Skip to comments.Top Marine: Fears of ending gay ban prove founded
Posted on 11/28/2011 12:51:45 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
MANAMA, Bahrain (AP) Marine Gen. James F. Amos, the face of opposition in the military to lifting the ban on gays serving openly, now acknowledges his concern has proven unfounded that repeal would undermine the war effort. In fact, he says, Marines have embraced the change.
In an Associated Press interview, Amos called the repeal in September "a non-event."
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AP messed up their own title LOL
How did he get to be “Top Marine”?
Embraced my ass. He is kissing butt for political reasons and certainly not listening to his NCO’s.
You beat me!
by being a “bottom”?
That’s bullshiite, not in the Corps I knew.
He’s wrong, of course. I recall there was at least one Navy bigwig who lost his position because of a “homophobic” comedy clip he had been showing to his men for years. Letting the gays “come out” has basically brought the political correctness in. They’re going to use it to slowly remove everything that has strength or machismo in military culture or policy.
This will be controversial here, but I am quite confidant that homosexuality is more a psychological disorder than alleged “genetics”. There have been no legitimate studies that have shown a connection between genetics and homosexual behavior. However, there IS a known connection between homosexuality and depression (even in more “tolerant” societies) and narcissistic disorder. This isn’t PC, but it isn’t wise to introduce such people into a military where you get your feelings hurt everyday by your commanding officer. It’s just asking for abuse by political correctness. Not to mention other issues that will come about with it.
I’ve known many Top’s, none of which were Generals!
Watch your 6 !!!
I don’t think enough time has passed for gays to fully infiltrate the USMC so that you would see the effects. Anyone who is currently deployed must have enlisted long before the effective repeal of DADT.
That’s about the smelliest pile of bull Obama ever printed.
In the future, I wonder where and how patriotic, moral Americans will serve their country when the Armed Forces become too politically-correct, leftist and corrupt for them to serve there?
Looks like some body got to the good General. I don’t know many active duty any longer, but the General’s ‘unfounded concern’ is not what they’re passing on to me.
I know two getting out, in part, over this.
I think it is way, way too soon to decide what the ramifications are. It could be 2-3 years before they notice a gradual change in the nature of the new enlistees. Who is more willing to join up. Who is less willing... 2 months isn’t going to tell them anything.
The first noun to follow the word ‘Military’ is ‘DISCIPLINE’
Sexual activity is by its nature ‘undisciplined’ and homoerotic sex is a bridge too far.
This is most definitively the destruction of the US military. Planned and executed forthwith.
Too early to say. Give it a little more time and see what people think.
(Of course... what they say and what they think are not necessarily the same thing...)
I wonder how recruiting is coming along? I know of several military families who are have served for generations, but are strongly discouraging their children from doing the same because of the repeal. Of course that may have been the democrats plan all along, push conservatives out of the military and make it more left wing. As things stand right now, if push came to shove, the democrats know what side the military would come down on, and it wouldn’t be theirs...
It is if it affects the people in now and the quality of people willing to join up. Publicly you won’t hear most of them saying anything because they try to refrain from commenting on policy but privately they aren’t real thrilled about it. And why should they have to wait 2 to 3 years to see if a liberal social experiment works? Troop moral (and quality) should trump this kind of crap. Perhaps “ramifications” isn’t the right word to use in any case.
There’s probably a reason why he’s schmoozing in DC and giving quotes to newspaper articles, instead of serving out in the field.
His family is faith based but not particularly "organized religion" based.
Both his sons (my nephews) were strongly considering joining the military; in fact, the older one had passed all of the required testing.
At this point in time, both of them have now decided to go on to civilian tech school instead.
While the younger one has not spoken with me, the older boy asserts he is very uncomfortable with the new gay policy and will not enter a military service that supports it.
Scratch two for the military.
Should the title say UNFOUNDED instead of FOUNDED?
Title says “Top Marine: Fears of ending gay ban prove founded” but body of text says fears have proven “unfounded.” Title is in error at the source.
Would yoou expect any other politically-correct response from an inhabitant of Mahogeny Row?
A General getting political ? Say it ain’t so... /SARC
so the marines are now a bunch of butt lovers? who knew
is that why they’re always hanging around sailors?
(obviously sarcastic but the meme should be pushed so marines will be revolted by anything evenly remotely close to this)
Does the UCMJ still have “conduct unbecoming” and penalties for adultery? I am sure that some “barracks lawyer” will challenge the UCMJ as “offensive”.
Where will that leave us?
I also differentiate "homosexuality" with "homosexual behavior". Who you're attracted to is uncontrollable (I think) and goes back to my original premise. Who you have sex with is nothing more than behavior that can be controlled. For instance - married people who are faithful to their partners, do it every day.
It's a distinction, IMHO, that's completely lost on gays. They confuse the underlying premise, with the act itself.
Not that my opinion matters all that much, the whole thing has been so politicized that we'll never know the underlying causes.
I suspect he was told to say that by higher HQ in order
to remain on active duty.
Here we go. Knew this was coming.
Here we go. Knew this was coming.
Those career officers would support folks like Jerry Sandusky signing up for the Marines.
The Ides are come, but not gone.
If you think this story was bad wait until the Marine Corp Gay Pride Day.
I'm glad you said that, I'm still scratching my head and wondering what I read.......
Indeed. RIP, USMC. You were once something an American could be proud of. I’m sure there are still individual servicemen who hate this policy and who are worthy of our respect. But as a collective whole, I have no pride in what our military has become.
I wonder how recruiting is coming along? I know of several military families who are have served for generations, but are strongly discouraging their children from doing the same because of the repeal
Right here.... 7 uncles, my father and my mos 0326, discouraged my son from serving these tools. If he wants to join after college , it’s on him. But he’s not doing PLC/ROTC or service academies, till he reads more and works on his own. He just finished some Hayek for AP economics and mentioned that our country is “turning into 1984” type of place. I think he’s getting the big picture.
Bingo... we have a winner. This is what will tip the scales...sadly, not in our direction.
However, our “pitchfork wielding” forefathers beat the world’s super power to win our freedom!
I guess that is why so many service members objected when the Usurper was installed as commander-in-chief. Don't look to the military to protect and defend the Constitution. They either don't know or don't care.
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Notice Logic'n'Reason's comment; I've read many similar ones on and off of FR. People with moral compasses are repelled by homosexuals in close quarters in the military. This Gen. Amos is either lying or part of the problem. The most sickening to me is not that Democrats/leftists want to shove the mentally ill perverted homo agenda on everyone, and espeically the military since they hate the military, but the fact that no Republicans have any guts. That's what is especially sickening. Why does less than 2% of the population - a tiny group of mentally ill perverts - control everyone else? I don't get it.
“But hes not doing PLC/ROTC or service academies, till he reads more and works on his own. He just finished some Hayek for AP economics and mentioned that our country is turning into 1984 type of place. I think hes getting the big picture.”
Good for him. If I was a father, I would never encourage my son to go into the military of today. IMHO, I think the libs pushed this repeal through hoping it would reduce recruitment. Then, they can use it as an excuse to reinstate the draft
Don’t worry when the South FINALLY gets the cajones to secede again, the New Confederate Army will not be homosexualized.
“Marines have embraced the change”
Nothing to see here, move along folks.
No one's holding their breath for that one.
Except in the homosexual hive mind, there’s no concept of marital (or even “partner”) faithfulness, not in any sane sense of the word. Monogamy is the exception, not the rule.