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RED AIR: A Private Forum
Red Air ^ | November 28, 2011

Posted on 11/28/2011 10:12:39 AM PST by yoe

Every day in Afghanistan there are casualties requiring helicopter evacuation. There is a high probability that as you read this, someone is bleeding and in the process of extraction from the battlefield.

US Army MEDEVAC helicopters fly unarmed into combat emblazoned with Red Crosses on white backgrounds. This signals to the enemy that our people are unarmed. The enemy tries to shoot them down.

The Air Force, Marines and British do not burden their helicopters with Red Crosses and they are armed with machine guns. This facilitates faster, safer evacuations. Army helicopters frequently must orbit landing zones because there is too much ground fire. This happened again less than a week ago. A trooper suffered a double amputation during an ambush. The Army Dustoff had to orbit for about 45 minutes due to ground fire.

Pilots and crew from numerous Dustoff units have recounted to me many such events. It is my belief that Dusftoff Soldiers will confirm to journalists that such long and unnecessary delays are common. Meanwhile, Air Force rescue helicopters have large machine guns and will shoot their way in and get out faster.

The US Army burdens its Dustoff helicopters with Red Crosses due to internal political struggles about who controls the helicopters. This leaves patients bleeding on battlefields.

Many people who are up to speed on the facts know that this tragic situation needs to change. Many of those caring people have already contacted representatives across the country.

We have created a private forum for action-minded people to exchange information and ideas. This forum is not a place to debate whether or not helicopters should go into combat unarmed and bearing Red Crosses. This forum is for those who wish to change the situation.

Many people have contacted me offline. Some are concerned that taking a public stand can damage their careers, or the careers of loved ones. Some of these people are in key military positions. If you share such concerns, please create a fictitious email and use a pseudonym.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: medevac; usmilitary
(The Messenger) may God Bless him!
1 posted on 11/28/2011 10:12:42 AM PST by yoe
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To: yoe

It is YOUR BLOG!


2 posted on 11/28/2011 10:15:43 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee
I've got two young friends who are NEW soldiers and this is real. There's an initiative to try to get the Army to just do what all the other military helo-evac efforts are doing...which is to put miniguns and other weapons on them.

Also... this person is NOT blog pimping. The link is to Michael Yon's site. Most of us know who he is and he does GOOD work.
3 posted on 11/28/2011 10:28:43 AM PST by hiredhand
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To: hiredhand

No accusations of blogpimping from me.


4 posted on 11/28/2011 10:42:26 AM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: humblegunner

If you did blog pimp, I’d probably subscribe though! :-)


5 posted on 11/28/2011 10:43:43 AM PST by hiredhand
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To: yoe

If a medevac with a red cross gets shot at, bulldoze the village where the fire came from. Or bulldoze the nearest village if the fire comes from the bush. Pretty soon, the word gets around. Make the villagers members of THE AFGHAN SECURITY CLUB. Give them all a button and tell them they’re responsible for keeping the Soldiers safe. Hard to plant ieds and shoot at Americans when your family is standing out in the cold.


6 posted on 11/28/2011 10:56:56 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6

We had to destroy the village to save it.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 11:10:30 AM PST by null and void (This is day 1042 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: hiredhand
My nephew is a PJ in AF Guard, gets sent to Afghan for a few months every year. They get shot at too, quite common to have villagers run out shoot at their pavehawks as they fly over; like Spring ducks. He has to volunteer to go back over again this summer and also will be in Africa 2013; they're sure keeping him busy but he really enjoys his chosen career as a proud American. He wouldn't have it any other way and luvs his job.

Back last April, they had a mission to pick up 2 pilots from downed observation chopper, one dead and one alive under fire. Two teams, they got the live pilot out, but nephews team came under fire and their flight engineer & pavehawk was hit and had to exit area, leaving the PJs on the ground with a bunch of Afghans shooting at them. Nephew said he wondered if that was it for him as the Afghans were shooting off RPGs and all kinds of rounds where they crawling under rocks to hide. They were stuck there for 5-6 hrs until AF returned and knocked the crap outta the villagers and got them out. Spooky I do believe. If ya ever been shot at, you know how it is. Couldn't imagine hundreds of rounds at me over 5-6 hours though.

Mission was written up in AF Times, check it out.

http://www.bagram.afcent.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123254042

8 posted on 11/28/2011 11:14:34 AM PST by Eska
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To: Eska
AF PJ eh? Wow... tough guy! Tell him I said THANKS the next time you get the chance. I used to work a (USAF) joint service job supporting SF troops.... never any PJs though.

I'm with you... I've been shot at once or twice... but NOT like having LOTS of people all doing it! Then again, they ARE called PJs and the "para" means "partial"... which usually means they're only interested in saving a few and everybody else who tries to stop them is going to receive from other aspects of their training. :-)

5 to 6 hours is a long, LONG time to wait... high pucker factor I'll betcha! :-) I'm glad there was a happy ending to that scene! :-)...at least for your nephew.
9 posted on 11/28/2011 11:26:00 AM PST by hiredhand
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To: null and void

Don’t care about the village or the villagers. To save American lives. Fight to win, or get out.


10 posted on 11/28/2011 11:26:11 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Eska
That's a helluva shootout your nephew went through! I just read it. :-) He's a HERO.
11 posted on 11/28/2011 11:41:57 AM PST by hiredhand
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To: hiredhand
Read the article, no joke, true story. Nephew tells me the Afghans ain't scared of Americans, they all be ready & willing to die for God; but most are young kids & adults. He said they are terrified of our air power but it's use is quite restricted and we pay dearly for it. People think they go in and level villages, just ain't in the cards; we ain't Russkies.

Nephew came up and shot a moose at my place this fall, good kid; strong as an ox; patriotic American. My son spent Thanksgiving with him and got the tour of his unit, pavehawks, and everything; then went ski-ing with some of the other pjs, my son was impressed.

Ya know, usually the PJs are only in country 2-4 months but they are flying constantly. Highly trained, no joke. He is being sent to schools all the time when stateside. Here in Alaska, they have a big mission rescuing people, hard landings, bear maulings, lost wannabe explorers, just everything the state police aren't prepared to execute; they are quite busy here too.

12 posted on 11/28/2011 11:43:48 AM PST by Eska
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To: Eska

My litle brother is a retired USAF PJ..... 26 years.

Tell that new PJ to stay safe for me.


13 posted on 11/28/2011 3:47:11 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: blueunicorn6
If a medevac with a red cross gets shot at, bulldoze the village where the fire came from. Or bulldoze the nearest village if the fire comes from the bush. Pretty soon, the word gets around. Make the villagers members of THE AFGHAN SECURITY CLUB. Give them all a button and tell them they’re responsible for keeping the Soldiers safe. Hard to plant ieds and shoot at Americans when your family is standing out in the cold.

Or just drop the red crosses and up the armaments and leave the folks on the ground wondering if they are tangling with a medevac or a gunship.
14 posted on 11/28/2011 3:54:39 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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