: BfloGuy
All capital-consuming occupations. Not a one contributes a penny to the wealth of the nation.

I disagree! Artists, Designers, and Librarians create wealth too!

25 posted on 11/28/2011 8:35:47 AM PST by no-s (B.L.O.A.T. and every day...because some day soon they won't be making any more...for you.)
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To: no-s; BfloGuy

ok folks when you say the word wealth, what do you mean?


26 posted on 11/28/2011 8:39:30 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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To: Windflier
So the black libs are gonna off the white libs? Are white conservatives gonna shoot black conservatives like me?

I think your biggest threat would be from black libs who don't consider you liberal enough, if at all.

Next would be white libs who may actually have the balls to pull the trigger.

Your least threat would be from conservatives, because mostly they think before they act, and not base their actions solely on emotion.

27 posted on 11/28/2011 8:43:45 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: PeterPrinciple
The truly amazing thing is that we are having this discussion.....

Well, for folks like me, this isn't just an intellectual exercise. It's a life and death concern. There won't be uniforms in the next war.

28 posted on 11/28/2011 8:46:50 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Look at what happened in the Balkans.

Sadly, you are right to be worried. As am I. When SHTF, people stop thinking.


29 posted on 11/28/2011 8:54:45 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Evil Slayer
Nothing to worry about here!

You see, the well educated Leftist who is making the good money, actually knows what is best for the lower and under classes, and therefore,logically as night follows day, ipso facto knows what is best for the white working and/or middle classes. Indeed, as I have just shown you, the Leftist in a secure financial position knows what is best for the whole nation.

When it comes to those nasty elections, the prosperous Left can count on the support of the lower orders, who are after all, too ignorant to notice that their leaders have resources while they have none, except what their leaders deign to give them. They have been controlled and brainwashed to think that their misery is the result of white middle class greed and look forward to receiving ever more of whitey's "ill-gotten gains" through tax-supported improved "social engineering" programs.

In case there are not enough members of the lower orders to support the agenda, we can always get more from the Third World. There are many other benefits from an alliance with the ignorant. Who the hell else would buy, for example, "Global Warming," and the preposterous taxes and regulations that keep it going?

Bottom line, the Left remains in power, and its leadership is directly or indirectly tax-supported.

Sweet.

30 posted on 11/28/2011 9:00:33 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure this eligibility stuff out?)
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To: Evil Slayer
The comments at the NY Times are a real treat!

 

Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! My-yummy!

 

31 posted on 11/28/2011 9:19:42 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: BfloGuy
professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists

All capital-consuming occupations. Not a one contributes a penny to the wealth of the nation. Combine those with the poor and the destitute and you have an even clearer indication (if you needed one) that the Democrats are now officially the party of the parasite class.


Anyone remember the "B" ship from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy?
32 posted on 11/28/2011 9:49:23 AM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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To: Evil Slayer
All pretence of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

Split hispanics and dinks/yuppies/meganmccains, and Democrats are in deep shit.
33 posted on 11/28/2011 9:52:04 AM PST by yup2394871293
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To: PapaBear3625

Unions are part of the reason that so many blacks have trouble finding work.


34 posted on 11/28/2011 9:54:20 AM PST by yup2394871293
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To: Evil Slayer
The Future of the Obama Coalition (abandons white working class)

The same folks that McCain wrote off, his lap dog Goober Graham used a codeword for them when he said "We're going to tell the bigots to shut up." The RINO's did not want to hear from a lot of white folks, and come November of 2008 they didn't.
35 posted on 11/28/2011 9:55:49 AM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

“professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists “

These are the very people who are destroying our country by their “being.” China just announced that they were going to eliminate college degree programs for “professions” that could not get jobs on graduation. We would have a great start if we did the same, and it included these aforesaid mentioned people.


36 posted on 11/28/2011 10:43:14 AM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: GOPJ
Dem voter fraud usually comes from black precincts - don't forget the dead vote...

But the distribution of black voters is concentrated in places where they already have majorities.

The political repercussions of gathering minority strength remain unknown. Calculations based on exit poll and Census data suggest that the Democratic Party will become “majority minority” shortly after 2020.

One outcome could be a stronger party of the left in national and local elections. An alternate outcome could be exacerbated intra-party conflict between whites, blacks and Hispanics — populations frequently marked by diverging material interests. Black versus brown struggles are already emerging in contests over the distribution of political power, especially during a current redistricting of city council, state legislative and congressional seats in cities like Los Angeles and Chicago.

They're building an inherently unstable coalition of upper and lower classes against the private sector middle class and writing off working class whites. They can say goodbye to the Jacksonian Democrats.

If we use the Great Recession to repeal the Open Immigration Act of 1965, the rats are demographically doomed for the foreseeable future.

37 posted on 11/28/2011 10:48:24 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
But the distribution of black voters is concentrated in places where they already have majorities.

When I think of the "Obama Coalition" - I'm thinking national and state races...States votes - electoral college - you know - that kind of thing doesn't depend on city tallies.

38 posted on 11/28/2011 11:53:15 AM PST by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: PeterPrinciple
ok folks when you say the word wealth, what do you mean?

If someone purchases some resources from owners who, without coercion or deception, willingly supply them at the price paid, and if that person subsequently (possibly after some manipulation upon them) sells them to people who, without coercion or deception, willingly purchase them with their own money, then that person has created wealth. A reasonable lower bound on the amount of wealth created is the difference between the price for which the person bought the resources and the price for which he sold them.

If an artist buys $10 worth of materials and uses them to produce a painting, and if the artist finds someone who wants to spend $10,000 of his own money on that painting, by what measure would you say the artist has not produced $9,990 worth of wealth?

I would posit that while it may be difficult to precisely value things, the fact that someone is willing to pay $X of his own money for something implies that it is worth at least $X to that person. Likewise if a person is freely willing to sell something for $Y, it is worth at most $Y to that person. I would aver that when the artist purchased the materials, they were worth no more than $10, and when he sold the painting it was worth at least $10,000. Would you disagree with those assessments? How would you assess the values of the materials and the painting?

39 posted on 11/28/2011 4:01:13 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: redgolum
Sadly, you are right to be worried. As am I. When SHTF, people stop thinking.

Well, I'm praying that this country doesn't cross that line. I don't have much to rest my faith on, though. We're living in scary times.

40 posted on 11/28/2011 4:43:42 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Incorrigible

Thanks for that! I laughed so hard I almost needed the Heimlich maneuver!


41 posted on 11/28/2011 5:30:59 PM PST by TSgt ("Romney" means "rino cult" in Kenyan)
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To: Windflier

Find a place outside the large cities, where enough people know you personally that you have a reasonable chance to blend in.

If you can’t live there, have a plan to get there. For instance, mine is get the heck out of Iowa and closer to where I grew up. To liberal here.


42 posted on 11/28/2011 5:37:56 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Evil Slayer
they have served their purpose and are no longer of any use to the boy...

useless eaters all that voted for him

43 posted on 11/28/2011 5:49:39 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: redgolum
Find a place outside the large cities, where enough people know you personally that you have a reasonable chance to blend in.

It's not hard to do in Texas. We just moved to the city from a semi-rural area eight months ago. I just have to bust hiney to get us back there before the SHTF.

44 posted on 11/28/2011 6:02:16 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Evil Slayer

...and hence the threat of Cain...who knocks the legs out from under this strategy...


45 posted on 11/28/2011 6:08:29 PM PST by mo
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To: Evil Slayer

later


46 posted on 11/28/2011 6:12:26 PM PST by I_be_tc
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To: Evil Slayer
Cornel West: Ultimate Fight For Entitlements Will Be In "The Streets"
47 posted on 11/28/2011 8:17:44 PM PST by blam
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Evil Slayer.


48 posted on 11/28/2011 8:34:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BfloGuy
“Not a one contributes a penny to the wealth of the nation.”

As a professional designer, and a registered Republican, I take offense to your comment.

49 posted on 11/28/2011 9:04:25 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: supercat
If an artist buys $10 worth of materials and uses them to produce a painting, and if the artist finds someone who wants to spend $10,000 of his own money on that painting, by what measure would you say the artist has not produced $9,990 worth of wealth?


Sounds to me like we all better be painting pictures to generate wealth. at best, the painting would be a storage of wealth, not a producer. It most likely is a consumption of wealth generated at another source. Rome spent it's money on bread and circuses..................

I prefer the classic ideas of Adam Smith in the Wealth of Nations. It is a complicated discussion but in essence wealth generates more wealth. the classic example is a wetland field that won't produce anything but if I spend the money to tile it and fertilize it, now it generates more wealth every year with crops.

Adam smith disliked government, lawyers, bankers and the arts because they consumed rather than produced. He did admit they are a needed part of society but MUST not be too large or the focus of activity.

Your example of the panting is exactly what obama is doing. He believes that spending money on anything generates wealth. It is very important WHERE YOU SPEND THE MONEY.

50 posted on 11/29/2011 7:20:19 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( getting closer to the truth.................)
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