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'Anthrax isn't scary at all compared to this': Man-made flu virus with potential to wipe out...
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | November 28 | Staff

Posted on 11/28/2011 8:39:53 AM PST by PghBaldy

A group of scientists is pushing to publish research about how they created a man-made flu virus that could potentially wipe out civilisation. The deadly virus is a genetically tweaked version of the H5N1 bird flu strain, but is far more infectious and could pass easily between millions of people at a time. The research has caused a storm of controversy and divided scientists, with some saying it should never have been carried out.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: avianflu; birdflu; dutchlab; dutchlabvirus; dutchvirus; h5n1; influenza
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I searched, but given the length of the title, not sure if it is a dupe. It was posted at the Mail and hour or so ago.
1 posted on 11/28/2011 8:39:55 AM PST by PghBaldy
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To: PghBaldy

“Captain Trips”????


2 posted on 11/28/2011 8:44:13 AM PST by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: shibumi

Cibola!
Bumpty-bump!

[M-O-O-N....that spells doom]


3 posted on 11/28/2011 8:45:33 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: PghBaldy

Good God in heaven.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 8:45:43 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: MeganC

GMTA.

:)


5 posted on 11/28/2011 8:46:18 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: PghBaldy

Here ia another thread, different article, on same issue: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2812692/posts


6 posted on 11/28/2011 8:47:41 AM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: Salamander

So much for “buy gold,” Fukushima, real estate bubble and asteroids, huh?


7 posted on 11/28/2011 8:48:20 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: PghBaldy
There is a trade off when you make a biological weapon, and since this research was essentially banned in 1972 , I question it's authenticity.

But, if you make a weapon that is deadly and kills quickly; it can easily be defeated by Quarintine. If it spreads and kills slowly, then the enemy has time to devise a vaccination - or respond militarily (ie. nuke).

Since this research is theoretically banned, I question as to whether this is really going on - and if so, why is it being tolerated? Secondly, any country breaking international treaties in this manner has to be prepared for a break-out, should an accident happen; thus have prepared an ample supply of an effective treatment. If your army is sick/dying; it's hard to defeat a sick and desperate opposing force (they have nothing left to lose, as they are dying anyway).

All it takes is a pre-emptive strike - and the developing nation will find itself coated with a weaponized cloud of 'nastiness' - impliment a down-wind quarintine against the offending country; and the problem will 'fix itself'.

8 posted on 11/28/2011 8:48:35 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: MeganC; shibumi; Grizzled Bear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAvTn3uz5w


9 posted on 11/28/2011 8:48:38 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: PghBaldy

From your related-thread link:

“The paper says American experts are worried detailed information could fall into the wrong hands and that terrorists could recreate the virus as a weapon.

The fears are notable because the work was carried out on behalf of the National Institutes of Health in the US.”


10 posted on 11/28/2011 8:52:51 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Larry Lucido

“This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper.”

[Just make sure you head for Nebraska and avoid Vegas]


11 posted on 11/28/2011 8:55:10 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: PghBaldy

Statism, we know too much about it already.


12 posted on 11/28/2011 8:56:36 AM PST by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: PghBaldy

It’s just a matter of time before it’s released.

Why make a civ killing virus if you don’t intend to use it?


13 posted on 11/28/2011 8:56:37 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Hodar

“Since this research is theoretically banned, I question as to whether this is really going on - and if so, why is it being tolerated? Secondly, any country breaking international treaties....”
~~~~~~~~~~

Seep post 10:

“The fears are notable because the work was carried out on behalf of the National Institutes of Health in the US.”


14 posted on 11/28/2011 8:57:53 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Salamander

Good book. Don’t read it if you have a cold.


15 posted on 11/28/2011 9:00:29 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: chris37

And people laughed at the “tinfoil hat” crowd.

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwopopcontrol.shtml

It’s coming.


16 posted on 11/28/2011 9:02:08 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: PghBaldy

Anthrax isn’t all that scary anyway.


17 posted on 11/28/2011 9:05:33 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Salamander

18 posted on 11/28/2011 9:08:41 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Hodar

“Since this research is theoretically banned,”

we can research naturally occurring viruses all we want. This was research into the structure vs function of H1N1. They found a mod that increases virulence.

They were not explicitly looking at weaponization. Had they been working on aerosolization of francisella, now, that would be biowar research.


19 posted on 11/28/2011 9:12:28 AM PST by DBrow
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To: PghBaldy

The Great Filter theory tries to explain why there is no evidence of extraterrestrials. Advanced civilizations reach a point where wiping themselves out is unavoidable.


“Perhaps the most likely type of existential risks that could constitute a
Great Filter are those that arise from technological discovery.  It is not farfetched to
suppose that there might be some possible technology which is such that (a) virtually all
sufficiently advanced civilizations eventually discover it and (b) its discovery leads
almost universally to existential disaster”

http://www.nickbostrom.com/extraterrestrial.pdf


20 posted on 11/28/2011 9:16:04 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: PghBaldy
Revelation 6:7-8

When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come and see!" I looked and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.


21 posted on 11/28/2011 9:20:53 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: PghBaldy

Gee, are we close to the realization of the statement: “ Except those days be shortened, no flesh will be saved” ?


22 posted on 11/28/2011 9:26:28 AM PST by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: Hodar

According to your link, it is NOT banned. It theoretically has peaceful purposes: studying birdflu and preparing for possible dangerous mutations.


23 posted on 11/28/2011 9:27:33 AM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: PghBaldy

As if we needed any more evidence that the State is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.


24 posted on 11/28/2011 9:30:19 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: PghBaldy

The ultimate in late term abortion and population control.


25 posted on 11/28/2011 9:34:40 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: chris37
Why make a civ killing virus if you don’t intend to use it?

A better question, IMHO, is why you would tell anyone you made it.

You can advance a political agenda by creating fear, and then promising to save people from whatever it is they're afraid of. I can't think of a reason for any sane person to create such a virus, but I can think of reasons they'd claim they had. None of them are good.

26 posted on 11/28/2011 9:40:06 AM PST by tacticalogic
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To: Cicero

Sebellius won’t be too concerned. She stated once that she thought a “depopulating” event would be a good thing.


27 posted on 11/28/2011 9:42:30 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: PghBaldy
Geewhiz...go ahead and release it already...just get it over with finally.
28 posted on 11/28/2011 9:47:52 AM PST by moovova (Report my sarcastic, fear-mongering, hate-filled lies to www.AttackWatch.com by clicking HERE.)
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To: Salamander; MeganC
[M-O-O-N....that spells doom]

Laws, yes. :)

(I'm reading The Stand right now).

29 posted on 11/28/2011 9:48:37 AM PST by proud American in Canada (Go, Herman!)
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To: GraceG

"We are from the government. We are here to help you."
30 posted on 11/28/2011 9:50:28 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: proud American in Canada

That is my favorite Stephen King novel. What really grabs me is that he wrote something that’s very religious if you think about it. He took the Tribulation story and made it into something different and, somehow, scarier.


31 posted on 11/28/2011 10:00:02 AM PST by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Kartographer

""That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human f*c%ery." -Larry Underwood
From the King novel 'The Stand'
32 posted on 11/28/2011 10:04:35 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: PghBaldy; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

News from the What The Hell Were They Thinking department.

Just wait’ll this one gets out of the lab.

PING!


33 posted on 11/28/2011 10:08:41 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: chessplayer

[ The Great Filter theory tries to explain why there is no evidence of extraterrestrials. Advanced civilizations reach a point where wiping themselves out is unavoidable.

“Perhaps the most likely type of existential risks that could constitute a
Great Filter are those that arise from technological discovery. It is not farfetched to
suppose that there might be some possible technology which is such that (a) virtually all
sufficiently advanced civilizations eventually discover it and (b) its discovery leads
almost universally to existential disaster”

http://www.nickbostrom.com/extraterrestrial.pdf ]

Agreed, especially in cases where the ETs create one world governments and their rule is complete. Compartmentalising the species is actually a good idea, it creates a scenario where if one country goes all looney tunes the others have a good chance of surviving it.

This is one of my fundemental arguments against Globalisation. If you have one large planetary state you end up with pandemics running wild, where if you have seprate countries they can effectively quarantinme themselves if they are already somewhat isolated.

Also different countries will have different survival strategies for surviving SHTF events, and a diversity of survival plans is a good thing.

The people who want Global governence are those who don’t care about the eventual survival of the species.


34 posted on 11/28/2011 10:15:30 AM PST by GraceG
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To: chessplayer

Many here on FreeRepublic lampoon or outright ridicule Stephen Hawking’s demand we get off this rock, but he is absolutely 100% correct.

If we don’t, some idiot will end it all on the rock, and there will be none or too small a population of us out in space to continue the race.

I can’t wait until we have long range space travel capability. I will be one of the first coach class ticket purchasers.

It’s just getting too weird around here, in terms of the level of technology vs. the mindset of those controlling it.

Interestingly, I am OK with nuclear weapons, but that’s because they still have limited effects, and the pollution can be worked around. Not so with a virus. You can only hope and pray either that you have natural immunity, and you’re not the only one with that genetic code around, or that we master genetic manipulation quickly under the gun of mass extinction and learn how to add resistance to our own DNA.

Personally speaking, dying of flu cannot be fun. It is already deadly enough as is, with the only reason we don’t die from it now is that we have a decent healthcare system in place if we can’t turn it around on OTC meds. Wait until the hospitals are clogged, die-off will dramatically increase.


35 posted on 11/28/2011 10:16:51 AM PST by Aqua225 (Realist)
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To: MeganC
What really grabs me is that he wrote something that’s very religious if you think about it. He took the Tribulation story and made it into something different and, somehow, scarier.

That is a very interesting point--I'll keep that in mind as I continue. I'd like to rent the mini-series when I finish it--I think Gary Sinise played Stu Redman and I really like Gary Sinise. :)

36 posted on 11/28/2011 10:40:58 AM PST by proud American in Canada (Go, Herman!)
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To: PghBaldy
'Anthrax isn't scary at all compared to this': Man-made flu virus with potential to wipe out...

As though the former Soviet Union (and Iraq) had not been carrying out recombinant DNA experiments on small pox for decades.
37 posted on 11/28/2011 10:46:12 AM PST by aruanan
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To: GraceG

The old cover was the best one.


38 posted on 11/28/2011 11:40:38 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: tacticalogic; shibumi

“You can advance a political agenda by creating fear, and then promising to save people from whatever it is they’re afraid of”

Thesis.
Antithesis.
Synthesis.

Hegel wept.


39 posted on 11/28/2011 11:48:49 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: cripplecreek

40 posted on 11/28/2011 11:51:17 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: proud American in Canada

His last -great- book.

I always wonder if it wasn’t divinely inspired.


41 posted on 11/28/2011 11:52:55 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: PghBaldy

42 posted on 11/28/2011 11:57:51 AM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Kartographer

So...how's your pork?

:)

43 posted on 11/28/2011 11:58:01 AM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: Salamander

Laugh if you will, but I swore I saw the Walking Dude on a stage back on the night of November 4, 2008. It was his eyes gave him away - cold, dead and soulless behind a smile so superficial it could almost evaporate like ether. And I knew, too as his adoring crowd wept and cheered they had no real idea who this man might be, knowing as they did precisely nothing about him but the shimmering image each had concocted for themselves, composed of inchoate hope, release from responsibility, and a secret desire for unearned things.


44 posted on 11/28/2011 11:58:01 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh; shibumi

Me?

*Laugh*?

Look up my old posts from a year before then.

I was on the bleeding edge of that comparison.

Many was the time I referred to him as The Dark Man and it had nothing to do with his skin and my posts about his “dead eyes” got me much grief.

I still stand by those posts...no pun intended.

Frankly, I was waiting for him to move DC to Nevada.


45 posted on 11/28/2011 12:03:32 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: Salamander
I intended the "laugh if you will" only as a means of rhetorical introduction, because I truly meant what followed. The man truly has dead eyes of a kind I have seen that before and it never, ever fails to signal something dark beneath. My wife said the same thing the first time she saw him - and she is less given to exaggeration than anyone I know.

Unlike Randall Flagg, I doubt Obama would gravitate toward Vegas; it's just not his style. Oakland, perhaps...

46 posted on 11/28/2011 12:13:20 PM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

After the initial derision, other FReepers admitted to the same feelings of dread and foreboding.

It ended up that a *lot* of people were getting the same “vibe”.

Can’t imagine that’s a good thing...or unfounded.

He is evil....and that’s not a word I toss around blithely.

Apparently our Dark Man has found enough rabid followers in DC to keep it as a home base.

Given a choice between spending the night trapped with *him* or Charlie Manson, I’d choose the latter, cheerfully.

Seriously.


47 posted on 11/28/2011 12:21:12 PM PST by Salamander (I'm Wounded, Old And Treacherous.)
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To: andy58-in-nh; Salamander; RandallFlag
Laugh if you will, but I swore I saw the Walking Dude on a stage back on the night of November 4, 2008.

There is an easy way to confirm this.

Hey Randall, where were you on November 4, 2008?

48 posted on 11/28/2011 5:03:28 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOs!!!)
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To: andy58-in-nh; Salamander
His name is "Legion"
For he is many.....



.....and no man.


49 posted on 11/28/2011 7:21:29 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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(See tag line above.)


50 posted on 11/28/2011 7:23:24 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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